Has anyone NOT regained weight after stopping WLI?

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I’ve just read the responses to another thread about what happens when you stop WLI. The majority or people say they’ve regained all weight lost. This is so depressing.

I’m at my target weight now, after losing 3 stone on 5mg, and am terrified of regaining when I stop. I’ve injected 2.5mg for the last 2 weeks and already feel my appetite increasing. I’m tracking calories (1500 - I’m 5ft 1), run 5k 3x a week and walk at least 10,000 steps a day so I’m doing what I should (I think?). Anyone not regained? And what have you done?

You are saying most people hear voices in their head? As far as I know this is usually an indicator of severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, dementia or other degenerative neurological conditions, or in some cases PTSD or auditory hallucinations due to extreme fever or induced by drugs. Hearing imaginary voices is taken to indicate that someone is extremely mentally or physically unwell. I’m very surprised to hear you describe this as something normal! Surely the person would be very scared and frightened by this and seek immediate medical help if they were not mentally ill? Having thoughts and hearing non-existent sounds and voices are not the same thing!

Of course I have thoughts! I don’t hear voices though! Thoughts aren’t sounds.

Don’t be silly @LivingInMinecraft people perceive this internal “voice” as an internal narrative, a mental voiceover if you will. They are not saying they hear voices as if they are schizophrenic and suffering from aural hallucinations. You seem fixated on this and determined to misunderstand. I’m wondering why.

A thought isn’t a “voice” though is it, or a “noise”, or “chattering” or “a narrative” as different posters have described it, all implying an actual imagined sound and that thoughts are formulated into words as if you were trying to express something to someone else, rather than just ideas that don’t require formulating in language at all (otherwise you’d be implying that humans had no thoughts before they developed language! Trying to “think” in words would slow it down by a factor of ten at least because language is a poor proxy for thought, which we’ve developed to communicate with other humans more effectively because we don’t have telepathy, but obviously is not necessary to translate thoughts into when one is thinking in isolation).

I was just fascinated and perturbed by these descriptions of people saying they hear actual “noise” or verbal narratives or voices in their heads, and it’s no less disturbing if they are “hearing” their own voice when they’re not actually speaking! I would call emergency mental health services and be terrified if that happened to me and think I was suffering psychosis so I was genuinely shocked to hear people on the thread describe this as “normal”.

No, quite the opposite. I really am trying to understand. I find the whole idea of an “internal narrative” instead of actual thoughts really bizarre!

Anyway…. Glad to read the posts about people who have maintained since stopping the injections so thanks to those people for posting.

Try and work out if you can regain the muscle mass you lost.

@LivingInMinecraft it’s not instead of “actual thoughts”, fgs. It’s as well as. It’s not some bizarre idea that people here are making up and we are not all schizophrenic.

Have a read of this, for example: https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/intersections/202304/inner-monologues-what-are-they-and-whos-having-them/amp

I mean yes and no. It’s silent but it’s a narrative in words ie I must remember to do the laundry or I really fancy a chocolate bar. Or thinking through something I might write and articulating the words

I absolutely do think in words, and full sentences, exactly the same as when I’m talking to another person. And yes it is a “narrative” and yes it is a “voice”. It’s MY voice though, I’m not “hearing voices” as you keep insisting. It’s entirely normal.

Food noise is when that internal voice (or monologue, or narrative, or thought or whatever you feel comfortable calling it) turns repeatedly to food. For instance “What am I having for dinner? How long is it till dinner? Might I have a little snack before dinner? What have I got to snack on? Do I need to pop to the shop to get a snack?”

Frankly your multiple posts about psychosis, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder etc are utterly bizarre and uncalled for.

FFS. The “internal narrative” IS the “actual thoughts”.

I won’t be stopping.

there’s not a diet in the world that I haven’t put weight on after and I know if I stop injecting then food noise and my raging appetite will return.

Thanks for posting this. That is so weird, I had no idea some people did that. It sounds completely exhausting! I genuinely would seek immediate medical help if that happened to me because I would not be able to stand it, it must be awful. I really am shocked if the article is correct and 30%+ of people live their life putting up with that. Do they only get any peace when they sleep?

