Paul McKenna would be so proud of us on THREAD 9...No Pain, NO PAIN!! The Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends.

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

And or get them to help with the prep. of the veg. for the next meal.

fab - just noticed that in one of your posts you mention being really hungry.

Do you think that there's a possibility that you're letting yourself get too hungry? Maybe you need to eat a little sooner - then there'll be less chance of feeling that the world is out to starve you and take the food away before you've eaten enough. Please ignore if I'm wrong, just an idea.

ppeat never been invited to an apéro Smiling strangers are assumed to be liars where we live - about 20km from both Tulle and Brive. No, it was in a resto in Brive where they give you a little trough of peanuts with your drinks, and I swear that they add extra salt to them to make you order another drink. It was so hot though. Brive's in the bottom of a bowl - remember 3 years ago when dd was in hospital for 10 days, we left one night at 9.30 and the temperature outside the pharmacy on the way to the motorway was 39. 'Cos of the bowl both fog, heat just sort of stay stuck there. We're 400m up, and have thick stone walls - about 18", so it's much fresher.

I seem to be either starving severly or mouth watering peckish. Just don't know how to eat properly really .

I feel like I am hungry more often than before .

Fab that is probably because you don't eat as much at one time. I am finding the same thing myself.

I have just had a trying on session, and I have somehow lost an inch or more from my middle because clothes are fitting so much better. I ordered some new trousers for the summer, but they need to go back because they are too big!

We had the same growing up 'children in Africa would be glad of that food'. I can remember suggesting we send it to them
My parents are still very keen on clean plates, and can't bear the idea of wasting any food. They are very comfortably off now, but Dad especially had a pretty poor upbringing, and my Mum's mum was just extremely thrifty! They were both born just after the war, so I suppose their toddler years rationing was still a feature.

The last time they came up here, I was clearing away the remains of lunch and Dad said 'what are you going to do with that'. I said it was going in the compost, it was literally a crust of bread and the end of a tub of hummus. He insisted on eating it. I asked him if he was hungry, he said no but it was a waste to throw it out. I asked him if he was planning to eat less dinner on the basis of having over-eaten at lunch, he said no and I pointed out that it was just as much a waste to eat extra then! He really found it hard to see my point, even though he has been on at me my whole adult life about my weight.

With my own children, I find myself really torn. DS1 is a natural 'Pauler', I can see that already. He will eat a tiny bit of dinner, and then be hungry again an hour later. I am reluctant to override that, although I hate the waste and it irritates me to have to be making toast when it is actually bedtime! DS2 I am not so sure. He already has the beginnings of a sweet tooth.

I wish I could stop thinking about food all the time and feeling happy that I have X to eat.

Congrats on the clothes!AliWhat does yr Dad say when yr DS1 eats (in his opinion of course, so little!)? and it's better to give him something at bedtime they sleep better IME Also does yr. D know about P.M.?

It's good to be hungry and eat slowly and consciously isn't itFab?

Fab i just had a thought are you drinking enough water? P.M. suggests have a glass of water if you're hungry before you eat 'cos sometimes yr body mistakes thirst for hunger I also have some green\mint tea that keeps you going a bit longer!

Fab do you think that subconsciously you are thinking of it as a 'diet'? ie that you 'ought' to be restricting yourself/do without/whatever. It isn't, really. Btw, Cambridge doesn't include hypnosis - Lighterlife may do, but that is just Cambridge with extra bits added on.

It's just that's the thing that happens with diets - as soon as you feel that someone - ie the nasty diet is saying you can't have x,y or z, a little voice inside you starts with - 'wouldn't it be nice to have some x,y,z or bet you'd just like some x,y,z, wouldn't you?'

I used to drink a lot of water but have eased off and need to start again.

I am thinking I need to eat less as I feel like I am eating more than before when I was calorie counting.

Oh, I know the Cambridge doesn't include hypnosis. That would be extra but tbh I don't feel I want to go with any of the consultants offered on the site.

I feel round. I feel worried as I come from a fat family so feel I have no chance. I had a hernia after I had ds2 and nothing was done about it and yet when I move sometimes something moves inside me and it feels like a baby is kicking me, which I assume is something to do with the hernia or my separated stomach muscles. If I could sort those out I feel I would part of the way there.

I'm another one with a natural PMer - Child No3 in our house. It used to drive me mad when he was younger - I never seemed to get the meal on the table before he started snacking, which then meant he hardly ate any dinner. With the other two, snacks hardly made a difference to what they ate at mealtimes - as long as it wasn't something like a sandwich.

I've never really restricted snacks for any of mine, unless they're reaching for something when we're about to eat, and have pretty much always given supper (they struggled to get to sleep without it). That's much easier now that the youngest is eleven, so they can all see to themselves. The serving hatch closes once dinner's cleared up!

