The Big Fat List and the Days of Doom (TM)

[BlooferLady]

You lot! Over 'ere! Sorry for taking liberties with the previous thread: I am no good with suspense, and it was like looking at a gigantic throbbing pustulating boil and not being able to squeeze it

You are all doing fabulously.

I am a traitor who has put on 2kg this week. Yep, 2kg. That's over 4 pounds. I weighed myself in my pyjamas this morning but am not going to try and tell you that they weigh 4lbs! Ironically my tummy is flat and tight. I will be the first 20 stone size 12 woman! My midwife found it difficult to locate my baby because of my muscles, not my fat. Although that was my tummy, my thunderthighs are clearly fat.

I'm feeling very disollusioned by it all and stumbled across this last night Diets and mental health - in addition I'm getting my band tightened today which will reduce my calorie intake drastically - perhaps to as little as 800 a day. Last time this happened there was a small complication and I was unable to keep food down for over a month. I fell in to a "medically acceptable" weight range but my hair was falling out. :( I don't know what to do anymore - do I really want to trade off my brains & sanity to be able to wear a short skirt? Blood tests were run and I had all the vitamins & minerals and my teeth have remained strong, but I was mentally weak and not prepared to go down the Joan Collins wigathon route.

I am fucking fed up and will need to spend the next few days on liquids & purees. Are they really going to write on my tombstone "Nice girl, but never really good get a handle on her weight". Or "RIP mum ya fat-arsed loser!". :(

Sorry for the moaning & despair.

Sorry, correct link here.

Alpine are you sure you are not toning up so gaining muscle and losing fat? Maybe measuring yourself too would help? I'm sorry you are feeling low. I don't really know what to say about having your gastric band fitted except that you want to feel good. So if having the band tightened is shite for a couple of weeks but you'll then feel fab cos you are slimmer then go for it. You need to decide what is an acceptable side effect for you - vomming and no hair but thin, or overweight with hair and good abs.

Hi ho, hi ho off to the scales I go...

B: fruit and yog with bran (heb)
l: jacket, baked beans, salad
d: mixed mushroom and aspargus risotto ( plus 2.5 syns for parmasan)

oh alpine,

I think it might be worth you stopping looking at the numbers, and just concentrating on you for a while... do you have bodyfat scales? might be worth ignoring the weight and just looking at the % ? In case you have a lot of muscle and less fat?
Or might also be worth looking at the paul mckenna stuff - listening to the CDs... very good for changing your perception of yourself (she says not having listened to it in ages, but knowing I feel better when I do)

xx

Weblette - well done woo!

cheese - that sounds very healthy and scrumptious :)

only ouch to the root canal! I don't think I could have it done

Pony interesting article, I don't know what to say about your weight increase it seem most odd as you food lists always sounds so healthy. I think your body does try to cling onto weight and if you have dieted a lot it is harder to trick it to loose it. I think the reason I am loosing consistently is the last time I did any sort of diet was 1996 and so it is quite a novelty for my body at the moment.. Do you have to have a general anesthetic to tighten the band? ((hugs))

Only my teeth are absolutely crap too, I like the eating too much theory very much . I had to have a molar removed when I was pg with DS2, I had a lot of pain in it so had it crowned, followed by a root canal and it didn't stop the pain so in the end the tooth had to go. I am waiting for the false one to be made atm, I'm only 44 ffs and I'm going to have a false tooth I am very depressed about it along with needing varifocals, I feel like I'm falling apart.

forgot to post from me at all!

I did my shred again last night as bowels have been a tad dodgy - didn't think a run was a good idea, but could shred as was close to the bathroom if needed
It did hurt more last night, DOMS kicked in from the night before - but I still did it, and did pretty damn good I think! Will be up to level two next week I think

Darling Pony, don't despair. You know as well as the rest of us that there'll be a hella lot of muscle going on there - I know it sounds like a cop-out to say that, but if two different personal trainers at my gym have said the same, then it must have some truth in it. My PTs both told me to ditch the scales and instead measure myself, and perhaps only weigh in once every 3 weeks. I know this is hopeless for the Big Fat List but you could maybe measure AND weigh? Inch loss means so much more than weight. You can't shit off 2 inches, and that's a fact.

Good luck for band tightening. Can you talk to someone about the effect that it had on you last time, with hairloss etc.? Because that sounds to me (in my ignorant state!) like it's more about lack of nutrients than simply low cals. It might be that if you do have it tightened you have to be sure that everything you eat is (as it currently is!) so healthy you will clearly live forever.

I am about to go to a meeting so will read the article when I get back.

HURRAH to weblette - what a storming loss!

