Paul McKenna would be so proud of us on THREAD 9...No Pain, NO PAIN!! The Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends.

[Solo]

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

Isn't the tapping thing for those times, to help fight the cravings/distract you from obsessing thinking about it?

Don't know if anyone has felt this.....

Just looking at the chocolate on the table at the other end of the settee, and felt 'good' for not eating any.

OK, so far, so good-ish, the only slightly bit as feeling 'good' in not eating any. Noticing though, as a bit of an afterthought, that feeling good about it has made me feel just a little panicky, as if I need to eat some to 'prove' something.

Anyone else felt anything similar?

I think I've been having a similar experience. I've just wandered into the kitchen looking for an invoice, and felt very odd about walking out again without having something to eat or a glass of wine.

Just a quick HEADS UP

GROUPON has a deal on now - all of PMK's DVD's ( 6 of them) plus bonus CD and Journal for 25 quid!!!

For those interested in having them, that is a bargain price if you don't have the special code.

Have to run. Will catch up over the weekend.

Morning all! You're up early rosy! thanks for that, it's a brilliant offer.

Shotgungood advice about the nuts! Because the blood sugar issue is very relevant; DH goes without a meal and says he's fine when I suggest he eats then he looses it when eventually cooking because he has pre diabetes and really SHOULD eat when hungry!

Hi all

Difficult morning as DS1 was vile to me.

Been and bought some lardons and cashew nuts. Just made some gorgeous mushroom soup and put the lardons in. Can't wait for lunch. The nuts will go in my compartment for later on.

Had a banana before school and just had a cracker with some brie.

I feel that I eat too much when I eat every time I am hungry whereas the calorie counting was easy for a few days. I really don't want to do that again though. I want to do this as it is my issues that need sorting.

I fight with myself and when I feel good as I haven't eaten crap I then eat it as an up yours to the people who have fucked up my eating habits . Is there any hope for me? .

Thank you Ali, will google now.

Oh Fab How about if you tried using P.M. to reduce the feeling 'good' if you've eaten healthily just to thinking about yr health which is not moral is it? because as P.M. says food is not morally "good' or 'bad' It's just food. Maybe another way to address it is say to yrself "I've put a dent in the manuf. profits'"when you don't buy some sxxt or other!

Food should be fuel but it has neve been that for me. It has been about comfort and something else I can't put my finger on yet to do with the having to sneak food and even then I wasn't always hungry I don't think. I need to read some more of the book but I struggle to retain all the information. I have made some notes though and need to make time to read them.

Have you got the C.D.s yet? I'm sure P.M. discusses yr. problems on one of them and it goes in subconsciously when you listen even asleep!!

Fab

I was just reading the comment about eating as an up yours to certain people. Maybe you need to take a moment to reflect on that. When you are thinking, 'I can eat this if I want to and you can't stop me' try and start adding on another thought, something like, 'but I'm not going to eat it because I am looking after myself because nobody else has' or words to that effect.

Of course you can eat as an 'up yours' but who is it helping? You eating 6 bars of chocolate back to back isn't going to make one iota of difference to the people you are trying to get back at. They aren't going to know you are doing it to spite them so as a gesture it is pointless.

I do honestly get where you are coming from, it is something that has occurred to me sometimes, but start thinking about how it affects you rather thinking about how other people would react because you are only damaging yourself.

And for what it is worth I think you are making progress because you recognise this in yourself. Have you been doing to the positive reinforcement stuff that PMcK suggests - finding something good to say about yourself every day, even if to begin with it feels a bit lame? It is about the power of positive thinking and it does work but it takes time. You can't undo 30 odd years of negativity over night but you can start making a difference for yourself. Sod the rest of them and their opinions!!

Yes Fab there's ALWAYS hope for everyone; 'habits can be changed' as P.M. says !! And I agree with BBB you ARE making progress; the fact you're sticking with this is something that you can be really proud of and the best one in the eye for any negative\horrible people!!

Thank you all. You are so lovely.

I am about to have some home made soup and I know it is going to be delicious. I am having it for tea too as DH is having left over pizza.

The comments about changing the up yours is also great and will help me immensely, thank you.

I do listen to the CD every night but am asleep quite quickly so not listening while awake but I plan too later.

A friend has recommended I do the Cambridge plan then have hypnosis as she has done. She has lost 5 stone and looks amazing.

I know I need to sort this in my head though, as well as trying to fix my stomach muscles separatedf by having my youngest.

Just a very quick look in. Thanks for the PM BBB I'm ok, full of cold and other things have been in my life, but I'm here. Not going to read the posts I've missed though as I haven't got that long!

Hello to anyone new :) waves to Kinky glad to see you.xx

Can I just share progress?

I had my soup and realised I was full/had had enough so I stopped eating it . I left it on the side and thought about it for a while, read MN, forgot it was there, felt happy I hadn't eaten beyond feeling full and went and put it on the compost. .

i was talking to my friends about the pmk thing and i said its just the way a skinny person would eat, only when hungry and until full, one of which replied that its not that she eats when shes not hungry, she just will clear her plate because that's whats she's been brought up to do, (my mum was so lax on that front...), which led me to thinking, how on earth is it possible to break a habit of a lifetime? any idea's?

