Big price increases thread 2

[LifeOfAShowGirl]

Lots of very useful discussions going on on the old thread, so I thought I would continue it!

You don't understand why someone would do something differently to you so think shaming them is the way to go

They might be reinspected. It will depend on the evidence they have shared with the GPhC and if/when the GPhC can fit them in. Reinspection's do not always happen after immediately after enforcement ends (think their enforcement notice deadline was sometime last month).

If they have made adequate improvements, which they have visibly putting a lot of work into, and some of the changes they had to make were pretty basic, the medication storage for example was that they didn't have logs to show the fridge temperatures were consistent, it did not say the medication was not stored safely. If they now have a log (or even a thermometer that logs temperatures) of someone checking the temp 4 times a day that is now covered....very simple.

If anything is outstanding, the GPhC will put them on an improvement plan before even thinking of stopping them trading.

The GPhC's objective is not to stop anyone trading unless they are unsafe and do not improve, their role is to ensure pharmacies are operating safely and they will support them doing that.

I think she was stupid, she should have waited to regroup, work out a sensible strategy and then announce it. It was very obvious that Lilly were going to cap orders before the price increase, they have done that before in times of “unusual demand patterns” and if they hadn’t then they would have a supply problem themselves which could impact their contractual obligations eg to the NHS. So they were never going to be able to fulfil everyone ordering three pens. The e-mail that went out on Friday with a two pen limit was far more professional and appropriate.

But all that said, I don’t think she was malicious or that there was an ulterior motive. I just think she’s a bit inexperienced and panicked at the announcement.

You're shaming and judging whilst letting people know how you'd never do such thing, comes across as a little bit sanctimonious. Maybe you're right, maybe you're not but maybe try to understand why people are making these choices and a little understanding even though you believe it's wrong.

Other than the fact that another poster had pointed out that it’s blatant misinformation, if you’ve not used them why do you care so much?

My main point was that I think telling all about the amazing amount of money saved is a little unkind as there will be those for whom this is not an option.
Its all about having a little bit of decorum and not advertising yourself as a little lacking in empathy.
I understand why some posters stockpiled. I really do. But don't show off about it perhaps?

@WeAllHaveWingsmy understanding is that this was a step beyond inspection - they had an official enforcement order. This means to improve or face being shut down. Hopefully they’ve turned it around

I don’t think it’s showing off. I’ve been called all sorts of names for doing it, so I explained why I’d done it.

There is no misinformation in my posts. I have linked to the enforcement notice. If they do not improve - which they may have - the next step would be to shut them down.

I care, because people on here are struggling money wise and putting pens on credit cards in a panic all because Oushk have said ‘it’s ok to stockpile’ and that they will keep prescribing after - I’m saying that’s not a guarantee.

You keep stating they’re on for an urgent re-inspection even though you’ve been told that’s false. You’re another who’s gleeful about this fact.

A lot of online pharmacies have invested into and developed their weight loss offering including taking on extra staff, developing websites and customer support.

Of course Hira was upset, like others their business model is being trashed.

They have all been caught on the hop at the price increase announcement and only having two weeks notice. Given the level of price increases they are all concerned there will be a drop in MJ take up hence the race to push Wegovy as an alternative.

Lots of posters seemed to have been able to purchase supplies from a range of online pharmacies. Some pharmacies are more than willing to to accept new customer orders but only limiting to one pen. Some pharmacies are not taking on new MJ customer. Some pharmacies have temporarily stopped taking orders at all.

The MJ order rush would have happened irrespective of what Oushk did, with the price increase being applied strictly from start of September.

I think for those posters who want to but cannot afford to stockpile, it came across as a little 'look how much I have spent and what I have saved'. Repeatedly.
But again, the written word is easily misconstrued.
Anyhow. I understand why you did it. And I understand why others have done or would do. And whilst it is not what I would have done (genuine, not sanctimonious although I totally get why it reads that way and apologies for that), I'm glad you are now sorted.
Maybe it is (questionable!) wisdom of age - I am 54 and have adopted a 'what will be will be' approach to this debacle. (which will probably come back to bite me in the bum, watch this space)

The cynic in me says Eli Lilly did this on purpose. The way it was announced, a “random” person on the Reddit page who just so happened to work at a pharmacy and had seen the new list prices, and posted a confidential document, stinks to me.

I ordered early from boots, I'm just one jab in from my last pen. They ok'd it but I can't collect for three weeks.

Just stop it. You’re being silly. No-one is gleeful a business they have no personal interest in is in trouble with regulators. What would my possible motivation be for that?

when the photos upload you will see the enforcement date and the enforcement deadline. There are no untruths at all in my posts - if there were I would acknowledge and apologise.

Yes but as another poster has told you. If they provide evidence before that date, they won’t be re-inspected.

I’d also say that as it’s currently nearly 3 weeks past the enforcement date, they’re not on the brink of shutting down like you’re trying to say!

Oh for gods sake I’ve not said they’re on the brink of shutting down. I’m not convinced you are actually an adult at this point!

You’re calling me and other posters, such as @QueenOfHiraeth, liars. That really must be a breach of MN talk guidelines.

A number of posters on this and the previous thread have asked you to consider being more measured in your cawing about your financial savings from stockpiling. You’re obviously lacking basic manners, nevermind a bit of empathy to others on this thread.

Calling me a dick, twat, liar etc is okay? If you’re going to personally attack people for doing something you disagree with, expect them to clap back.

It is you who is calling other posters liars. Are you gettting confused?

I haven’t used any name-calling.

Honestly I not sure if all the Oushk inspection chat is relevant to a thread on price increases.

All the pharmacies need to tighten up on things like height proof. I ordered from another online pharmacy on Friday and there was no height checking process. Just taking me at my word. I think most of them would be whacked on the knuckles for that.

In my view it's the holier than though side of the British public that disappoints me as much. The vast majority of people aren't out with the intention to harm others as your posts seem to imply. They have their reasons and they're doing what they believe is right. Whether that's right or wrong in the grand scheme of things I don't think is your place to judge. So maybe a little understanding and empathy..

i don’t know what they’re expecting for the height verification though? They ask for your NHS app - but my height in there is what I told them it is! I regularly email my GP to update my weight, so they’re just taking us at our word for that

But see, this also comes across as a bit sanctimonious and holier that thou...

"I am disappointed in the behaviour of the British Public"
"You are judgy and it is something I would never do"

See how easily it is done?

Written words on a screen are a bugger. They can be read with all sorts of intent that may not actually be there.