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Anyone want to join a thread about Eating Less.

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bumblingbovine · 17/05/2011 13:35

I read this book by Gillian Riley a while ago and it made so much sense. She has a website here
www.eatingless.com

I may even go to a seminar but I think the book has most of whast you need in it. There is a chapter free on the website to get an idea of the tone

She talks about stopping overeating and says that focussing on weight is completely counterproductive. I really would like to try this but thought it would be useful to have some support.

I have been thinking about this for a while but issues with my ds have got in the way. The other thread on fat/overeating has reminded me

I will need to dig the book out agin but the key thing she talks about is setting some realistic limits on the what, the amount and when you will eat and then sticking to them.

The idea is to "stop overeating" not to "lose weight". In fact you can stop overeating much more easily than you can lose weight and it happens quicker.

So my food plan would be to

Eat 3 balanced meals a day (one portion only - no seconds)every day. This would be
Breakfast between 7am and 9am
Lunch between 12pm and 2pm
Dinner between 6pm and 8pm

To have a maximum of 1 snack a day which should be of a reasonable size and reasonably healthy

Dessert if eaten should be fruit or yoghurt during the week but can be something less healthy at the weekend for dessert if I want it

Success would be sticking to the food plan each day. Weight would not come into it.
everybody's foodplan would be different to suit them

We could check in every few days (or daily) with how we have done or if we are having trouble with cravings and wanting to eat more.

Does anyone want to try this?

OP posts:
IvaNighSpare · 23/06/2011 10:30

me again Grin

has anyone tried this book ?

it seems to be preaching a similar message to GR. Of course, I'm at risk of saturating myself in psycho-babble so feel free to tell me to get a grip and get on with the action and less of the reading!

Italiangreyhound · 23/06/2011 16:11

Iva I borrowed that book from the library, I had to pay about a £1 to reserve it then I ended up paying £4.50 in late library fees and I never read it! have now paid another £1 to reserve it and will read it when I get a chance.

Glad the dietician was helpful.

erebus · 24/06/2011 10:03

Hi, tell us what you think about the book! How does it differ from GR?

All going OK here. As I have said earlier, I have decided I cannot forgo my scales as I'm not very good at realising I've lost weight and when you're talking 1lb a week, it'd be oh-so-easy for me to gain that whilst not noticing! I am happy with the 1lb as I think and hope the loss is more likely to be permanent than weight lost at 5 lbs a week though I do appreciate that if you have a lot to lose, bigger weekly losses are more likely and sustainable.

I too, as I may have said earlier, have an element of reverse-body dysmorphia.. I don't see myself as being as fat as I was, which was 13 stone on May 4th - it took the (yawn, yes I know, Gillian!) - holiday snaps to make me realise what a blob I had allowed myself to become! And a problem with thinking one isn't that overweight is less commitment to losing weight! Even now I am almost not believing that my size 18 PerUna jeans with a bit of lycra are becoming a bit big, though I have decreased 2 holes in my belt but the thing is they aren't that comfortable because they're too big! But, seeing as they're still fairly new and haven't been washed a lot, the lycra is still doing it's job so they're perhaps not flapping around me as much as they would be without lycra iyswim.

Anyway, today I was 11st 11lb so in a week's time I should 'only' have a stone more to lose to my goal.

I have introduced a bit more variety esp in the snack dept. I bought some seed/nut/dry fruit mix and take a small box of that to work. I have managed to be mindful about all the cake and biscuits in the staffroom, too. I walk in, see it and almost subconsciously think 'That's not for me'. I do wonder whether I should actually be saying to myself 'Yes, you can have that if you choose- as long as you also examine the consequences of eating that'...

However, my smugness stops sharply at the fact I drank too much last night! I woke up with a hangover which is deeply not impressive! My 'planned' 2 glasses of wine (Thursday night thing with dinner) turned into three, and large ones at that which isn't good Blush. However, I've put that behind me and am back on track today.

I agree entirely about the need to love oneself for ones own self's sake, not for anyone else. We so need to be doing what we're doing (eating mindfully in order to improve our health, self-esteem, happiness) for reasons that place 'looks' way down the list.

I like to think that, as I am knocking 50 and yes, realise I should have done this at 40(!) I am trying to work towards a healthier body to carry me into old age. I have always wanted to be one of those wiry, fit elderly people who stride past you up mountains with a cheery 'Hello!' but gave myself quite a shock a couple of months ago when we, as a family, set off to hike up a mountain in northern New South Wales that I, in my 30s, strode up regularly. It's a good, stiff 3 hour upward climb (well, it wouldn't be downwards, would it?!). After 20 minutes I seriously wondered if I was making a really stupid mistake. I was gasping like a fool. I managed to struggle on and did get to the the top but it was quite a wake up call!

