Paul McKenna would be so proud of us on THREAD 9...No Pain, NO PAIN!! The Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends.

[Solo]

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

Hello everyone, I hope you dont mind me popping in to your thread for some advice. I was drawn in by your thread title. I would love to give up dieting and go for conscious eating instead - it feels right. But could you tell me the basics of how the PMK thing works before I spend any money ? Does one read his book and then listen to a daily CD ?

And final question: can I download the PMK App on my iphone - will this work just as well as getting the book ?

Thanks arfur, am a bit less cross at myself now. I just couldn't believe it, it was like having an out of body experience watching myself running to the cupboard and shoving the stuff in my mouth at 100 miles an hour! Am gong to do a little workout now that I'm feeling slightly less nauseous and put it down to experience .

rosylee a decent cup of coffee goes a long way with a sugar if i'm desperate! Our waistbands will be loosening soonish I'm sure .

Ineedajob I bought the latest edition of the book and read it cover to cover. Plus I listen to the CD pretty much every night in bed. There are 4 golden rules which are written in the OP box thing at the top of this page. They sound very simple, but like anything it takes a while to get used to. It took me a few days to understand that 'Eat when you're hungry' does NOT mean 'Eat whenever you fancy it' for instance . It does seem to work though, I've lost 5lbs in 10 days and although I've had a random little blip this evening I feel pretty good on the plan. I've certainly never felt like I am denying myself anything. Good luck with it, there are lots of lovely supportive ladies on here which definitely helps .

I'm having a late night craving, but instead of rushing to bed to beat it, I'm taking your advice rosylee and am having a cup of sweet tea.
Hard one tonight as I ate my tea watching tv, long work tomorrow, I think!
I hope your all having a lovely weekend!
Xx

Hi Ineedajob :) welcome to our thread; this is a great place to be!
I personally think that you could do worse than getting a copy of the book and disc and listening to the cd daily. I can't comment on the App as I don't have it, but from what thread 8 revealed, I don't think it sounded as good as the book/cd. You can get them for little money on ebay and Amazon too from what I've seen. I also found a 4 disc box set in a charity shop for a fiver last week and I thought I'd lend them around my circle of friends so that they can have a go and see how great it is :) so you might find them too! or ask on Freecycle? but do give it a go! and stay with us on here as we are all just lovely! aren't we ladies?!

LaWobble don't panic! I do similarly daft things too. It's a bit of the old self sabotage and I am particularly good at it! but don't worry, just climb back on board and continue!

Rosy I have lots of admiration for you! you seem sooo well focussed and positive! well done you!!

Well done Em :) I tend to go for hot chocolate as I can't stand sweet tea or coffee or cordials...it's great that you didn't eat for the sake of a sweet flavour :)

Morning ladies

Welcome Ineedajob This is a great group of ladies and you will get lots of support here. I have only been Pauling for 1 week today(yay), and although I have not weighed myself so I can't say that I have lost weight, I can tell you that for the first time in a very loooong time I am not obsessing about what I am going to eat, or that I can't eat this or that. That is very liberating. A large part of this battle is our relationship with food. For me it is about how much I eat and going beyond the point of fullness, just because I like the taste of something (we call this mouth hunger). I know that Paul will work for you. I would recommend getting the book as it just sets it all out very neatly.

LaWobble we all have moments where we revert back. I am sure that I will be due mine. The great thing is that you got straight back to following the rules.

Solo, trust me when I say that I have never been so positive before or even so verbose on the subject. A lot of that has to do with finding you all. I tried to Paul on my own and I just could not do it. But since I discovered you all, it has been so good knowing there are people out there doing the same as me.

I have in the past been very good at getting all over-enthusiastic about the latest craze or diet. If I took up a hobby, I would go all out and buy every little thing related to it. Hence my house is full of scrapbooking materials. Then, my initial enthusiam waned and fizzled out. I am a bit worried that this will happen with PMK, but I am also very hopeful that it won't. Mainly because these rules are not "hard" to follow (in the sense that a diet is, I mean) and I have great support as well. I also find that posting alot helps because I am able to share my thoughts and feelings and keep thinking about positive things to say to others which is also very good for me...