Sorry not to have been on the ball much with everyone's news - just to say to STDG what others have said really - the first step is conscious eating and being honest and aware of what you're putting in your mouth, and you've already triumphed on that front! The next step is amending that, and tinkering with it to find what suits you and your family, and then all the steps after that are loss loss loss hopefully! Look forward to seeing you weigh in perhaps/

Muse I now deeply, deeply what a frappuccino. Thanks for that love. No really

Well, I lost 1.5lb. I am thrilled, what with the weekend of debauchery, food and booze wise. This means that that painful last day of refusing to eat breakfasts one and two has payed off. Am chuffed. Feel like I am proving to myself that I am in control, and not my appetite. This is only a total loss of 5lb so far, but already I am in clothes that haven't looked OK for ages. Yesterday I broke out my 50s circle-skirted shirt dress to choruses of 'Mad Men' (you could get 2 Christina Hendrickses in that dress, but whatevs!!).

Good luck to all remaining Doomers! Look forward to the list!

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Good lord what a long post

Morning everyone, had my weigh in last night and lost a pound and a half, that's a total of 2lb in 2 weeks, feeling a bit deflated because I have put the effort in. I am using the EE plan but not losing at the rate the rest of ye are losing:(

Ob, I am going to put on my cheerleading outfit (you love it you perv ) and say that if you hadn't been doing SW there's a strong chance that in that 2 weeks you might have gained 3 or 4 lbs (if you're anything like me). Which would mean the difference between you now and the 'you' that potentially would have gained is nearly half a stone. does that make sense? Down is down is down.

I know JUST what you mean and I would be pissed off too - we put so much work in, thinking about it all day and all night and resenting the people drinking and eating what they want, and then what do we have to show for it?! - but I do tell myself that sometimes (about the possible gain I mean).

Do you remember when I was doing REALLY badly and everyone gave me lots of advice? Well it worked brilliantly, and I dunno if it's helpful for you but basically I have drastically cut my portion sizes (I have abandoned the words 'unlimited free food' from the vocabulary) and am manically accurate about syns (note that accurate doesn't mean low-syn - I have been having between 7 and 12 a day), and make sure that I am eating both Healthy Extras. Not sure if this is useful to you but I know it's what has got me going. Have a fat-armed hug from me.

You have to admit you do look fab in your cheerleading outfit Bloofer:), when you say you have abandoned the words 'unlimited free food', do you mean that you weigh your free food

No, I don't weigh - I say to myself, 'I do not have to weigh this food!' and enjoy that aspect of it, IYSWIM. But what I no longer do is look at a packet of pasta or noodles and say, "I can eat as much of this as I like, even if it is 10pm and I ahve already had dinner."

You see, before, I would study or read or whatever, and then at 10pm get the munchies and eat like an entire plateful of, for instance, pasta, or stir fry noodles, or whatever. ANd I realised I was abusing the system, you know? So if I cook a main meal I will weigh out anything that is HEA or HEB or synful, but the lean meat and carb I use my eye to establish what I think is a sensible hearty option. It was a bit like re-programming myself, you know?

Sorry for all the 'you knows'!

1.5lbs for me, which I'm a little pissed with as, other than3 Belgian chocs, I've been so good. And exercising.But still, down is down is down eh bloofer.

Well done all! obrigada I do extra easy. I have a non diet sized portion of pasta etc according to what it says on the packaging. So 75g pasta etc. I also do 1/2 plate veg, 1/4 meat, 1/4 carbs.

Right I'm off for a swim this morning so just tackled the jungle bikini line. DH will think he's in for a treat tonight!

Thank you ladies - although truth be told I ate out on Saturday night and I've had ice-cream - in preparation of not being able to eat from today. No GA, not even a local! They just stick a giant needle in and pump saline in and it puffs up like an arm-band. They don't inject in to the band itself, but I have a tube which runs from the band about 8" long and ends just under my natural waist band - it's like feeling a "pencil sharpener" under the skin - so they inject the saline in to that and it fills up the tube & band. There endeth the science.

Forgot to eat breakfast - busy morning. Will need to eat for long drive. Ugh.

Thanks for the advice Bloofer and Cheese, before starting the diet my main vice downfall is take-aways and really felt that without them something major should have shifted but will watch my now not-unlimited free foods this week .

Wow weblette, good going!

Re: teeth; thanks to my mum being a dentist I've had 2x day brushing plus flossing beaten into me so I only have one tiny filling that didn't even need anaesthetic for. Carbonated drinks (even diet ones) are the worst for bad teeth though. The carbonation of water makes an acid so it isn't just about sugar- if you want to see a ranty-ragey thing, just make some passing comment about how great "toothkind ribena" is within earshot of my mum!

Oh Alps that just sucks. If it helps, I would very happily push you over and steal your flat stomach and good lifestyle habits. Good luck for the stomach band tightening today, it sounds quite intense especially with no GA. That article is very interesting on the effects of starvation. There is a very good free e-book of short stories called "Machine of Death" (premise- in the near future there is a machine that takes a small blood sample from you and tells you how you will die, except it is all about the twisted meanings so "Old Age" might mean being mown down by an old age pensioner driving- well, , starvation is in there and it was one of the better stories too)

Hi Cheese- regarding the up/ down DD thing. My DH used to get really cross with me about jiggling our DD about (stop shaking her so hard) he was convinced I was going to give her brain damage but pretending to drop her or throwing her up in the air really makes her squeal with happiness.

