Paul McKenna would be so proud of us on THREAD 9...No Pain, NO PAIN!! The Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends.

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

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Got a mahoosive bag on the kitchen table. 100g for recipe, 75g left.

fab well done for eating it slowly, and not feeling too guilty, I hope.

The worst thing, ime, is finding 'oneself' staring down at the crumpled boost wrapper thinking 'shit, I've eaten it, and can't really remember'. And then eating the second one that was being kept for 'later'. And third

I was starving. Had a rich tea biscuit. Later DH made tea, crackers with smoked salmon, prawns and brie. I had half and was full so stopped. DH then appeared with vienetta. That was left on the side too for a while until I felt ready for it. Am I doing it right?

Nah, you just had half a weeks worth of chocolate in one go to save time!

Ah, I see, never considered eating in a panic as a sort of efficiency saving

Glad to help .

Had a really bad day yesterday, eating all that I could see and not even being hungry. Not really sure why :( The only thing I can think is that I ate cereal for breakfast yesterday and was so hungry by 11. Normally I have a protein rich breakfast which keeps me quite full until lunch time. It was all down hill from there as I just never stopped eating. I have come to the conclusion that I need to have protein for breakfast. Don't know if this contributed to my melt down, as I had no strong emotions yesterday... Can't think what else I did differently. Maybe my subconscious is sabotaging me? I usually don't stick to things for long and I am entering my 4th week with PMK? Any thoughts? Did better today but had a few mini cakes at a friends.

It's a new day. Forget about it and stop beating yourself up. Having a bad day has done you a favour as now you know what you need in the mornings.

Morning all.

This morning was a first. Dd is nearly at the end of her 4 years in college. When she first left primary school, 4 years ago, she asked us if it would be ok for her to get up and go out on her own - the bus stop for the school bus is about 100m away. We said yes. For most of the last 4 years, dh has taken her to school on Mondays. Today, she got up on her own. She's blonde. He'd got up, too, and had to drive her there as she might have missed the bus. It's a start

Was really funny last night. Just settling down with the cd, and suddenly my eyes opened and I remembered a pan with sugar and milk I'd put in the simmering oven 6 hours before. Bloody Agas, you can't smell anything once it's in an oven. Got up, belted into kitchen, and took boiling hot pan out and put it down on the kitchen table. It would have caught in another 30 mins. Remembered to put a lid on it so that it wasn't the first thing that dd saw in the kitchen this morning. Went back and re-started the cd - without tasting........................,..........................................

.......all the more for today

Morning all! HOORAY fab !!!!! I 'm off to Devon tomorrow and I'm pleased you can be relied on to do the encouraging now !! .I'm babysiting my GD in Totnes anyone from down that way? It would be nice to do have a RL meeting! The prob. being she may not have BB (they've just moved) and I'm on P.T. I can collect my emails though (the security on my compooter doesn't allow me to use ANY other one ) it tells me afterwards someone was trying to 'break into' mine and it was me!!!

Rosy If your cereal breakfast was highly sweetened and made from wheat it was probably difficult to stop eating afterwards 'cos there is the addictiveness of those ingredients to be thought of. (the one fault in P.M. IMO) google the book "Wheat Belly" by William Davis M.D. it's frightening actually . But as fab said onwards and upwards; it's brilliant that you're still with it and us !!!

Hope you have a nice time in Devon ppeat - it's in the wrong direction for me, you'd need to go south.

Hi everyone, I just wanted to say I'm going to have to Defect To Diet Land. (I expect I'll be back here soon enough with my tail between my legs). I was doing great at first but I think it just gives me too much freedom and I need a structured eating plan. I think this is a fantastic method for those who find it works, it just isn't working for me at the mo. Doc is pressuring me to lose weight so I'm going to try a miserable,depriving healthy diet and see if I can shed a few pounds.
Like I said, I have a feeling I'll be back here because dieting has never worked for me in the past but I feel I need to give it just one more try.