Italiangreyhound · 24/06/2011 17:43

erebus well done on getting so far in your journey. Not going so well here. I am tired, stressed and a bit fed up. I need a spa weekend not a bloomin' weekend camping! (We are off camping tonight.)

erebus · 24/06/2011 21:55

Hope your camp trip doesn't turn into 'Nature's spa'...

We camped last August in an isolated field in north Devon. Very picturesque but it threw it down. Every day. Spent an awful lot of time driving aimlessly around effectively killing time before returning to our damp tent and site! yet we keep going.... Where are you off to?

You know, I have identified a major cause for me to fall off the wagon. Sheer bloody frustration- not necessarily 'anger' as such but when something just will not work or something I just cannot find. In those moments I really feel my desire to just eat what I bloody well want becomes a separate entity to myself, one I almost can't be bothered to fight, thus give in.... so I entirely understand why you're feeling low.

I hope you have a good weekend that might pick up your spirits again to carry on fighting the good fight!

erebus · 25/06/2011 18:14

I have identified another major cause for me to fall off the wagon..Pinot Grigio!

Whilst cooking, should I decide one glass just isn't enough, half way through glass two I am nibbling the cheese, snarfing 2 or 3 slices of the chorizo, oh, you know how it goes.

SO maybe I need to be on a OP thread about Drinking Less? Grin

Italiangreyhound · 26/06/2011 23:55

It was a church weekend away and it was fabulous. I really enjoyed it. I had a great time.

erebus I did wonder if wine might be your problem as you have mentioned it many times/ well a few times!

I got hold of Eating Less by Gillian Riley last week and I am reading it at my usual snail's pace! It is funny that the stuff I wrote before about why looking good is not a very good reason for weight loss is really spot on for Gillian! I can't claim it was all my own thoughts because I had read a tiny but if Gillian and seen the DVD clips:

tvnz.co.nz/good-morning/s2010-e190310-gillianriley-video-3422956
and
tvnz.co.nz/good-morning/goodmorning-s2010-e120310-gillianriley-video-3411728

I am a very slow reader but am just reading Chapter 5 of 'Eating Less Say goodbye to overeating' by Gillian Riley, 'Set yourself free', about how being on a diet is like being a cell! It is fascinating. It certainly explains why people have big blow outs when they come off diets!

I am feeling good because just after reading that bit, I got offered a cookie and I just said no, I did not feel at all deprived by not having it! Yipee!

STG how is it going?

Iva Anything to report.

winedog How are you doing?

erebus · 27/06/2011 18:09

Hi, yes, I think 'the odd glass of wine' when it's actually 8 or even 10 units a week adds up calorifically!

As I've cut down on everything, the wine consumption has certainly fallen too! - which is probably why I now really notice when I do drink 2 glasses one after the other...

erebus · 27/06/2011 18:13

Glad you're finding GR useful- she does knock nails on the head and I do really believe what she says about why we blow out at the 'end' of diets.

winedog · 27/06/2011 20:33

Hi greyhound-I'm fine but busy, busy, busy! Doing ok- not perfect (very GR) but not overindulging. Tried a dress on this morning that was a smidge too tight around tummy a few weeks ago and is now ok so must be doing something right. Off on hols soon for a month, dress may be too tight again by the end of it. Funny but sometimes when I am surrounded by loads of food I almost turn off. I find I do that sometimes at Christmas-it's as though when I give my self permission to over indulge because of holidays or christmas I feel a bit sickened by all the food.

Italiangreyhound · 27/06/2011 23:49

winedog well done for turning off from food, when there is the chance to over indulge.

erebus · 29/06/2011 08:19

Did anyone see 'Embarrassing Fat Bodies' on was it Monday night?

An interesting point about how just eating a bit more than you burn up every day stacks on the pounds over a year!

I am trying to lose about 1lb or so a week and it's a very fine line!

SteelTownGirl · 29/06/2011 12:49

Hi again all

erebus I didn't see the programme you mentioned but some friends I was with last night were talking about it - I gather there were some rather gross, scary images?

Iva, I was really interested in your post about the dietician and the "missions" - they actually sound like a pretty sensible set of ideas to follow. How are you doing?

Italian thank you for the video clips too. GR looks and sounds very normal and reasonable, doesn't she?

To tell you the truth, I seem to have been having trouble this past week - just a lot going on in my life with my family etc. and have found it hard to concentrate. I have been feeling a bit overwhelmed.

I think I need to set the Goss book aside for the moment and just concentrate on the GR book, the ideas of which were originally working for me. I'm trying to analyse why I'm off track and I think it has something to do with trying to accept myself and my body as I am/as it is. I have less than a stone to lose, realistically, to be where I'd like to be, so I'm probably not motivated enough, despite a holiday looming on the horizon.