Being refused life cover would normally have sent me into a tailspin and I would have felt like a real failure and then would have gone to eat loads of food, the higher in fat content the better. But, it has not knocked me down. If anything, I am determined to keep going.

Have a great day...Pop in later

Morning everyone

Decent day yesterday, and then went to bed at 9pm so feeling pretty good this morning.

LaWobble - don't beat yourself up about the sweets. These things happen, just try and move on

Welcome Ineed. The basic idea is to learn to eat mindfully, and when you are hungry. And to therefore reduce food intake to match what your body actually needs.

Hi all

I had a McDs yesterday but I did eat it mindfully and enjoyed every bit . Didn't manage to leave any though.
Apart from that, happy with how things are going. I am amazed at how little of my evening meal I now eat. I am giving myself smaller portions but still leaving a significant amount.
Sometimes forget to slow down and listen to my body, but getting the hang of it.

I think everyone on here seem to be FAB and we are doing so well. We will have the odd hiccup, but if we are oing to have a healthy eating plan rather than a crash diet, then that's normal and to be expected.

Ineed - I have the iPhone app and it's seems pretty good, especially if you are attached to your phone by the umbilical cord like I am. It has everything the book has, but in more video and tutorial form. It also has a panic button that I like the sound of, but haven't used yet (only got the app a couple of days ago). It is, however, expensive. I think I could have just to the app and forgone the book.

Good PMKing everyone.

I did rather well today until I got home around 4pm. I made scones, and had 2 with jam and cream! I wasn't hungry, I just really wanted them. I feel a bit bad, but not so much that I will go down a slippery slope.

It just means I won't be hungry for a good long while...

Rosy
We all slip up from time to time, and the thing is, with Pauling, it doesn't matter. You haven't blown your "diet", you'll just feel less hungry and will need less later. I agree with solo, you're doing brilliantly - I also have several stones to lose, so we're in the same boat.

Your "verbosity" reminds me of myself when I first discovered the PMK method (used to have a different user name). It was a complete revelation, and it was very cathartic to write about how screwed up my previous attitude to food had been.

Everyone's doing so well!

Thank you all for the welcome and information - what a lovely atmosphere there is on this thread.

I'm not in the UK so getting the PMK book might be difficult. But I am getting a new iphone soon and so, encouraged by tokengirl I'll give the app a go even if it is pricey.

I am a horrible 15 kg's over my normal body weight. Feel very down and stuck about it. But I do feel that if I could just do some of the things discussed on here, namely eat when I am hungry (I honestly cant remember the last time I experienced hunger and trust my own body then I could, just maybe, start the long trek downwards.

I'll lurk with interest and hope till I get the PMK app and I can join you all in earnest. In the meantime thank you for the inspiration, and very best of luck with each of your battles.

Thanks all for your support . tokengirl I had a macds too yesterday, small fries, latte and a chocolate muffin!!!!Butdid enjoy every mouthful too and gave the last miniscule piece to the kids, so kept it in the PMK spirit .

ineedajob I'm like you, when I was reading the book about the hunger scale, there is an exercise about remembering the last time you were hungry. I genuinely could not think of one example .

Morning ladies

After a wobbly day yesterday, I am looking forward to being focused today.

I am still finding it hard to stop eating when I have food left over on my plate, not because I belong to the clean plate club, but usually because of the mouth hunger :( although I am eating less than I would have pre-Paul. I no longer say that I am eating less "than I normally would" because as far as I am concerned how I eat now is normal for me (positive thinking) and that referring to the pre-paul era as "normal" would make it seem "right". Does that make sense to anyone? I have decided to dish myself a little food at a time. I can always have more if I am still hungry.

Can I just check - how many of you are exercising or being active? This is my downfall. I should really make use of the Wii Fit, but I am so bone idle.

Hope you all have a lovely day.

HELLO EVERYONE!!!!! Happy St. George's day just popping in to say I haven't abandoned me ol' muckers completely!! A HUGE welcome to the new thread and newbies it sounds very positive on here ATM (i haven't managed to read much of this thread or finish the last one sorry.

