Paul McKenna would be so proud of us on THREAD 9...No Pain, NO PAIN!! The Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends.

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!!

The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry OH NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

I had to take the kids to the shop after school to get DS1 some uniform and I was hungry. I had a double decker and enjoyed every bit of it, I took my time and didn't feel guilty. I know I probably should have had an apple but I haven't had chocolate for ages .

Been trying to eat like this on and off for ages as I feel so much healthier when I do. So started not shovelling food in at top speed last Friday and enjoying my food. Today was going so well until I got home from work and shovelled tons of biscuits in and it went downhill from there.

Anyway, onwards and upwards.

Sorry, am one of those who spies a thread for ages, offering no input until I get desperate. So here I am!
I started PMcK a few weeks ago and for the first few days I was pretty blown away - I felt full after half a plate, snacks didn't interest me, chocolat totally lost it's appeal. It was amazing! It was the magic id been looking for. Then my world got rocked by something. I had no spare time or energy and my mind was on something else. so, I stopped listening to the cd, stopped all the golden rules. It all fell apart. Now life has settled again a bit. So, I started listening again 4 days ago and got the app on my phone etc. But nothing. I sort of feel myself getting full at meal times, but choose to ignore the signs. I shovel handfuls of peanuts, chocolate, crisps etc into my mouth whenever I pass the kitchen. I'm back on the red wine again, which means slabs of cheese...
Help. What can I do to get it to work again? Re read the book? Any advice please.
Thanks!

Veggy - be kind to yourself. Perhaps make yourself a 'treat box' that contains peanuts, chocolate, crisps - all the 'etcs' in, and have some when you are hungry, seeing if it's possible to eat them slowly. Tell yourself, that the treat box is yours, and that no-one can take either it or its contents away from you.

Perhaps, part of it is giving yourself permission to eat the comforting foods. I can remember years ago buying a book called 'Eat yourself thin' or something like that. It didn't work for me - I was working away from home in London, and I just kept going back to Sainsbury's at South Ken to buy another huge box of quality street. Deep down, I'd not realised that I had permission to eat them, just thought I had, and so felt almost 'driven' to polish off the lot before someone took them away from me.

It's easier said than done, I know. I fancied chocolate this afternoon - the only bar we had was one of those double Aldi 2x200g ones.

So......I ate 2 'strips', and enjoyed them. Dd came home from school looking like death - she stayed the night at a friend's last night. She ate 2. Think I ate 2 more, and then let her have the last one.

The point is, I managed not to just 'crunch' up the chocolate to get it eaten as quickly as possible, I bit it off slowly, and sucked each piece. Yes, perhaps I ate too much of it, but at least the way I ate it was different.

It's progress - about 20 years ago, when I was still having flashbacks, I could eat 3 bars of chocolate mars/boost/marathon-type in less than 5 minutes - to keep the panic at bay, and in case anyone saw me.

Makes you wonder, if some of the blame for eating quickly and bolting food, lies at the feet of all those dinner ladies and teachers who threatened us with having your plate taken away etc if you didn't eat up quickly.

I've splashed out this week - new jeans from c+a, and a kindle. Apparently there's a bloody postal strike. Grrrr

I've lurked on here for a bit - not read everything yet, but wanted to say I'm thrilled as I've lost 2lbs since buying the app for my phone 7 days ago.
I tried it before, a couple of yeats ago, with the book, but I seemed to mainly focus on the 'eat whatever you want' aspect of it, so gained weight, panicked and stopped. This time I did go up initially, but somehow the trance thing seems to be having an effect. I'm not sure I listened to it much last time, wasn't really set up with the right technology and it all seemed like too much effort afair.

I'm eating my normal breakfast (never been one to sell myself short there ), then when I'm hungry again between 11.30 - 12.30 I have lunch - don't try and make myself last longer. If dinner is late I'll have a quick snack, and my portion sizes are definitely smaller. I can't chew properly atm, as I've got tmj ishoos, but that actually forces me to eat slowly anyway. So feeling really pleased I plunged in again, having been trying to shift this peri-menopausal (now probably full-blown meno) weight for about the last 3 years.

