2011 Paul McKenna part two - our final diet

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Welcome etc. blah blah. :)

Hello, hello!!!

Really enjoyed my day and meeting some of you! you are all gorgeous by the way!!!

WMMC, sorry we didn't see you and co at the end ('cept bloomingnora), we kinda got swept along and out the door! ho hum.

I didn't mind Kevin Lay (sp?) and I've had bundles of counselling which in the main has been a total waste of time ~ though I have had hypnosis some 13 years ago which was fab...

Friend was a bit curious about my 'forum friends' and now knows about MN . Luckily, she's not one to use the pc much, so wont persue/peruse our lair

Ktwiltshire, were you on your crutches today in a red/multi coloured top and dark hair?

Morning all - wow that was quite a day wasn't it? :)

Well it worked for me is all I can say and it appears to have worked for my very skeptical mother too who had some big revelations on the way home in the car (which is why we shot off at the end so I could talk to her about them).

I get it! I finally get it! All these years I've found it hard and now it's just not hard at all. And I'm happy.

I'm sorry for those of you who didn't find us. But for those who I did meet, thank you for meeting up - it's always lovely to see people you've been chatting too.

Re Kevin - he's a funny chap, some of the TFT stuff is barking but some of it is very good and useful. I think it was a bit too far down the road for a lot of people - you need to be introduced to this stuff gently for it to be acceptable. If someone walked up to you one day and said 'you have been doing this wrong all your life' tapped you on the head and you were fixed, you'd be fairly dubious (and rightly so).

Right, have to go off and have breakfast as I've already done the shopping, glass recycling and cuddled my lovely children and DH this morning. :)

Oh and I thought the havening technique was fabulous.

Hello everybody,

so sorry i didn't get to meet any of you. I had no access to the internet from 6:30pm on Friday night because we left for London so missed all your 'I'm wearing....' messages.

I think it was a fab day although like you all felt a bit OMG it's going to be shit when the voiceover started at the beggining

I didn't mind the Kevin bloke, but i think WMMC is right it is a bit bizarre to give someone a few taps and they're cured. I also thought that that woman asked him why he was fat

I was dressed in a velvet purple jacket with a sparkly purple scarf (Attractive no?) I have quite long dark brown hair and wear glasses. I've no idea if i saw any of you . I was a bit giddy with my SIL and sat in front of an old couple who looked a bit put out by the swearing

I'm feeling hungry so i'm off for my breakfast!

Hi everyone, sorry I didn't meet any of you, but I just couldn't spot you! I did try asking one group if they were MNers that I suspected, but they looked at me very oddly so I daren't try again.

I was in T 18 and 19, which was the front row onto the central aisle IYKWIM. I was in a black dress red shoes and long black coat, with RL friend with long black hair and red coat if anyone spotted us.

I found the day a bit of a disappointment.

I thought PM was a good presenter as you'd expect, but as I'm already very familiar with the book I felt like I didn't learn much more.

Also I really like the basic golden rule approach to restablishing and normalising your relationship with food, much more than the slightly voodooesque tapping and anchoring of emotions in your fingers type techniques.

I think these things can have a place but I feel they were given too much prominence and fear that people may become to hung up on these 'techniques' to 'save' them rather than really focusing on their relationship with food.

I thought Kevin the tapping guy was very poor. I at least want a little bit of explanation or reasoning about how or why something may work, just to declare that a few Taps can cure you of the emotions linked to a childhood trauma seems very dodgy to me.

Also all that swaying to identify what foods you should eat?? I presume the suggestion there is that your sub conscience knows somehow whether cheese is good for you or not. I'm aware of the theories of sub conscience emotions and thoughts but sub conscience awareness of allergies/intolerernaces/nutrition is very odd indeed IMO, and needed some further explanation. We were being asked to just blindly believe these extraordinarily bizarre claims, and Im afraid that people desperate for a solution will clasp on to anything, just what I thought PM was against??

Anyway, I'm going to give the 4 basic principles and the CD's a go and see how I get on.

But for me it's a shame that something potentially so positive for women with f**ked up relationships to food, is tainted with yet more wild blind claims we are asked to buy into if we Really want to be thin.

Oh and I thought the venue was horrid. Cold and depressing.

I had a nice lunch though, but I did eat ALL of it because I was STARVING HUNGRY by the time we were released for lunch.

The venue was piss poor, i think they must have thought forget the heating today, load of fat well insulated women are coming they won't need the heating on

I keep on thinking come on Paul, you must now anout Maslow and hierarchy of basic needs. I need to be warm or else i can't concentrate!

I must have been the only person there who wasn't cold

ing still!!!

Did anyone catch btw, who the guy was who came up with 'havening'?

I wasn't cold at first, but had a few moments of draught running through the door we were sat near; my friend was freezing though!

I'm really open minded about everything as I've even been known to write and cast spells successfully! so the TFT is perfectly believable to me.
My friend is quite a sceptic about everything though.