Rosy you and I started around the same time, and I think you're doing brilliantly well. I agree about the cereal wheat and sugar (or even if it was a sugar free one) are horribly addicting for some of us and cause hunger. As soon as I eat wheat anything I'm starving again with an hour or two.

Good luck to everyone!

Malory Don't worry. I went to see a (French) dietician about 3 years ago. Am now about 15kg heavier than when I went. The main problem was that I just couldn't eat the amount she was suggesting - and we had some rather awful problems with dd at the time.

Basically her balanced eating plan was:

Breakfast - Bread, dairy serving, a small portion of butter - think individual portion size, fruit

Lunch - crudités('tis France after all, the land of carotte rapée)/veg soup, meat/fish, veg, bread/potato/rice/pasta/feculent, salad, cheese or other dairy, fruit

Evening meal - as lunch

If you wanted a gouter, at about 4-5pm, you could have the yoghurt/cheese and fruit from the evening meal.

Salads were to be dressed with a dressing made from equal volumes of oil, water, vinegar, seasoned with mustard. Her idea was to use rapeseed, sunflower and olive oil to get the correct spread of nutrients.

Since we came to France, dh has taken over all the cooking, and he gets v v v stressed out when told that potato isn't a vegetable from a nutritional point of view.

Also, we don't have a half-acre veg plot and our income is in £, so, until recently has been very much on the slide.

Her idea was that nothing should be forbidden, and if you wanted chocolate, the idea was to have some. Same with everything else. Presumably, if you are getting everything you need from what you eat, you won't want it.

Btw - I wasn't hungry, just stuffed!

I also bought some individually-wrapped little bars of choc in both milk and plain - the Cote d'Or ones. They come in boxes of 20 odd. That way, I could have some choc with a coffee after a meal.

Interestingly, the endocrinologist gave me a diet that I didn't think was enough for my basic metabolism given my weight ie 40g of bread for breakfast, 1 piece of fruit a day, minimal protein. When I told my gp, he said I was too stressed and would be 'fucked' - together with elbow-bending fist-raising arm gesture if I tried to diet. Very rural area of France where I live, his favourite word is 'putain'.

tb.The french or Brits don't have much idea about diet IMO; there's a poor very ill lady with diabetes etc. in our village who can't walk and has a nurse in every day and she STILL eats baguettes and pork rilletes!! DH 's gout and arthritis was cured by giving up pork!!

I have no health probs. and I'm 61 because I've followed my blood type eating plan it's not boring or tasteless BTW Mallory check it out; it's what Cliff Richard is on and the pretty older blonde woman in SATC who looks amazing. I do P.M. and the Blood type and the Hay diet (not mixing protein and carbs at the same meal). That would probably be something for you to look at tootb

How long have you lived here tb; many Brits in yr village?

Kim Catrall!! See y'all in a couple of weeks probably !! keep up P.Ming!!

ppeat I'm 56, and dh is 62, dd 14 - going on about 26. She was pestering aggressively all weekend with roaring pmt about getting a 'spike' to enlarge the ear-piercing hole in her ear. Apparently one of the internat surveillante's bf's has got one. If it's not that, it's tatoos.

In a fit of madness and to try and shut her up, I told her that she can have her clitoris pierced - suggesting Claire's in Brive - front of window on a Saturday afternoon.

We've been here 6 years in November. Our village is just over 1,000 people including the communes. There's one other couple - she is here ft, her dh is/has been pt.

Just wish I could find some paid work. Would help enormously with French, although generally I don't have a problem with it - it's just always being 'accused' of being foreign. Though suppose it's better than being from Paris The local accent is quite strong - pain is nearer pang as in Provence, as is 'vin'. Viande is a sort of viyande rather than viahnde iyswim. Also, anyone over 70 has spoken Occitan as their first language.

The good thing is that many of those over 70 were in the Maquis, so no anti-British feeling in general.

Sorry, hit post too soon. How long have you been here ppeat? Did you move over with work, or did you just sell up and go?