Rosylee Iam actually maintaining my almost 3 stone loss (Iam a sainsburys size 10 jean which i really didn't think I'd EVER be again) The exercising does help the weight go and stay off; I don't do it in a 'go to the gym twice a week' way I do acupressure stretches and exes every day (i've got a brill. muffin top buster one!! tell me if you want me to reiterate it; it's on the earlier threads somewhere though!) I also dance to the radio before breakfast but not every day and walk a lot instead of drive everywhere and am up and down the stairs a lot etc.

Hope all you's are well!

Hi all

I had KFC for lunch today. I did eat consciously and I definitely ate less than I have before. I managed 2 pieces of chicken with a few chips. It was hard not to eat more just for the taste, but I managed it.

I do feel as if I have committed a terrible sin by eating KFC as this is not "healthy food". I know according to Paul it is fine, it just feels like I have been bad although I know that I have not.

Does this make sense to anyone?

rosy don't be down about it taking time to adjust to the new system. I think dishing up smaller portions to start with is sensible. Have you started using smaller plates / bowls?

Don't feel bad about the KFC, the whole point is to eat what you want and to eat it consciously. I had similar issues the other day when I wanted a McDonalds chocolate muffin, but if you decide not to eat it and go for a healthier option, you are back to that dieting mentality of denying yourself, which then sets you on the path to failure (IMHO). The 'a little of what you fancy does you good' thing is true, and you ate a small KFC portion and you ate it mindfully so sounds like you did well to me .

Re the exercise, I am doing a dvd at least 3 times a week, and trying to be generally more active, e.g. today at ASDA instead of using the escalator I ran up the stairs as fast as I could (not very!). How about doing a DVD at home? It's very non-threatening and you can choose one that starts off low impact and at a slow pace. Exercise really has a knock on effect in terms of your emotional state and of course has a big impact on weight loss and metabolism boosting.

ppeat I would love to hear any muffin top blasting exercises please, I am very generously blessed in that area

PS well done ppeat on your fab weight loss and maintaining it, I can't even imagine fitting a size 10 trousers!

Thanks for the encouragement LaWobble. I know it will take time to get used to a new way of thinking. I will say that the waistband on my skirt felt just a tiny bit looser when I put it on this morning. So that is a positive sign.

ppeat well done on your weight loss. Was that done just through Pauling? I don't think I have ever been a size 10, even as a teen. I seemed to have gone from a skinny kid to an overweight teen. And it's been down hill since.

I don't expect to be a size 10, although it would be nice just to see what it feels like :o

I know that I have a long journey ahead of me. But as I long as I just keep going it will come off. Slow and steady wins the race.

Hope you all had a good day.

Hi all,

Yes, yes to everyone who has said about the great support on here. Makes be all warm and fuzzy :)

I'm doing ok with only eating when I'm hungry (so much less snacking) and I'm eating less at each meal but I'm definitely struggling with the eating slowly and consciously thing. Tomorrow is another day and another chance to try it so ho hum!

Time to listen to Mr McK and then sleep.

Hello everyone

Tough day today, fell off a cliff of tiredness and exasperation with the DSs this afternoon. Three scones later I stopped myself
Pulled it back this evening though, ate dinner very slowly and had a small portion, and then I haven't wanted to snack.

It is so lovely and motivating to read everyone's thoughts Someone said a few posts back about the weightloss being something to achieve alongside sorting out your relationship with food. I can definitely relate to that, Pauling has been amazing for me on that front.

Just dropping in quickly. I ate 3 bars of chocolate today (not huge ones) and I'm blinking annoyed at myself...going through some pretty rubbish emotional stuff right now.

I don't exercise as I end up even more ill if I push too hard, though I really want to get walking some. I saw the gp today and the only answer he can give me is do some regular exercise!! that hasn't helped my emotional state I can tell you! if only it was that easy :( bloody hell! I used to do 6 hours a week in the gym; doesn't he think that if I could, I really would?!!!

