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2011 Paul McKenna part two - our final diet

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whomovedmychocolate · 16/02/2011 21:17

Welcome etc. blah blah. :)

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whomovedmychocolate · 20/02/2011 18:16

Blinder - use the craving CD, it's on there. Or the book if you have it - its in there too.

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whomovedmychocolate · 20/02/2011 18:17

and yes I do have a fucking good memory. Wink

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solo · 20/02/2011 18:19

glad you gave us that WMMC, I'd forgotten too...

solo · 20/02/2011 18:20

And what was the tiny circular pressures for at the eye sockets again please?

blinder · 20/02/2011 18:24

WMMC yes that's it. But the second eye movement after the stairs is ceiling-floor-right-left isn't it?

Can't get to cd player at moment!

nikki1978 · 20/02/2011 18:33

Aren't you supposed to tap both your clooar bones during the first part of the havening thingy?

AlwaysbeOpralFruitstome · 20/02/2011 19:15

Yes Nikki tap to begin, then wasn't it eyes closed, eyes open before the look down to right, down to left.

Then after the 'down the stairs count down' it was the up/down/middle stop. Right/left/middle stop (cross)then the deep breathe and Om whilst doing the havening stroke 5 times.

Confusing as it's not dissimilar to the craving buster tapping.

blinder · 20/02/2011 19:27

Yes that sounds right OpalFruits

lililolo · 20/02/2011 19:38

I've just blogged about yesterday if anyone wants to come moan about how bloody cold it was ladyblahblahs.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/i-can-make-you-freeze/

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whomovedmychocolate · 20/02/2011 20:04

To get rid of bad feelings solo. It was fairly generic as a moodlifter.

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OliveonthepaulMcKennaBus · 21/02/2011 00:09

Hi all
Finally got to sit down at a computer after making a weekend of it with friends in London. First of all, it was lovely to meet up with a few of you over lunch and in the afternoon. It's nice to be able to put faces to a few names. Sorry I didn't get to see the rest of you.

Well, I really enjoyed the seminar and found it very emotional. I'd only been doing the programme for a couple of weeks anyway and was still getting into it, but this definitely sealed the deal for me, and in fact, nora and kt witnessed my ripping up my WeightWatchers card when I came across it in my bag at the afternoon interval!

I think there's definitely been a switch in me and I'm feeling that I'm in control of the food rather than the food controlling me for the first time iyswim. For example, this morning, my lovely friend cooked a big fry up breakfast and I just had a bit of egg, half a sausage and a small bit of bread, where I would normally have scoffed a plate full.

And at lunchtime, I was the last to finish - an absolute first. In fact I was getting annoyed with DS for scoffing chips back without "tasting" them. Is that how people have seen me for all these years?

I thought PM was a v charismatic presenter (and he was sweary enough even for MN Grin), and really enjoyed some of his one-to-one sessions on stage. The lady who craved chocolate was hilarious. Mikaela with the self image problem was quite moving - it was interesting, however, that he picked on someone who was actually quite attractive to do that exercise. I wonder what the outcome would have been if he'd picked a real minger!

I'm still not sure about some of the tapping stuff, and like some of you I was very sceptical of Kevin Laye - all a bit woo/faith-healery for my liking. I was also one of the few who didn't really get the havening thing.

I've been thinking a lot today about the whole thing and I think my brain is still processing the information but I do feel that there has been some sort of switch going on - and also the beginning of a feeling of relief to no longer be obsessed by food. In fact, I can feel tears forming just typing that last sentence.

OliveonthepaulMcKennaBus · 21/02/2011 00:15

Oh and one more thing - it really resonated when PM stressed the whole thing about not being a "bad person" for being overweight, just someone who has poorly programmed eating habits. That is SOOOO going to get trotted out the next time someone has a "I hate lardy people" thread.

bloomingnora · 21/02/2011 08:43

Hi Olive,

Your post has actually made me a bit teary too! I have such a sense of relief at the moment. It all just made very good sense. I loved it when you ripped up your weightwatchers card. It was one of my favourite bits of the day Grin (and meeting WMMC's mum who is lovely! But we now know where you get your stubborn streak Grin)

I think that the reason that I didn't like Kevin Lay was because he started talking about limiting food (albeit in a food intolerance type way) and I had really loved the fact that there had been no previous emphasis on that. It sort of spoiled it for me a bit. I could feel myself starting to think 'maybe there are some foods that I shouldn't eat. Yes, no bread, that will help me' and I really had to steer my brain away from that.

I actually tried that leaning thing out on my brother and his girlfriend (getting them to think yesyesyesyes or nononono) and do you know what? It's bollocks. I didn't tell them what was meant to happen, just asked them to stand there and relax. And they did and I just said think yesyesyesyes or nononono and if they did lean which was about 50% of the time it was not consistent with the no and yes at all. Not the most scientific experiment but it was conclusive enough for me to think actually this is a bit like making a pendulum from your wedding ring and a strand of hair to tell you the sex of your baby. I am reading Ben Goldacre at the moment so am in full on suspicious mode Grin

Someone said earlier on that they thought there was an element of suggestion about it. I would be interested to see what would have happened if he had done it right at the beginning when there was no group feeling and people were all a bit pissy about the cold and the constant seat moving! It seemed a bit Hmm that sometimes yes will be forwards and sometimes it will be backwards....well that's lucky then, Kevin, now you can't be wrong. Sorry, those of you that liked him Smile