Hello everybody.

Malory - sorry you are going to have to go strict for a bit. I can understand that. I sometimes think I ought to do that myself but I don't have a doctor breathing down my neck (perhaps I should!) so I dodge the issue.

I don't think you have to give up on PMcK totally - you can still do the eat only when hungry and stop when you are full thing. Then when you stop the diet you can slip seamlessly back to Pauling..... in theory. Do stay in touch though.

Fab - I like your positivity!

Rosy - it isn't that time of the month is it? You might not be self sabotaging - I suppose it depends on how active you have been this weekend. Maybe you worked up an appetite?

ppeat - see you soon. I'm very of you going to Totnes. Hats off to you following 3 plans though. I really don't know how you juggle all those diet rules though! I have enough trouble remembering to eat only when hungry.

I was another lb down last week. Not massive progress but I have only been consciously eating and cutting out the evening snacking, not doing the how thing (no CD for example). I really should do the CD again.

Sorry meant to say tb that diet the dietician gave you looks OK - typically French and pretty much balanced. I suppose the issue will be portion size - it is very easy, I should imagine to eat too much. It is also very PMcK to allow everything.

Hello!

Rosy don't panic, just start again :)

BBB well done on your pound, they all add up!

tb - love the description of your GP

Fab lovely to hear you so positive!

ppeat have a lovely time, my neighbours are in Devon this week so I hope you and they get good weather.

I have lost another couple of pounds. I've been on a plateau for a few weeks, and then just suddenly 2 lbs have dropped off. I am into the next stone bracket, and I've not been here for 14 years!! 12st 12.5lbs. I am never going back to a weight starting with 13 again.

Ali he is a bit of a case. He looks eternally miserable, and chews gum all the time. Apparently it's the gum you chew when giving up smoking - but not for 5+ years.

He likes visiting London and eating curries. I have the image permanently etched on my eyeballs of his little jump in the air on the doorstep as he mimed the after-effects of a bum-burning curry. Told him that he should have put his toilet roll in the fridge to avoid such problems. Took him some sauce that dh had made - not a lot, and his only comment was that it 'piqued' sort of stung.

Another time when there with dd, she had some sort of cold/tonsilities sort of thing, and he told her to look at his big nose! I, rather rudely, snorted with laughter.

Oh yes, and one of the perks of the job when examining you is to ask you to take your jumper/tshirt/top off. Must prefer norks to legs! He's never done it when dh was with me, and did it to dd fairly recently. She was horrified.

I can remember, too, him telling me very solemnly that his diet was composed of confit de canard and red wine, relieved by a little cognac.

As soon as the morning surgery is over, he's off to the bakery for a drink before going home for lunch.

OMG your doc. tb !!!! It's weird about curries here they don't like them strong at all I don't either but I DO like to taste SOMETHING!! He reminds me of our old postmaster who sat with his beret and glasses (a typical frenchman) and was a misery too (he seems much happier now he's retired They all drink SOO much our butcher is permanently bright red and lecherous he asked DH if I could give him some" Engleesh lessons" nudge nudge!! Also our dairyman is bright red all day from the cognac (they don't live long)!!

Thanks BBB I've done the different eating plans for so many years i don't notice any more! it's for health anyway!!

Ali EFFFing WELL DONE!!!! No I looked at the weather it's going to be cold and wet but I'm going to be looking after my most wonderful little GD so i'll be happy as larry!

I rushed lunch today and ate a bit too much so I could fit in a swim before the school run. Sort of cancels itself out really.

Right I am back. I am on it like Sonic or so DH says! I'm back at work, finally! I am full of cold so no running or gym til that passes but I'm more active simply for being back at work. I think I'm going to re-read the book. I don't have a cd player at the moment and it's not on my phone because I upgraded! but I've realised I can listen on the DVD player. Reckon I'll try to do it jn the evening.
I'm trying to catch up with what everyone else is doing but this thread moves fast!