MV, I saw an awful lot of red coats yesterday I suppose because I was actively looking! WMMC was the one red jacket I was searching for and didn't find! until the glitterball!!!

Can't remember WMMC...

Hi all,

I had a nice day yesterday. I was Anyfules guest and she was lovely and great company throughout the day. Shame we didn't see anyone else but we couldn't figure it out and lunchtime was taken over by waiting for food and chatting.

I enjoyed the day. I agree the TFT guy was a waste of time. There were a few bits of the day which I didn't think helped me (the craving thing as I just overeat generally I don't really have one thing I can't go without) and the self esteem thing was interesting but I seem to have very high self esteem already even though I am overweight

But I really enjoyed it and hope I have gotten a lot out of it. I guess the next few weeks will tell!

Thanks again to anyfule for the ticket!

Thank you all for giving your feedback, sounds like a mixed bag but has been v interesting reading.

What is havening, wmmc?

Incidentally feel free to add your review to tripadvisor about the venue here

Havening is technically a thought field therapy technique which involves a combination of tapping, eye movement, verbal stimuli, and self soothing which undoes bad emotional thought patterns. It's your typical pattern interrupt therapy but it does seem to work instantly. I can walk you through it if you want? :)

WMMC walk us through it, i can't remember it all

You'd feel a birrofa twat doing it though

Hi all, enjoyed yesterday a lot but was too shy to say hi to any of you (not that I saw anyone I thought was you). I quite enjoyed Kevin Laye altho bizarre but I do find that kind of thing fascinating. Must say tho that I was sat quite near the lady with the bad back and the difference in the way she went up the stairs and came back down was incredible - unless she was a stooge but I dont think she was. The havening 'inventors' are ronald and stephen ruden they have a couple of books on amazon including the craving brain if anyone wants a look. Kevin Layes book is called positive shrinking altho the reviews for his book are varied!! I bought a kebab on the way home from the train last night (to complement my healthy McD's lunch - well we were supposed to eat What you WANT) ate it slowly and left quite a bit. So feeling quite positive and will try and start the journal later. Good luck everyone xx

finally made it to the computei quite liked kevin laye (sp?) but i am quite a hippy! the TFT tapping stuff was advised to me by a psychiatrist a good few years ago as a coping technique do not doing a self destructive behaviour, and it worked well for me then, and i havent done said behaviour for over 3 years now.

i have been eating consciously since, didint have dinner last night as just wasnt hungry, had some breakfast mid morning, i must admit i have been snacking on bacon whilst lunch is being made, but i am hungry, and im really enjoying it!

i have kevins card, he has offered me a session, he was the one PM was going to recommend to doing this specifically also with an eating disorder, specifically bulimia (found it hard to deal with the bit in the day where the woman said that once youve eaten it you cant get rid of it...thats my problem!!!). but like he said it would either be in london or in his home, so would involve a lot of childcare engineering again! will be emailing him for more info.

sunday roast today, all the kids around, the house is a wonderful mess!!

hope everyone else is having a brilliant day and a good start!
(dont forget to do your journals)

I feel like things have changed for me.

I stayed with my brother and he has two sets of bathroom scales and I didn't weigh myself. Or want to. I feel completely uninterested in food/weight etc.

It's actually left a void in my life. I feel a bit bereft....

New hobby, here I come!

I feel a bit that that bloomingnora, i'm going to weigh myself tomorrow on the health centre scales because it calculates your height, weight and BMI. After that i think i just weigh myself every few weeks.

For me i think the biggest liberator is eating what i actually want/fancy without any guilt. I always lose weight when i'm pregnant and i'm sure it is because i have this kind of attitude.

My DH has just bought us both an ipod shuffle and he's going to transfer the CDs onto them so we can both listen everynight.

I feel quite positive but tomorrow will be the test for me being able to eat consciously whilst being really busy at work!

I just ate consciously but suddenly craving something sweet. Wish I could remember the sodding tap sequence!

Under eye
Collar bone
Under eye
Back of hand
Side of hand
Then what??

Okay, I'm back.

Havening:

Stand or sit comfortably with your feet flat on the floor.

Keeping your head still look down to your right.

Look down to your left.

Take your eyes in a circle clockwise all the way round

Take your eyes in a circle anti-clockwise all the way round.

Close your eyes

Cross your arms across your body as if you are cold and giving yourself a hug and stroke down your arms from the top of your arms to your wrists, on both sides together.

Now continue this stroking and count outloud from one to twenty stroking once for each number as if you are walking down the stairs.

Now open your eyes.

Look down to the right

Look down to the left.

Circle your eyes clockwise

Circle your eyes counter clockwise

Hum a few bars of Happy Birthday.

Close your eyes

Count outloud one to five.

Repeat the havening strokes (down your arms five more times)

Look at the inside of your eyelids.

Reinforce a positive message to yourself.