I suspect I'm the only one here who remembers seeing PK at a corporate summer ball in the late 80s/early 90s, when he was first becoming well-known, and was still doing the 'trickery' hypnosis on-stage. It was actually really good, had the audience captivated and was a great laugh, but far, far removed from anything he does today.

As I said, I haven't read all, but I did notice Fab mention struggling in the afternoons. Just wanted to say, soup and bread is all good healthy stuff, but lacks protein, which is what sticks around in your stomach longer and bolsters you until dinner. Try chucking a tin of few beans or crumble on some feta or maybe add some crispy lardons - whatever appeals - and see how you get on.
Hope you don't mind the unasked-for advice. .

Pk? Meant PMcK of course.

Welcome to all the new faces around. It is always great to have people join us. The more there are to motivate each other the better. The weight loss journey isn't easy, and PMK is no quick fix. It is about developing new habits that should hopefully span the test of time. I put this extra weight on over a 20 year period, and I need to acknowledge that losing 12 stone is not going to happen overnight. Yes, with some diets the weight comes off faster - BUT, it rarely STAYS off. And I guess that's the whole point isn't it. I am not bothering to weigh myself very much because while the point is to lose weight, I do not want this to be just about the weight loss. I want to know that I am in control of the food and not the other way around. That, for me, is the bigger battle. That's why these rules are so important, because I want them to become habits. The weight loss should I hope, be a natural progression...

But life does get challenging and having an abusive childhood does not help - I should know as well - and it is hard to keep persepective sometimes and not let the emotions overwhelm us. It's a case of putting one foot in front of the other and when we trip and fall, to just get up and keep going. Because we deserve to be healthy and happy and we have the power within us to achieve this.

Sorry for the ramble.

Have a great day...

Hi everyone,

I didn't manage to listen to the CD yesterday, despite setting myself the goal of listening every day for at least the first week, but I didn't do too badly. I tend to get really hungry about 4pm, which messes up all the meal times, etc. Today might work though, as I am going to have to eat my meal about 4 cos then I am out until about 10.30. - hairdressers then a meeting. -with lovely swishy hair!! I love that DD3 is training as a hairdresser, I can feel pampered so much more than when it cost a fortune!!
Listened this morning again.

Hope everyone has a good day.

A big welcome to our newbies Shotgun and veggy And I'm also for you Rosy Also big congrats for deciding to become positive in yr attitude! I know you didn't mean diet about P.M. 'cos it's 'a way of eating' not a diet IMO it's important not to think of it as such 'cos SO many normal diets fail and although of course you can stop doing the P.M. rules and return to yr old habits but like giving up coffee it's just a habit which can be broken or mended as you wish. BTW don't apologise for rambling we all do it at times

positive take something with you for when you're hungry!

Hi ladies,

Just a flying visit to make sure you don't drop off my 'threads I'm on list' Had a busy few weeks and don't seem to have been on MN much. Normally I have 12-18 threads on my 'threads I'm on' list and at the moment I have 4! . What is going on?!

Things are OK here although I had a minor fall off the wagon on Tuesday evening. Nothing major but I felt like I was wandering the house looking for food at one point. I ended up eating some bread and butter and nibbling various bits and pieces whilst making the DSs packed lunches. Not the end of the world but I really should have just gone to bed, not started eating. The good thing is that I realise that it is actually quite unusual for me to this when before restarting Pauling it would have been a regular occurence.

Have a good day everybody.

Shotgun I appreciate your input, thank you very much. I am having soup lter and will look to see if have anything in the cupboard to add to it.

I am like the Michelin man around the middle .

Had lunch, added kidney beans to my soup. Was very nice.

Now I am feeling low and want to eat chocolate or my milk bottle sweets .

Justfab If you eat them calmly, and not stuffing them down your beak while hiding you head in a cupboard sort of way - not accusing, just showing a contrast, then, where's the harm? If it was what you wanted, and, hopefully, you enjoyed them.