It must also be very counterproductive to have a layer of language in between your thoughts and your conscious mind and having to filter everything through that given the inherent limitations of language to express ideas precisely. It would slow down your thinking so much and limit it to only those concepts which your particular language has words to express. Fascinating but really disturbing!

Thoughts aren’t a narrative though, they’re not words. Words can be used to try to communicate them approximately but they are not the same thing, otherwise you’d have to believe humans had no thoughts before they developed language!

@LivingInMinecraft maybe start your own thread to discuss this, as this is massively derailing this one.

Just to say, it’s normal for people who have an internal monologue. It’s not exhausting it’s just how I think, just as how you think is not exhausting. I am very capable of imagining what your internal life might be like without language. I find it weird that you cannot fathom what it might be like for others who are different to you.

As it happens, an internal dialogue has been shown to speed up language processing tasks, not slow them down.

You are not listening. It’s not a “layer of language in between your thoughts and conscious mind”. The language IS your thoughts. The thoughts are expressed in words.

Could you please stop going on about how disturbing and weird and shocking it is. Every one of your posts has been outrageously insulting. If you mention seeking immediate medical help one more time I swear I’m going to throw something.

Clearly your mind operates differently. That doesn’t make the rest of us lunatics.

Some people don’t have a mind’s eye @LivingInMinecraft- mind blowing eh? 🤯

Wow there’s no need for personal insults. I was genuinely surprised to learn about this as it’s hard to imagine and must be horrible for people. Why would anybody be aware of something like this if they don’t experience it. It’s not something anyone else could be expected to know as they’re not inside other people’s heads, and I’ve never heard anybody discuss or mention experiencing talking/ “chatter”/ voices in their head before. It makes some sense of the phrase “food noise” which I had never understood. Sorry that you’ve taken a perfectly reasonable and quite interesting discussion personally and felt the need to insult people.

The pills alter insulin resistance which many of us ex fatties have. It puts us back to our younger, healthy balance.

My narrative is words. They are silent but i visualise them. For example i can draft work stuff in my head and then later type it out quickly.

It's a little bizarre that you say others are insulting when you haven't taken on board that you have been insulting other people's internal thought mechanisms by saying they are 'weird', 'horrible,' disturbing etc. And, as for language shaping thought, there have been many studies on the subject. Noam Chomsky has quite a lot to say on the matter in the field of Lingusitics. The Hopi have a different view of time than ours and one view is that language and thought are intertwined in that representation. Maybe do some reading in the area.

Very common it’s 30-50% of people. I was shocked to discover some people don’t have it!

What personal insult? There were no insults in my post. And frankly you have no right accusing anyone of being insulting after the way you’ve behaved in this thread. I suggest you go back and read all your posts.

You have accused all those who experience food noise, and later everyone who thinks in words, of suffering from psychosis, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder. You’ve said repeatedly that it warrants immediate medical intervention. You have, again and again, called it weird, shocking, horrible and a dozen other negative terms. I can’t believe you don’t see how incredibly rude and insulting all of that is.

You refuse to listen to anyone. Even in this post you continue to refer to “voices in their head” despite being told repeatedly that no-one is hearing voices. You keep using that phrase because it fits with the mental illness narrative you’re so insistent on pushing.

I can’t imagine not thinking in words and I could not care less if you think that means I need emergency transportation to a mental asylum.

I don’t think anyone on Mumsnet has ever made me as angry as I am now.

Honestly, I’d just ignore it, I read the posters comments with a raised eye brow and it reads to me they sre being disingenuous and playing faux innocent whilst trying to offend.

weight loss injections brings out the worst in some people. People who can’t get them, best to ignore.

How do those of you tapering down, injecting less frequently or otherwise in some kind of maintenance manage your buying relationship with your pharmacist providers? They can object to pens being open and used for longer than 30 days, and the other ways people use MJ contrary to how they are strictly licensed to prescribe?! (Already wondering how to play this when I get to where I want to be in about 3 months, hopefully!)