Ah Solo, I am sorry you had a bad day. GP's are great at stating the obvious, without actually thinking about how difficult that can be to do. I actually came on board quite late so not sure if you injured yourself? Remember that Paul said is exercise is anything that gets the heart rate up. So that could be dancing, cleaning the house, anything.

Well done Ali for managing to pull back from the scones! That's the great thing with Paul. You just pick up and carry on, which you have done very well.

I am struggling with the idea of exercise. I have promised to walk once per week, but have not done so yet. Being as big as I am just makes aerobic type of exercises difficult. For me it is just laziness. I was awake at 5:30am, and for 30 seconds thought about going for a walk, but decided to listen to Paul in bed until 6am, which is my usual waking up time.

I have an appointment at the obsesity clinic this morning. The last time I went, he doctor suggested I return to SW as that is where I lost 3 stone - never mind that I gained it all back and more. I wasn't impressed with that advice. I have never disputed that SW works, just that it is not sustainable in RL. In fact, every diet works, until you stop it, that is. That's why Paul's methods are so important. Because there is no plan to fall off or stop. The rules he teaches, with time, should become second nature. I really hope it sinks into my subconscious. Because it is great to not have to think about what food I can and cannot eat. In the past with SW, I used to mess up through lack of planning. Maybe not making a packed lunch or thinking about preparing meals beforehand etc. You know the various suggestions they offer which I am referring to. The great thing with Paul is that even if I forget to make something for lunch if I am going to be on the road, or was coming home very late from work and too tired to cook, I can eat whatever the hell I find handy, as long as I eat it slowly and thoughtfully. Now I just don't think anything is better than the freedom that comes with Paul's programme.

Hope we all have a great day!

Morning all!! yep you are up early Rosy instead of just lying in bed I do my stretches IN bed!!! I've got an amazing (though a bit weird) book on acupressure and I keep toned with that; here is the FAB. MUFFIN TOP BUSTER EXERCISE'- (I saw it on T.V. it's not an acupressure one)

1. Lie flat on a firm surface ( a solid mattress is fine)

1. keeping arms by yr. side (you can raise them above yr. head if you want to make more difficult). You raise top part of body( MOST IMPORTANTLY THE HEAD MUST BE KEPT IN LINE WITH THE SPINE NOT POKING FORWARD!!) gently and slowly for 5 counts then hold for 5 or however long you feel comfortable (THIS IS NOT A BURN BABY BURN EXERCISE!!!)

1. Repeat 3 times in morning and at night BTW it also helps you sleep .

Sorry I didn't answer yr question Rosy I lost the weight (which had crept on over the years of very healthy eating on the blood type way of eating) basically on P.M. as well as still eating healthily (because it's totally 2nd nature to me) and doing the exes. I posted above. Oh I nearly forgot I do the Hay way of eating which is not mixing carbs and protein at the same meal; that's good for the digestion.

Ref. eating KFC I find when you eat really slowly (one of the ways that really worked for me was to count to 15 or 20 chews with each bite) you CAN'T actually enjoy such greasy salty stuff (let alone the thought of those poor battery bred chucks ) and the enormous profits made by the FFI . Apologies for the rant

Hiya,

i am reading this thread with interest. I have been hearing a lot about intuitive eating and would like to try this. basically I am sick of diets that I don't stick to.

I don't have a huge amount to lose but definate muffin top ( all my weight goes to my stomach). I definately overeat, big portions and sometimes go on some binges, like last night where I planned to eat a whole packet of biscuits and I did! So really I don't know what it is to feel hungry or to stop when full.

So is this the right 'non-diet' for me. I also downloaded a kindle book - 'Normal eating'. It is interesting - but the process takes a long long time, (it's along the lines of intuitive eating). And I really don't want to put a load of weight on.

I've been reaidng about eating consiously an slowly. Now I can immediately see 2 drawbacks to that; I have a 5 year old and toddler. In the morning before school run it's mayhem and I eat standing up in kitchen, in between doing a million other things. You get the picture. The same for lunch, trying to get lunch together with a toddler hanging on my legs. Gulping it down quickly. How does one eat slowly in these circumstances.

However, I do feel a bit desperate. i am so sick of the whole binge/diet cycle. it gets me down.