Who knows? Perhaps they filled some (obscure) nutritional need, with some oligo-element only available from said article.

Hello all

Fab - are your tummy muscles separated? Google diastasis recti and see what you think. Mine were/are and I have been taking steps to correct it. I have almost totally lost my 'pregnant' tummy amd my shape is completely different.

Ali - yes they are. I had DS2 nearly 7 years ago and was told they had done and couldn't do anything about it and now I am . I ate some sweets on the way to school and was nearly in tears at feeling so crap at this.

Sorry tb I missed your post. I took them with me as I would be out for over 2 hours and didn't want the feeling dizzy through hunger. As it was I had stomach pains and felt sick after 2 sweets. I ate about 10 in total but then put the rest in the glove compartment.

Fab, may I suggest you put a packet of nuts in yon compartment? Teariness really can be triggered by low blood sugar, and if you crave sugar often, chances are that's the problem.

Cashews/walnuts/Brazils/macadamias - anything really - it's not what you fancy when you're feeling low and looking for a lift, but four or five or ten or fifteen of these babies makes you feel so replete and calm, it's a quiet miracle.

They've saved me through many a 'rubbish lunch' or 'late breakfast' day, as well as helping hugely with the constant nausea I had throughout my last two pregnancies. The first one I was none the wiser and stuffed carbs to quell the sickness).

But it sounds as if you're moving on from the quick fixes so you'll probably find you naturally start to find alternatives.

I love cashews but it is the salted ones I really like and I thought they weren't allowed. Is it really eat anything but be careful? I am in a really bad mind set I know.

I'm no expert on PM but that's my understanding. Eg I had a couple of choc chip cookies while waiting for my boys at the hairdresser's today. Wasn't really necessary but it's a bit of a ritual of mine - feels naughty and goes well with the Nescafe and Daily Mail .

I'd say the idea is to be mindful rather than careful. That's a whole different concept and leads you to make better choices - whether that happens in a week or several months doesn't matter - the point is making progress rather than 'cracking it' straight away imo.

I just have a bad relationship with food. I see it as comfort. I expect it to cheer me up and make everything okay. I want to eat to say up yours to the people that didn't let me eat but I am only hurting myself as they aren't in my life any more.

Hi all, I hope your all well?!?

I have been having an on off week. I?ve been making do with grabbing food when I can during the day as school is starting to go crazy with the up and coming exams. However in the evenings I have noticed I?ve been eating much less than normal.

The problem is what to do with all the left overs?

Someone gave me a tip last week- when your feeling disheartened by only losing a lb or 2, from one week to the next, weight out your weight loss. Have only lost 2lb in the last 2 weeks, I weighted out 2lb worth of rice. I was amazed at how much that was and how heavy it was. Do you know that 2lb is just over 900gs? It made me realise that every lb lost is fantastic!!!
Here to a fab weekend
Xx

I tend to think in terms of butter, Em - ie 2lbs is nearly a packet! I do tend only to think that when I've put it on, though - good idea to turn it into a positive!
Fab, what you've just said, while describing a sad situation, actually, to me, shows progress - a big part of the battle, I imagine, must be trying to see things in objective terms.

Sorry I'm no psychologist, I just think everyone's going to have a different take on this and a different rate of 'success,' if that can be measured in weight loss - but I think if we keep having tiny successes each day it's got to end up at a good point.

I have had panic attacks when I have felt I couldn't/shouldn't eat. Usually when I am not hungry but want to eat food just for the enjoyment.

DH is out for a work meal and I'd planned to cook myself something, but not hungry at all. Sort of feel like I'm missing out, but still don't want to sit down and eat. Maybe I should drink instead.

Shotgun - I just roared at that phase 'may I suggest you put a packet of nuts in yon compartment?'

Fab - google Tuplar method and get her book. You don't need the splint or any of that other rubbish. I bought her book on Kindle for about £8 and it has transformed my figure following her exercises.
And yes you really can eat anything, just slowly and only when you are hungry. If you are just feeling low, tired, in need of cheering up, then you shouldn't eat.