The amount of cheating the system is scary

[Adultautismdiagnosis]

I find it so concerning how many people on here and beyond are perfectly happy to cheat the system to get MJ e.g. people taking photos of their scales while holding a weight behind their back so they look heavier. Another example is a friend of mine who knows someone finishing MJ so she's going to buy her remaining pens off her. She only needs to lose a stone and is on no way in need of weight loss injections.

It's also concerning the amount of people giving medical advice on here when they are in no way qualified or experienced e.g advising people on supplements to take, advising people to count clicks etc.

Then those that are in 1000+ calorie deficit a day.

It's all just so completely unregulated and rather worrying.

I know I'll get slated. I'm on MJ legitimately myself and need it. I just worry that the more this stuff happens the more likely it is that people will get seriously ill. I also worry they'll make the process so difficult that it'll put off people who genuinely need it.

as I said I’m really not bothered about what other people think
my weight is stable and I’m not overweight
I look and feel amazing
I have had 0 issues with it in the last 15 months of me taking it
fake or not. It absolutely works

I know a breastfeeder on it - who only has about a stone to lose. Not prescribed by GP. I assume it’s safe with breastfeeding(?) but still not a risk I’d be willing to take as I also assume there can’t be testing on it really due to ethics of testing on lactating women?

I imagine it's because the upper end of the healthy BMI range has no worse health outcomes than the bottom, and actually shows lower all cause mortality as far as I can remember. So there's no need, for health purposes, to go below the upper end of health.

I’m pretty sure you’re not meant to take it while breastfeeding. I purposefully stopped my 2.5-year-old’s last night-feed so I could start Mounjaro.

Where are all these 20mg pens, people with only a stone to lose and mums bf coming from? Odd coincidence/ faux concern?

@BlueLimes It’s time for bingo, isn’t it

I’ll get my pens out.

Oooh yay, it's Trollwatch! Kicking it off strong with 'I get my weight loss drugs from Big Steve round the back of Aldi and it's totes fine'. Who are we hoping will join? Fingers crossed that Airport Shit Lady comes back.

Where can you get it next day without going to a pharmacy? I would imagine a fair few of the people getting it that way will be ill in the not so distant future

Oh shit!

So, you can get a 20mg pen...... sure Jan

I was only just 30 bmi, but had high blood pressure and high cholesterol so that encouraged me to get it, even though I only have 2.5 stone to lose. I didnt lie to get it and Medxpress have my GP details so I feel happy with my choice.

Why would I lie about someone I know who doesn’t have much to lose on it and on it while also breastfeeding?

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What data? Presumably the non-obese people lying about their BMI to get MJ are not providing data to scientists?

If someone wants to get to the middle of even lower end of the healthy bmi range perhaps because that is naturally where they would sit, or perhaps because it allows them to run without knackering their knees and that improves their health outcomes, If they thrive at BMI 21-22 there is also no reason why not.

I doubt I will personally chose go to that low a BMI as I am 56, post menopausal, I’ll see what suits me most when I get there, but what I don’t like is this negative implication that others shouldn’t aim for a BMI that they will thrive at when there is absolutely no medical reason why they shouldn’t. It stinks of you were obese, it’s your own fault, stay in your lane, we don’t want to see you thrive.

I applaud any woman, or man, who manages to lose significant life changing weight, improve their health whatever BMI they achieve and whether they do that with or without medical intervention.

I think it’s fairly sensible, if your weightloss allows, to aim for a mid point of healthy BMI on the basis that it’s quite likely you might regain a little as you go into maintenance so it gives you some leeway there. My BMI now hovers between 21-22 so nicely in the middle of the range, and I’m a size 10, so not fading away.

Anyone know roughly how many people are estimated to be on them nowadays? I heard a statistic yesterday (from a nurse!) of 1 in 4 adults but I just can’t believe that. Prior to that, I read of 1.5 million in the UK.
Obviously, if people are sourcing their ones from Dodgy Dave down the pub then it will be very hard to assess

Honestly, no one is going to get it legitimately when they have a stone to lose - people always source black market meds, that's why we see people with botulism, dying from bad surgery, getting really ill from fake ozempic etc. you can't regulate this precisely because it's black market/illegal.

In regards to people adding 0.5kg to their weight to get it doesn't bother me - they'll have to send in photos etc. and they only need to put on a couple of pounds and then they'll be eligible. I think it should be available to all people in overweight category too if they want it.

What I can’t get my head around is

• someone who only has a stone to lose cannot get MJ
• someone who has already lost say five stone and has a stone left to go can get MJ?

is that correct? Arguably is that not unfair??

This is what confuses me about them ?
once someone gets within the BMI threshold can they still keep going?
bit another person would not be able to start at that point?

what’s the rationale for that ? I’m confused??

@Lardychops

Someone who is 1 stone overweight is at low risk for weight related illnesses. So taking medication that does have known side effects would be adding a risk without reducing another risk. On balance you are taking a chance with no recognisable benefit.

Someone who is 6 stone overweight is at risk of weight related illnesses, so on balance the risks associated with the medication are considered worth taking by medical professionals. Once you are taking the medication those risks are accepted and present so you should stay on it until you reach a healthy weight range and have sustained that weight for a period of time agreed with a medical professionals. On balance you are taking a chance but by doing so putting yourself in a better position.

@Lardychops it's only "unfair" if you think that being obese is some kind of advantage. The criteria set out by the regulator is for a starting BMI in the obese range, or in the overweight range (BMI > 27) with a weight related health condition. Someone who is one stone overweight is not going to be obese, they have the advantage of not having obesity related health risks.

Yes I wondered if people who cite/experience the chronic /debilitating issue of food noise taking up huge amounts of headspace /impacting on every day life etc will also qualify , including those who fir whatever reason maintain a relatively healthy weight ?