Sorry for sounding such a drudge, I just feel a bit down today.

The thing you said Iva about weight issues fitting into one's environment, struck a chord with me. My DH and 2 DS eat heartily and fairly heathily all the time but I feel somedays threatened in that food is never far away. We have a big living-kitchen so it is always near to hand. Sometimes as teatime, I just want to leave them all to it and get away from food! No reason why I shouldn't I suppose.

Well, sorry for moaning, need to try and get re-motivated. Listened to the whole CD in the car on Friday and am going to put it on again today.

Hope you are all fine and doing well

STG xx

SteelTownGirl · 29/06/2011 12:49

Hi again all

erebus I didn't see the programme you mentioned but some friends I was with last night were talking about it - I gather there were some rather gross, scary images?

Iva, I was really interested in your post about the dietician and the "missions" - they actually sound like a pretty sensible set of ideas to follow. How are you doing?

Italian thank you for the video clips too. GR looks and sounds very normal and reasonable, doesn't she?

To tell you the truth, I seem to have been having trouble this past week - just a lot going on in my life with my family etc. and have found it hard to concentrate. I have been feeling a bit overwhelmed.

I think I need to set the Goss book aside for the moment and just concentrate on the GR book, the ideas of which were originally working for me. I'm trying to analyse why I'm off track and I think it has something to do with trying to accept myself and my body as I am/as it is. I have less than a stone to lose, realistically, to be where I'd like to be, so I'm probably not motivated enough, despite a holiday looming on the horizon.

Sorry for sounding such a drudge, I just feel a bit down today.

The thing you said Iva about weight issues fitting into one's environment, struck a chord with me. My DH and 2 DS eat heartily and fairly heathily all the time but I feel somedays threatened in that food is never far away. We have a big living-kitchen so it is always near to hand. Sometimes as teatime, I just want to leave them all to it and get away from food! No reason why I shouldn't I suppose.

Well, sorry for moaning, need to try and get re-motivated. Listened to the whole CD in the car on Friday and am going to put it on again today.

Hope you are all fine and doing well

STG xx

SteelTownGirl · 29/06/2011 12:52

Don't know why that appeared twice, sorry!

Meant to say also, I think using these different books I have just sort of bombarded myself with weightloss issues and lost sight of the important bits...

Am getting plenty of exercise though which I know is great for one's "mental health", so off out again later today...

erebus · 29/06/2011 13:50

Hi STG- Well done with the exercise! I admit I'm fairly rubbish at finding the time- there's always something more pressing to do!

I recognise what you mean about the ready availability of food. DH, unthinkingly, bought some small chocolate brownie bites and mini chocolate covered swiss rolls and put them in clear tupperware boxes on the work surface... and whilst I know this is our battle, not necessarily the family's, I really don't want or need to see such temptation every time I walk in there!

I also know what you mean about reading loads and almost losing sight of the central message. I have a list on a bit of paper on top of my fridge so I can go and refer to it from time to time to remind me of why I need to remain mindful about my diet, but the thing is, I do get sick to death of thinking about food all the time! Not so much the 'God, I could go a bar of chocolate' type thinking, more- 'OK, if I eat this, what are the implications? It will mean I need to choose not to eat that, but if I...' endlessly!

And I am finding I am feeling a lot less committed now than I was 7 weeks ago! I have a stone to go to my target and some jolly good reasons to get stuck in but I am maybe resting on my laurels having lost half my 'excess'. I want to feel like I did on say Day 2. Perhaps my problem is of being too accepting of my slightly shrunken form. Do I 'love' it enough already to feel I don't need to continue to improve it by 'becoming healthier/losing weight'?

'Embarrassing bodies' is a good wake up call but I do feel like a Victorian at an asylum, watching it. For all the 'people like us' who have allowed The Weight Gain Creep to happen, there are several poor 'wheel on the circus freak' people who are evidently there to invoke our disgust and pity.

But do carry on coming on here to 'carry on'! That's the point of this discussion!

erebus · 29/06/2011 13:56

Oh, I also meant to say that this week- mainly because I know I haven't been very mindful over the past week and I was 'on' which didn't help my weight or mood- I am working towards the Friday weigh in. It's a short, manageable target but I pray I am at least the same, but not gained as my motivation will take a drubbing if the news isn't good! - even though I know I have probably undone some good work by being mindless about what I've been placing in my mouth up until Sunday!

Italiangreyhound · 29/06/2011 20:04

I really enjoy embarrassing fat bodies and find it helpful. I feel the people who go on it get something out of it, and often there is a reason why they have put on or maintained weight. Sometimes it is something simple like they are lazy but t could also be medical (the man who got a massive stomach from taking steroids for asthma - rare but it happened, it saved his life but left him with a huge tummy about 2 weeks ago). I find it is helpful.