I looked in the mirror this morning and again thought, yeah, ok, I'm not perfect but I accept it. This is happening more and more. I feel a bit 'mended'. I am not convinced it will last but I am quietly optimistic.

ktwiltshire · 21/02/2011 09:18

fell asleep to the CD last night, working through them systematically one a night, also did the mirror exercise before bed last night - i probably wasnt ready to do it in my PJs, not the best idea but i gave it a go. also have placed journal in my bedside table so i can write in it at night, did that last night, felt good i must say.

had a piece of toast for breakfast this morning with a cup of tea, pleasantly full Smile

solo · 21/02/2011 11:02

I had a text from my friend this morning. She said that she feels more positive and relaxed; she says it's weird but nice :)

Excellent I say!

bloomingnora · 21/02/2011 12:33

Just had a long and interesting chat with my NLP life coach friend. Was very nice to dissect the day with someone who was really knowledgeable and positive about it.

One piece of toast for breakfast here too,KT. A year ago if you had told me I wouldn't need to eat again after that for 5 hours I would have been Hmm

solo · 21/02/2011 12:44

What did your friend think bloomingnora? did the dissection make more or less sense of it all for you?

bloomingnora · 21/02/2011 12:57

She is trained by a different and slightly less commercial (or maybe less commercially successful!) NLP guy (whose name I can't remember). It was good because I would start describing something that happened and she would get very excited, say what it was called (which I would have forgotten) and then say isn't it great! I also told her what my reactions and thoughts about the various bits were and we kind of followed them up a bit! It really helped to consolidate what I had thought since Saturday. I got the impression that although she is devoted to NLP she hadn't neccessarily rated PM that highly (due to her teacher's low opinion of him, perhaps) until we had the conversation. By the end of it she thoroughly approved of.

I feel like I am more convinced that I will live like this forever with every passing moment. I'll rephrase that. I AM more convinced that I will live like this forever with every passing moment. I am also not afraid of the moments when I will fuck it up and overeat. And that is a VERY new thought for me.

I am genuinely interested to see what happens next. I now haven't weighed myself for weeks. I have no idea how much I weigh for the first time in about 15 years (my obsession with how fat I am predates my obsession with weighing myself to check how fat I am!).

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whomovedmychocolate · 21/02/2011 15:25

Hello all.

Well bloomingnora, if you think my mum is stubborn you should see me when I get the bit between my teeth Grin

Gosh this is so damn easy. I feel so happy about myself and know I can do whatever I please, not just lose weight.

As for the weight, well my (size 14) jeans are too big. I bought them in January and they were slightly too tight. I can now get them off without undoing them Grin

Have just been buying some NLP books in the Oxfam bookshop - am getting quite into this stuff. Will have to ask DH for Richard's number at this rate to ask him dumb questions. Grin

I'm skipping the weighing in the journal though. When my size 12 jeans fall down I'll mosey on down to Boots and ask the 20p oracle to weigh me Wink But no hurry.

I could snog Paul McKenna. I really could. Not because I fancy him because, despite his limited patience, he's doing a bloody great job. :)

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UrsulaBuffay · 21/02/2011 16:09

Not sure I'm eating much less at the minute, probably am eating a bit more like a normal person. Have eaten when not hungry a couple of times today am feeling happier in myself though.

Someone commented that I have lost some weight since xmas the other day, which is good. Am not into the tapping and stuff though I have to admit.

Well done on the jeans wmmc! Everyone sounds very positive, I am also convinced that this is it for me and I will never diet again. Haven't weighed for a couple of weeks, not interested.

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whomovedmychocolate · 21/02/2011 16:47

itsonlyajob - first of all I try drinking some water because that can cause you to feel that way. Then I think about 'am I actually hungry, or is something eating me that I need to deal with'.

And if you still want to eat something - put it on a plate, sit down at the table and eat consciously.

And Ursula - stop beating yourself up. Being happy is probably good as a first goal, and it's as big a part of being how you want to be as the size of your bottom :)

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nevergoogle · 21/02/2011 17:40

hellooooo!
so where were you all?
I was sitting with ppeafruit who was very proud of her pom bear badge and made it known i was a party pooper for not having one.
I got home at 1.30am last night, so very tired today but sticking to the rules and feeling good.
were any mumsnetters wearing a lovely purply military coat by any chance?

JuicyOlive · 21/02/2011 18:06

nevergoogle
some of us were in the prearranged lunch meeting place under the disco ball y'know Wink.

Am experimenting with new names after wmmc and nora told me that I was being a bit negative comparing myself <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.virginmedia.com/images/on-the-buses-olive-290x400.jpg&imgrefurl=www.virginmedia.com/tvradio/cult-tv/trivia/60s-stars-where-are-they-now.php%3Fssid%3D19&h=400&w=290&sz=36&tbnid=XriIQxMayNkMOM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dolive%2Bon%2Bthe%2Bbuses&zoom=1&q=olive+on+the+buses&hl=en&usg=__GtyGAhspSpcSEuwPWMjYNYra8YI=&sa=X&ei=F6hiTZ6GOoLHswbkx-D2Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CCEQ9QEwBA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">with this lovely lady. What do you think, JuicyOlive, Oliveonapizza, Stuffed Olive, OliveOrLetDie, any other suggestions?

JuicyOlive · 21/02/2011 18:09

bloomingnora - I love the Ben Goldacre book, especially the Gillian McKeith section.