Nora again this shred thing is interesting. I can probably manage 30 minutes or so but even with all your encouraging stories, the DOMS thing and running still doesn't appeal in the slightest.

Bloofer You just made me snigger in the office, had to turn it into a coughing fit... "You can't shit off two inches, and that's a fact"... For me, I know it is portion control, less booze and no snacks, utterly dull but there we go.

obrigada Isn't slow and steady 1lb a week the right way to take weight off and keep it off?

I'm registering 2.5 lbs lost this week but feels slightly cheaty as that is probably 2 weeks worth as I couldn't weigh in last week. I'm more than pleased with it though. More on the odd dieting methods of my roomie- it is Dr. Wolf Funfack's Metabolic balance Diet apparently. It's utterly daft but seems based on loads of hot water, and getting yourself up to 5 hours between meals as between hours 4 and 5 the fat burning happens apparently. I'm not recommending this but am weirdly fascinated and I keep quizzing her on what the eating rules are for it.

I think I have lost a bit of weight - it is hard to tell, because when I stepped on the scales last week, the pointer shot right round to zero again - but this morning it stopped short of zero, so I am hoping this means I have lost a pound.

Well done SDTG:)
C4ro, I know that losing weight slowly is the best way to sustain your weight loss, but if I am honest I had hoped to shift at least 5lb in the first couple of weeks to kickstart my journey

obrigada- . Part of the reason I'm so fascinated in roomies diet-thang is as she is getting 2 kg off a week! Oh and update on that, she paid 220 Euros for it, including blood tests and has printouts of stuff she is allowed to eat . Looks like protein rich and lots of weighing everything, even fruit and veg. She has tiny amounts the first two weeks to try and shrink the stomach and practically no carbs. No snacks too- it is 5 hours between meals. I'd have headaches and feel like utter cack if I ate like that.

Weather too nice today, wish I was outside in a park.

Oh God I couldn't wait that long between meals either Cr4o I'd be eating the kitchen worktop and snapping at my nearest and dearest. Wonder if they would be able to tell the difference though....

and I'd like Cr4o's teeth as well, mine are crap and I've avoided a crown this time by a whisker. Think I may not be able to chew on that side of my mouth again ever though in order to keep my new shiny filling on the tooth.

I have enormous gratitude and love for modern dentistry though - in the Death Rolls that used to be published in London listing the numbers and causes of death that week in Olden Days, people used to die of teeth. And I for one am not surprised.

Good luck today Alpine hope the procedure goes smoothly for you with no complications like last time.

Thanks for all the PMs today, keep them coming and I'll publish the List of Doom after DD is in bed. Looks like a good week for most of us.

Food today for me is nothing so far other than lukewarm tea. My tooth socket is so bruised and hurts when touched so I can't bear the thought of chewing and I kept waking myself up all night by closing my jaw accidentally. Roll on tomorrow or the day after. Might try some soup for lunch >

Oh Only sorry about your poor toothy-peg . I haz suffered with similar. Also had a dental abscess that I didn't get treated for 4 years owing to a combination of terror and a charlatan of a dentist that told me it would cost at least £1500 to fix . It ended up affecting my general health so always best to get it seen to I guess .

C4 that sounds MENTAL. I am going to Google it right this minute. 'Funfack'?!

AND how are my fave bunch of dieters this afternoon?

Ah. One o'those weeks, eh? Except for one person who achieved what we all fervently desire and therefore shall remain weblette nameless... Good onya, chica.

Me, I'm down a total of 500g since last DOD. [Don't ask me why I'm doing this in kilos, since I actually grew up in America where everything is in lbs (but NOT stones, which make NO sense to me in my head... actually, maybe that's why...)] I suspect having to weigh in 2x/week (once for TD and once for you lot) is actually good for me, otherwise I lose focus. Did I mention I'm a natural blonde?

Trainloads of sympathy to all those under the weather, doctor-regulated or otherwise. Only, suggest you try what I do whenever feeling queasy and tell myself that if I do end up with a three-day stomach bug, at least I'll lose some weight. On second thought, that's pretty sick, isn't it?

All over the place again today, in case you can't tell. It's the early-onset dementia, I'm sure. Or maybe the 1300-cal diet (thanks for the interesting article, Pony!) I'm totally, TOTALLY there with you on the damn-this-body-why-won't-it-just-GIVE-UP thang. Totally. hope that helps.

off to vacuum up the bits of bark all over my carpet from the stick the dog just dragged in and mangled. My Dyson is my bestest friend these days. :-)

I wonder how Pony is doing....

Well done on the 500g Mandalee! I have no idea what that MEANS. Off to Google a gram to lb converter....

Incidentally have you all read that article Pony linked to?! Fucking hell!