Nice to hear from you Solo

That sounds really good fab ! Well done!! I put my leftovers in the fridge ref. clearing the plate I say to myself 'well it'll still be there if ', as I said, 'I put it in the fridge'. My Mum bless her never forced us to eat but sometimes the food is SOOO yummy that I DO have to stop myself overeating (usually when i'm tired) Not taking my own advice much ATM .

gossip as well as the above the C.D.s have good advice for the breaking of that habit.

I was brought up by parents who insisted that we finished everything on the plate ilk. Usually using the "starving kids in Africa" blackmail (provoking the inevitable retort that leftovers could go in an envelope and be sent to them, of course). I agree it's very hard to get out of that mindset.

Oh Mardy I said just the same to my Mum when I was 12...oh how I regretted the words 'well send it to them then'
I was having the same convo with SIL last night; how we were made to finish our meals. She had her left overs for breakfast the next morning :( and my Db and I were made to sit at the table untul our plates were empty. On top of that we had free school meals and regularly had 2nds and 3rds of both dinner and pudding. On returning home, Mum would serve up Dad sized portions of meat and 3 veg for us. Lord knows how we ate so much in one day!! I don't force my Dc's to finish meals; I've never considered it, but because Dd has school meals, I start to worry a bit when she talks of having seconds...though, she's never eaten beyond her full signal. Ds eats sooo much it makes me . but they are both skinny!

I try to not make my children eat everything but when they don't eat much and then an hour later want something else - never what they have left - what then? I don't want my kids being hungry. I spent most of my childhood starving and wanting to eat.

Hi Solo - glad you are OK...ish. Sorry to hear about your cold.

Fab - well done on your lunchtime success. Remember your pride in getting it right and forget the lapses. Nobody expects you to be perfect so don't be so hard on yourself if you get it wrong. Remember the soup on the compost heap and know you can do this..... you are doing this.

Mardy - I have had the send it to the children in Africa thing too. I remember even as a 4 yr old being made to sit at the dining room table for ages, not being allowed to leave the table because I hadn't eaten my cabbage and because I was being stubborn the rest of my Sunday lunch, partly because of the waste of food thing and partly because it is good for you - even if it had been cooked for an hour or whatever!! It was roast lamb and it went cold and a layer of fat formed over everything. Don't really like roast lamb even now and unless it is in coleslaw I won't eat cabbage either! My mother is horrified she did that now of course but even though the sitting at the table until all the food was gone didn't happen often, we were still expected to eat everything. I think for my mother and Solo's as they are of a a similar age, rationing has left its mark.

I don't make my children eat everything unless they aren't eating it because they have taken a dislike to it even though they are hungry - then I insist they eat a little bit because they aren't getting anything else and I don't want them hungry. Most of the time they are asking for seconds!

Went out tonight - just had an apéritif and then mineral water instead of wine. Ate rather more of peanuts that came with the beer than I intended to - albeit fairly slowly.

Had fish soup, which I finished after dh finished his. Then had mussels - gave him a few, left loads of the thick creamy sauce even though I had a spoon and half a portion of chips to get it out of the bottom of the pot. Didn't have dessert, not even coffee gourmand - coffee with mini fruit salad, creme brulée and choc mousse. I did eat the jelly crocodile that came with the coffee

Feel quite good about it.

I can remember being expected to clear my plate, and the 'starving in India' theme, but don't think I dared suggesting sending it to them. My dm was good about one thing, though. If she made something that I didn't like, I had to eat it 'just this once' and then never again. I can remember her making a new pasta dish that was like slimy sick and her laughing as she tried to eat it, too. She put me a portion in a little glass bowl that she used to mix cornflour/water, so 2 tbsps max, rather than a normal bowl. It was dire.

Dd is getting increasingly fussy about food - she's 14 and coming up to external exams. There are loads of things she won't eat, including most veg except sweetcorn. She is trying to eat less - she won't try the pmk cd, says that she has some app on her iphone. I'm not sure that she really understands, she's likely to say she fried food is out, but happily have half a jar of mayo with tuna/sweetcorn.

All I have to do, is to resist the choc on the table, now.

Hope everyone else is having a good evening/had a good day.

Morning all ! Ref. forced plate clearing I was like my mum never forcing anything; she went through rationing as well but she consciously decided to bring us up differently from her parents l; (i believe the 'do as you would be done by' maxim) but interestingly our DCs have some 'ishoos' or other with food, as i have i s'pose, so it's not nec. how we've been bought up is it?

tb You're getting there!! I think the 'apero' thing' in Fr. esp. when you're hungry is difficult (I always lay on some thing I WANT to eat when we have one and also taking something I like with me when we go to one .

I just walked to the supermarket - took an hour including shopping time. Had rice crispies when I got home. Have planned mushroom and bread homemade soup for lunch, yum. I think I need to do some exercise and have been invited to join a neighbour while she walks her dogs . I don't think FABCat would appreciate going on a lead for a walk!

Can someone help me please with my question above about the children's eating habits?

fab IMO P.M. is how we all should eat and it's interesting how LITTLE we do actually physically need to feel full so as DCs are smaller than us it follows they have smaller stomachs so need even LESS. So I wouldn't worry about it and give them fruit and nuts or a healthy sandwich!