Italiangreyhound · 30/06/2011 18:45

Hi guys how are you all?

Today was a bit absent minded eating for me! I ate two fairy cakes becausethey were there! Anyone would have thought they were forcing me. But now looking forward to sensible dinner of fish and potatoes and veg.

Did anyone watch The Apprentice last night? Any time is treat time? Great slogan for kids (NOT!).

erebus · 01/07/2011 11:50

OK, did weigh-in today, and am the same as last week, 11st 11lbs.

I have to be glad it hasn't gone up!

It is a tiny bit depressing to realise how little I can eat before I start to gain weight again, though! I am ever increasingly surprised that the whole population isn't morbidly obese as I appreciate that I will never again be able to eat a cafe sized piece of cake or a Milky Way bar, or half a medium Dominoes pizza for example- well, I could but I'd have to not eat the next meal in 'compensation'. Which isn't what people do, is it?! My colleagues at work will eat a slab or two of cake at morning tea, will settle down to a tupperware box twice the size of what I'd dare eat of say lasagne, washed down with a Costa's latte; idly munch a bag of crisps through afternoon tea and so forth (okay, I don't know for sure some don't then run a marathon every night but I doubt it!) yet they remain in the normal range for BMI.

How is that?

Italiangreyhound · 01/07/2011 20:59

Met up with friends who are at Weight Watchers, talking points, pounds and yawm, don't want to go back to that!

Good luck to all.

Keep strong, we will all get there if we make eating healthily the idea, we will become what we eat! Literally!

erebus if you are still the same weight just focus on this, are you still eating healthily, getting some sleep and exercise, yes, then good. You go girl!

erebus · 02/07/2011 10:46

Yes, I'm so glad that the GR method- or perhaps I should say 'way of life' doesn't expect you to constantly work at the mechanics of weight loss like WW and SW do. I mean yes, GR is hard in that the onus is placed firmly back on you whereas the WW type methods almost remove 'responsibility' from the person, imo. Which is why I think they ultimately fail as all the 'work' required goes towards sourcing foods you hadn't previously eaten (but only doing so 'because this diet tells me to'), and constantly totting up and calculating calories, syns, whatever, rather than our 'work' which is looking inwards into ourselves to try and understand why we eat the way we do, challenging ourselves and hopefully root out the basic causes of why we do what we do, hot what we eat.

Yes, I know it's futile watching my work colleagues wolf down 3000 calories a meal and feeling "unfair!" BUT I have to say I went out to a work colleague's 50th last night at an Indian. I had already considered that I might eat too much (and I did, but not a blow out!) but I also observed that the woman to my left is waaaay too thin (went through what was to her a completely unexpected marriage break up and has taken on what I call the 'Scottish Widow' mantle ever since!) drank a glass of tap water, ate half a dry popadom and half of a starter size meat dish; the woman opposite me who is big, maybe a size 20 basically wolfed down whatever was in front of her, so things can often work 'as expected'. Don't think either ate their £15.50 share of the bill, mind!

Italiangreyhound · 04/07/2011 23:00

Sorry ladies I have been away and have been diverting myself with other things. Still no word on our donor but for now I am contemplating my future re work and just concentrating on life. Part of me would like to be self employed so I am thinking what could I do! Grin

It's been a bad day. Two visits to the Co op which meant the pick and mix!

Need strength!

erebus, winedog STG, Iva and anyone else, how re you all?

Any sign of BumblingBovine?

Hugs to all.

erebus · 05/07/2011 13:30

Hi, still here! It'd be fair to say my weightloss has sort of stopped right now but I have to be glad it's not gone up!

I am trying to remotivate myself a bit. I am reminding myself that it's daft being mindful some of the time but then undoing all of the good work by then just scoffing down a full plate of dinner without thought as to whether I feel I need all of it, and still finishing first!

Good luck with everything!

QuimFabray · 05/07/2011 17:29

Hi, I discovered this thread this afternoon, just read the whole thing and can I join in, please? :)

I read the GR book and then went to one of her seminars. It was a great weekend, worked fantastically, a complete reversal of the ways I used to think and feel about food. I've slipped off the wagon though and fallen back into my bingey ways :(

I've just dug out my book and CD (and will be putting on iPod so I can listen before I go to bed).

My experience with GR has been that it does work, but I have to keep referring back to the book to keep me on track. I find the POV of my friends, family and even wider society are contradicting the philosophy of the book, IYSWIM?

I've been a binge/compulsive/chaotic eater since pre-puberty and GR is the only thing I've found that makes me think I may overcome this one day.

Previously I've tried a low-GL diet and Slimming World. I did lose weight when I followed them correctly, but like someone said upthread, it's all about the 'how and not the why'.

Sorry if I've rambled Blush Look forward to checking back on this.