What opinion about WLI would you not normally admit to?

[LittleMissContrari]

Do you have an unpopular or unpalatable opinion?

Mine is that if you can't do the maths, you probably shouldn't be messing about with the dosage.

That I kind of wish I could use them. I have a lot of food noise but am underweight so it would be a really bad idea.

@SilenceInside It’s not the hill I want to die on, but I think some people are really strange about paying if they think the NHS might. I see it all the time, people who happily spend loads on other things but won’t pay for physio or podiatry or the dentist because they think the NHS should, even though it would hugely benefit them. Obviously loads of us do not have that attitude and are getting on with paying for WLI, hence the huge numbers. But there are many people who I think are in some way prevented from taking the opportunity to help their own health because they are waiting for the NHS to do it.

People who take a break when they are on holiday so they can enjoy themselves need help with disordered eating that WLI's can't fix.

I've been on holidays while taking the jabs and still enjoyed the food - just much less of it.

Too many people aren't eating enough. They shouldn't be treating this as a crash diet.

I mistype mg and ml so sorry @FoxRedPuppy and @perimenopoppet If you knew what I did in real life you'd be shocked. Believe me I know the difference. I come on mumsnet partly to relax so my brain just isn't in gear.

Anyhow I know it could be dangerous if people don't realise so I will try harder!

I'd also like people to use the fecking search function. How many threads have started with what do you wish you knew before you started....

And I hate the term golden dose.

Yeah the holiday thing annoys me. And constant talk about not losing quickly enough, when they are comfortably losing 0.5-1lb a week.

@marymaryquitecontrary42 I’m a massive twatty pedant about stuff like that. I know it doesn’t really matter if people understand the meaning. But I do notice it and correct it in my head 😂

As seen every day on Facebook:

“Eat what you want hun, it’s all about staying in a calorie deficit! Calories in vs calories out!”

Not all calories are created equal.
Surely 500kcal of Pringles will do something different to your body and metabolism than 500kcal of grilled chicken breast and salad.

I read it so often it makes me want to scratch my eyes out.

Utterly fed up the total lack of understanding about clinical research & drug licensing.
Lilly don't have the data to support prescribing to overweight but not obese people without additional issues. If they had the data they would be pushing for access to that far larger market.
So the endless "I think they should let people with a BMI of 26 have MJ" type posts make me want to scream.

(also mg/ml & people who can't calculate their own partial bloody dose shouldn't be taking outwith the standard doses etc)

That the information given with the drug from pharmacy’s should be more explicit.

aka “Alcohol and saturated fatty foods are among the known risks for pancreatitis and gallstones so don’t fucking take them”.

Rather than “stick to a healthy diet”

(I think it's pragmatic for it to be available on the NHS, along the lines of statins, and should be available for anyone with the criteria we have to meet).

I think that there should be no distance selling for WLI, I also think it should be available to a wider demographic, and that as long as a pharmacist has conducted a face to face consultation they should be able to use discretion (within far broader guidelines)

I agree, people wouldn’t be able to lie then, either. I’d rather be able to pick up my prescription from a local pharmacy, and be weighed there, but I’m not aware of any locally

Anyone who can’t follow basic dosing instructions and ends up double-dosing because they were “in a hurry” should seriously reconsider whether they’re capable of using this medication safely. If you’re a danger to yourself through carelessness, stop before you do real harm

If you can't do the very basic maths don't mess with doses

Those that play armchair pharmacists, don't understand the concept of unknown risk, and encourage others to dose more frequently than the standard dosing schedule, or use a pen weeks beyond 30 days, you are endangering people. You should be ashamed.

If you are not medically eligible but think you know better than the medical experts, that's be a big clue that you are incapable of proper risk assessment.

If you are relying on suppression you will fail

Read, and understand, the bloody leaflets. If you can't be bothered don't be surprised when things go wrong, or when you get blunt replies.

Anyone using twee phrases such as mango, golden needs to remember this is a prescription medication not a bloody tiktok smoothie cleanse

Thankfully there is a thread hide thread button

If you can't get over taking a photo and your GP knowing you are taking the medication you probably have bigger issues that need sorting out and this medication is not a good idea for you until you do.

I really dislike the hypocrisy when on people on here lay into people for wanting to take WLIs with a BMI of 28 or 29, and yet then give instructions about how to get the unprescribed dose or fiddle about with clicks and dosages.

OK. I would NEVER say this to anyone.
That, with weight loss injections, I don't understand why anyone is still fat.
(With exception of the very very few people who they don't work for or who have medical conditions that mean they can't take them. But in my mind that is a very small percentage).

I have a colleague who has piled on the pounds over the years. I just look at her and think "Why would you still be fat?"

I'm an awful person, I know...

I think it's utterly ridiculous how many people who don't need it are buying it off label. I know soooo many people who have been too lazy to eat well and go to the gym on it.
I'm not talking about those with a clinical need. I'm talking about those who only have a stone or 2 to lose using it purely for vanity.

Because they can't afford to (including I volunteer for a charity and come across a lot of women who don't have access to family money even when seemingly wealthy on the outside)

Because they have tried them and experienced unbearable side effects (quite a few people I know who were gutted to have to give them up)

Because they are worried about the side effects/long term effects and want to "wait and see" a bit longer

Because they are taking other medication/have other conditions and don't want risk adding anything else to the mix.

That's just a few examples that spring to mind

People who come off it for two weeks to go on holiday are doomed to failure because they’re not changing their mindset. It actually really annoys me.

Can't afford them.
Concerned about gastric side effects as already have GERD and IBS.
My overweight is due to medication side effects and eating disorder.
Am walking 12 000 steps a day and managing that way, but my BMI is 30.
You probably didn't want an answer - sorry!

I think this thread is meant for voicing opinions on WLI that you wouldn't say out loud, rather than for debating/defending said opinions!

I have a similar opinion to @Ruthietuthie there are women in my social circle/I see on the school run who I know are not hard up, and have access to family money who would really benefit from WLI rather than yo-yo dieting, so I kind of think if you can afford it and you meet the criteria, why wouldn't you at least give it a go..

I think that they can be dangerous. And I speak as someone that has used them.

I'm pretty sure I was showing signs of the beginnings of pancreatitis. An annual blood test came back with some dodgy results and I'd started to have side effects/symptoms that eventually I worked out might be due to this. But because I'd bought the WLI online, I wasn't being monitored.

I'd stopped using them due to the side effects (hadn't made all the links at that point) but could easily have carried on with them and made myself ill.

So while I think they're fabulous tool to assist weight loss, I also think the risks are greater than we want to believe.

@Slightyamusedandsilly
Similar viewpoint but mine is related to the risk of becoming underweight. I've never had an eating disorder, or starved myself for any longer than a day or two. But my bmi got as low as 19.5 on maintenance and I really had to get a grip of myself and stop losing weight. I could very easily just carried on losing. I loved the feeling of not feeling hungry, skipping meals, chasing and achieving another half stone. I think we're going to see a lot of seriously underweight women (who were eligible when they started) on these drugs in the near future.

They might have invisible health conditions or medications that prevent them from taking them. History of eating disorders.

Also when I was in an abusive relationship no one knew I didn’t have access to money.

Yes! I was driven to get to about 9 1/2 stone. Not that low for my height, but lower than I've ever been. But why? Actually, I looked best at 10 1/2. I was haggard.

And given that it was starting to damage my health, why? For me, it was the success FINALLY of being able to lose weight after a while lifetime of dieting and not being able to lose it.

Well I am giving some of the reasons people might not. I am surprised people lack the imagination to think of them themselves but there we are