But I have to say, the PMer is and always has been skinny, whereas the others were born exceptionally large babies and are still well-covered. And I remember not eating a great deal as a child - didn't really like my mum's cooking, looking back still don't. I was always slim without thinking about it (like a normal child, really) until I caught the dieting bug from my sister in my teens. I stayed generally slim, but never without being watchful, and I did have a lot of bad habits, especially a shocking sweet tooth.

Morning all Fab IMO cal. counting is not only out of fashion, it's been proved to be counter intuitive.I've never counted a calorie in my life and as I said before have lost the nearly 3 stone with P.M.

There are people who are MUCH heavier than me probably eat less than me. If you're moving about a good deal (as P.M. says it doesn't need to be formal exercise), not eating late at night and not drinking excessively; with P.M. you'll loose weight and maintain it!

I have had a bowl of rice crispies for breakfast and now feel a bit peckish but not desperate to eat. I have found on any kind of "diet" I have always lost 4-6lbs the first week, 2lbs for a couple more weeks and then 1lb for a couple more before losing nothing and it creeping back up. It is like my body panics after a few weeks and no matter what I do I don't lose any more weight. I am so over weight it is scaring me tbh as I know the family I come from are all fat - the women, my dad isn't. Well, I haven't seen him for 22 years and that was the second time in my life so who knows what he is now.

I had a wispa right before bed last night - why not as I am failing at this? - but got quite teary at yet another failure.

I just don't know how to do this on my own. I just can't seem to get it.

JustFab I know exactly how you feel. All I keep thinking is that the only thing i can be sure of is that I'll fail in the end!!!

We need to find the strength from somewhere to keep going with Paul. After all it's not a diet but a way of life.

With the support of this group, together we can do it.
I need to lose at least 7 stone and the challenge in front of me scares me. I guess all we can do is to take it one day at a time.
I hope everyone's got sunshine like here in Cheshire!?! x

Thank you Em. I wish you luck with your goal.

I listened to the CD again last night. I definitely feel it helps.

For lunch I had more home made soup and then mid afternoon I had a pudding I had invented. DH just made me a couple of pieces of toast as we are having dinner later and I was hungry. I have thought about food very little but am worried I have eaten too much.

Come on Now fab and Em !!!! You know it CAN be done even if you go off plan for a few days or more you can go right back on (one wispa before bed 's not much is it Fab? it doesn't mean your're failing HONESTLY!!!!!!)

As long as you were hungry and ate slowly and consciously you're doing fine Some people put on weight from NOT EATING ENOUGH their body goes into starvation mode next time they DO eat and they put ON more!!!! That's why the WW and Cambridge type diets don't work!

Keep on listening to the C.D.s it'll happen it will it will it will STOP WORRYING emoticom!!!! sorry about the rant

fab Don't know if will help - to start with I was a mixture of desparate/hopeful after reading this thread. So, when I got the cd/book, I must have listened to the cd about 3 times on the trot, and I have been quite pleasantly surprised - that is until I read a post about not eating late at night, and at 2am this morning in the kitchen after Frost had finished, I was eating half-frozen baguette with squirty mayo on it ('cos I couldn't be arsed to add some ketchup to make cocktail sauce)

I definitely have had days when I haven't eaten enough and have filled up on water but I also think some times I am eating less mass of food but it is high in calories. I put on weight as a side effect of some meds but once I am off them completely, and still not losing weight, I can't blame anyone but myself then, can I?

tb. Was it nice though??

fab Try, if you can, if you eat a Wispa to eat it slowly, taste it and enjoy it. That way, it sort of turns it into a positive experience.

I've just spent 2 hours in the car, trying to find Maltesers - I'm making choc/caramel tart. Having found the bleeding Maltesers - nearest thing to malted milk powder in this next of the woods, someone has eaten all the plain choc in the kitchen cupboard. Still, the pastry is in the fridge, and the milk/sugar for the dulche de leche is in the simmering oven, so I can mumsnet instead of standing over it, stirring and tasting furiously

neck of the woods

Yes, I think it was nice - bread still a little frozen, though I think I managed to eat it slowly-ish/thoughtfully in the 'approved manner'

I did eat the Wispa slowly and consciously so that is progress .

I made muffins with maltesers the other week and had to improvise as I didn't buy enough. Kids liked them so I was happy.

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Dd was with me on the malteser quest, and just before we got back - 20km south but the little shop was closed, and then 40km north on the motorway to Porte de Correze, a massive service station with a shop, a friend sent her a text asking her to 'drop in' to the next village. Dh has taken her, and my kindle (new toy), and is planning to have a beer in the sun while down-loading a book to read (believing me slaving over a hot stove, not knowing the plain chocolate situation).

Bugger! Just thought, I think that one of the bars there has maltesers.