Paul McKenna would be so proud of us on THREAD 9...No Pain, NO PAIN!! The Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends.

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

When I was doing my psychology MSc, I did a course on brain and behaviour which looked at the effects of aging on the brain. There was some discussion on how to make lessen the impact of ageing and increasing life expectancy and I suppose ultimately preserving the brain and the body. The way to do it, I am sad to say is to only consume a maximum of 1200 calories a day. There are people who have managed it who are very fit and healthy well into their later years and their life expectancy has increased as well. This was borne out by lab rats who were fed a severely restricted diet but had much longer and healthier life (although would you want to live that long if you couldn't eat but that is another matter).

Funnily enough not long after that the Alternate Day Diet featured in a couple of magazine articles which had its basis in that research but was modified to allow for the fact that most people, in the modern Western society, simply can't reduce their calorie intake that much forever so instead, the diet allowed for one day of very harsh restrictions on calories (down to 500 a day) and then you could eat what you wanted the next day. The reasoning was that over the course of 2 days you would average about 1200-1500 calories and you would lose weight. It was actually very easy because you were never more than 24 hours from eating what you wanted.

I tried it for 5 months and lost 2 stone but after the inital stage which is very severe you are allowed to ease up a bit and also to allow yourself to eat on what should be a low cal day if, for example, you were going out to dinner or it was a special occasion. My failing was that I started to mess about with the days and then ended up not having any down days and ultimately the weight loss ground to a halt.

Anyway, the sad thing is that there is sound physiological and genetic reasons for restricting calorie intake but Faith is right, it is too hard for most of us to keep it up. We should be able to do it but we can't. I don't know the reasons for that - the society we live in where food is so readily available perhaps? Or is it more than that?

Am lurking here.

Going to bed now and will listen to the CD before I fall asleep.

I am slowly learning to pause before reaching for food/junk and amd trying hard to listen to when I'm satisfied/full.

Will continue to lurk again untill I feel I am making any headway. Thanks ladies for your inspiration.

Keep going bumbums!

Lack of cd/DVD player stopped me tonight. That and I can't remember where the cd is I've got it on DSIs's computer do I'll download it to my iPhone this weekend - seemed to work well and we have a docking station I could use.

Ooh get you with your MSc! yes I think you've summarised it well. I think in our culture its not just availability of food but his it's presented - bogof offers enticing us to buy what we didn't want, adverts telling us we must have certain things, selling us crap in the guise of it bring healthy! The media make us feel ashamed for not being 'healthy' but portray women who are seriously underweight - surely that's just as unhealthy?! - whist also sending us subliminal messages encouraging bad habits and overindulgence!

Hi All

I have been listening to the cd, quite a few times now, yet still my over-ride is winning at the moment. I do feel though that something is getting through and perhaps my chocolate binge was a bit of a death thro. Certainly hope so.

I know I have a lot of work to do, to overcome that feeling of knowing when you are full and not having to finish everything anyway. All I can do is keep going and try a bit harder each day.

Getting back to bloating for a minute, I was having a lot of problems, with digestions problems and bowel probs too. I was doing slimming world and eating their hi-fi bars was blowing up like a balloon. It was painful. One day I had such a bad reaction to porridge oats that I thought I would die, they were stuck in my gullet and the acid was so bad.

Anyway soon after that it clicked with me that I may have a problem with wheat. Oats are not supposed to contain wheat but they can be contaminated sometimes.

My doc tested for celiac which came back negative. Anyway I switched to gluten free, just the bread, pasta and oats and I have felt a million times better. More clear headed and less fatiqued. I don't bother with any of the biscuits, cake substitutes etc as I am trying to avoid them anyway, but I definitely recommend just trying it if you get that bloating after certain foods.

My acid problem has also improved a lot.

Me too flumble. Taking regular buscopan had helped my reflux. Oats contain gluten so it depends whether you're wheat intolerant or gluten intolerant as to whether you can eat them. I can have a small amount of oats but don't overindulge.
Try not to over think it. Just keep plodding on with it and it will start to feel more natural.

Morning!

Faith - Sorry I didn't mean to sound like I was bragging. I have mentioned my MSc before because I went to my graduation last year and was talking dresses for a bit but this time I mentioned it because I was just trying to show that really low cal diets can be very healthy (you have to make sure every calorie counts so your diet is balanced of course) and to show that it isn't necessarily bad or a fad diet if done properly. The people who live that way aren't trying to lose weight though - they are, of course, already very slim and very healthy.

At the same time very few people can manage that, as you said.

I also think that by Pauling we must be reducing our calorie intake or else we wouldn't be losing but we don't follow any spurious rules, just common sense. It is entirely possible that some days we don't eat more than 1500 cals because we aren't that hungry but we'll never know because we aren't hung up on that sort of thing.

But don't you just love Pauling for taking all that 'can I eat this'? and 'how many calories'? worry away!!!

Well it's got busy on here hasn't it? Morning All BBB But we DO get hungry don't we? And we know because of P.M. that it's a biological and completely natural thing so eating every other day wouldn't work because we'd be SOOOO hungry that we'd go into starvation mode. I wonder if when P.M. is going along properly (which it isn't with me ATM) how many cals. we consume? Not that many i reckon.

Bumbums you're very welcome on here whether or not it's going well you know that don't you?

Allof I was going to say you may well be intolerant to gluten which from the sound of it you are; well done for finding out!!

Ah I didn't think you were bragging! Fwiw I have a PG Dip but never did my dissertation.

Yes I'm sure I'm eating less but not starving any more. Monday I bought a 3 pack of Magnums and still have one in the freezer! I wanted one last night but I was too full.

Havealittle there are soo many mixed messages aren't there? I can't STAND those skinny women models (can you imagine what the equivalent MALE Model would look like???!!!! That's why i don't like the title 'I can Make you Thin'!
As i said I lost my weight on The Blood Type and would be happy to help; we had a thread on it and the other Mumsnetter who's on it is a scientist called Thumbwitch she had stomach problems that are completely better on it.

BBB - how was the dentist? We don't actually have one atm, which is bad and I must sort it out

I've been tracking my food recently - not because I'm bothered remotely about calories, but to see what I am eating. As I suspected far too much sugar, but keeping a log is really helping me make some good changes.
Interestingly I've found that with Pauling, I eat somewhere between 1500-1800 per day.

I think when you start to quantify the calories that is when it starts getting difficult and you get hung up on food, much like the 'normal' sort of diets. You do get kind of obsessed about the numbers rather than just eating what you need to eat.

ppeat - I think it takes a certain type of anal person to be so focussed on their food and calorie intake and live the ultra low cal lifestyle, especially if they are doing it to live longer as there are so many other things that can kill you apart from your food. What a bummer it would be to live this super healthy lifestyle and then get run over by a bus at the age of 60.

Ali - it is interesting you reckon you only eat 1500-1800 cals. I reckon if somebody said that was your limit you wouldn't last long trying to maintain it but because it is done naturally it becomes doable.

The dentist was OK but I'll PM you so I don't have to use code and out us both!

Hello everyone.

I have done rubbish.

Lost 3lbs. All gone back on at the end of AF.

Just had lasagne for lunch then pringles even though I wasn't hungry after the pasta and knew I was emotionally eating. Had to fast for 12 hours for bloods so had a banana at half ten, cereal at 11.15 then crisps a bit ago then lasagne and more crisps just now.

I was so fed up this morning at having to get an 18 in a new top. Big boobs are not great all the time.

I just don't see how I can sort my eating issues .

justfab C'mon now we ALL go through the same just start again tomorrow and you'll be fine maybe listen to the CD and or read the book?

BBB IKWYM but I'd prefer to spend my time before having an unavoidable accident (I'm 61 now )being able to walk|run and dance without pain, not sitting on the loo all the time and not covered in eczema. Even if it seems obsessive to only eat certain foods, I don't give a shxx about calories BTW.

Nothing I do gets any weight off other than a few pounds in the first week. After that it just grinds to a halt. I am so tired at the moment, I really want to sleep.

No I know you don't ppeat. I didn't mean you!

I mean the people in the studies and I have never got the impression that you have gone for the ultra low cal approach at all (with or without the calorie counting). You don't eat stuff that makes you feel ill. That seems very sensible but the kind of people I am talking about are frankly too new age and hippy dippy for my taste. You would have to be completely wrapped up in your own body to the exclusion of many other things and that strikes me as very self centre and not in a good way! I suppose though, that that is part of my problem - I don't care enough about food to make that sort of extreme life choice! Food isn't that important to me really. I eat something if it tastes nice but I don't really think about it at all outside the actual experience of eating iyswim.

Fab - good to see you. I was just thinking that we hadn't heard from you fro a while. What ppeat says is right. Pick yourself up, forget about what has passed and start again.

BBB - I took a break for a while and am just having minimal involvement now with MN as I need to sort myself out in all ways.

Yes sorryBBB I've been criticised for being on the Blood Type in RL and on here so i guess i'm a bit defensive! IKWYM though, how about this; our ex DIL talks about being a "breatharian" you can't get lower cal than that how effing mad can you get? She isn't one, just talks about it and influences our darling little GD.

What the hell is a 'breatharian'??

Fab - I suspect that your metabolism is totally up the creek from your continuing attempts to lose weight. I really sympathise, because I think mine was before I had the boys but pregnancy has kind of 'reset' it, and I was fortunate to 'find' Pauling before I got back into awful habits after having DS2.
Try googling 'eat more to lose weight' and have a read of some of the info. There is a good thread on here which ShirelyKnot started which has a lot of links in it.
It isn't a short term fix, you may gain weight to start with, but you have to fuel your body properly so that it can perform properly.

Thank you, Ali, I will do that later as I need to get organised to pick up the kids now.

Did you find it Ali ? for those who are unenlightened Breatharianism is NOT EATING AT ALL !!!!! say this in a hippy dippy voice "It's like y'know the flowers and trees get all they need from the sun y'know" .

They forget the trees and flowers have roots FFS!!!

Hi all! there are lot of nutters out there pp aren't there ? I think I might blame this poo weather for some of us being a bit meh with the Pauling at the moment (I'm not blaming us at all) I'm not doing dreadfully just not brilliantly either still doing the running which is good and must be why I'm just sitting at roughly the same weight even when the eating isn't so good.
justfab keep yer chin up honey! Remover this WOE isn't about being perfect all the time and being a failure if you aren't. Just do what you can and be kind to yourself

Yer not wrong arfur shame she just happens to be a nutter that we have to humour!
My P.M.ing sounds like yours actually;you're lucky that the running is going well.DH still has his bad back so we don't walk far when we' re out and the rain is putting me off going out on my own for a power walk or whatever!

ppeat you've just made me cackle! Yes we are rather lacking in roots!

Yes I don't think the bad weather helps. It's been nice here this afternoon. DH has the car - he's gone away for a long weekend - so I walked half way home and then got my Dad to pick me up - about 30 minutes walking. I'm pleased I got some exercise and vitamin D!

Hello all, Where does come into the P McK way of living?