The amount of cheating the system is scary

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I find it so concerning how many people on here and beyond are perfectly happy to cheat the system to get MJ e.g. people taking photos of their scales while holding a weight behind their back so they look heavier. Another example is a friend of mine who knows someone finishing MJ so she's going to buy her remaining pens off her. She only needs to lose a stone and is on no way in need of weight loss injections.

It's also concerning the amount of people giving medical advice on here when they are in no way qualified or experienced e.g advising people on supplements to take, advising people to count clicks etc.

Then those that are in 1000+ calorie deficit a day.

It's all just so completely unregulated and rather worrying.

I know I'll get slated. I'm on MJ legitimately myself and need it. I just worry that the more this stuff happens the more likely it is that people will get seriously ill. I also worry they'll make the process so difficult that it'll put off people who genuinely need it.

They should pin a photo of Sharon Osbourne on their fridge - that's a clear misuse of MJ

For most people, an outlay of over £100 per month isn’t a sustainable long term commitment.

I think that borderline anorexic issues are probably already prevalent amongst celebrities and friends of mine in wealthier circles say that it used to be a case of wondering who was using Botox, it’s now a case if wondering who is on the pen. I think many of whom are going from normal to thin rather than from obese to healthy weight. Harriet Walker in the times was my inspiration - a six week microdose programme to shift that annoying stone is a very compelling offer!

I have to say though - I’m back to my pre pregnancy weight but I’m going to keep going for an extra month. The temptation to slim right down whilst I have the chance is really high. I don’t have any history of eating disorders, poor body image etc. but I’d love to be just that little bit thinner.

@Ooothatsagoodone I believe it was ozempic - but yes I agree

But why do you care?
People seem very worried about anyone accessing MJ that might bend the current criteria…whereas I have had a quick search on here and can’t really find the same sort of generic worry for people accessing prescription painkillers by exaggerating their own symptoms / or visiting multiple chemists in order to buy large amounts of liquid neurofen and abusing it.
I have had a quick search amd those threads relate to someone’s own very specific circs or concern for a loved one

there seems to be an inordinate amount of worry about strangers who may not be quite fat enough taking medication that other people when they reach the same weight will be using…

All a bit odd to me…

I agree
both my sisters are a healthy weight but the effort it takes them has been like a full time job for decades and they have been talking about food noise as the utterly miserable bane in their lives.
both would love to be free of it for even a short while and would be prepared to pay for that.

I don’t care, not sure where you get that from?

I was pointing out to a PP who said it was safe because the drug has been tested that actually it hasn’t been tested in that population.

For most people, an outlay of over £100 per month isn’t a sustainable long term commitment.

I wonder whether that's true. We're talking about a population who by definition could pay for it in the first place and may be spending much less on consumables. And lots of people do the 5th dose as well.

Factor in the potential for the drug to get quite a bit cheaper, and I'm not sure we can assume the majority won't be able to sustainably afford it long term.

Sorry to hear that, was it pancreatitis?

Is there anybody who isn’t doing the ‘5th dose’ at 150/200 quid a pop ??

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People do much more damaging things to lose weight. Liposuction, smoking/vaping, crash dieting etc etc. I’m thrilled there’s a drug with no side effects so far to help me control my lifelong yo yo dieting which although I’ve never been obese has been devastating to my health, especially my mental health. I think it’s linked to having ADHD, MJ (together with my ADHD meds which I’ve been on for years) has transformed my life and hopefully my future if I can continue to get hold of it. I’m an adult, I’m happy to make the best choices for me. You do you.

I bought it from an online pharmacy at a bmi of 24,5 by stuffing a pillow under my tshirt and wearing one of those 2 cups up bras on the photo.

I am now bmi 20.3 and have just ordered my next (and probably last) pen. I take it because it makes it easy to lose those pounds for holiday, no effort required.

I can afford it and I am happy to take the risk, plenty of people smoke, drive, do extreme sports. There are risks in all aspects of life, we choose what is acceptable to us.

Where did you get this “fact” that the risk of taking WLIs is higher than being overweight?? Can you provide a link? Because I think you’re wrong. There are plenty of increased risks of weight-related conditions that come from being overweight, as well as low self-confidence and low motivation. Whereas the vast majority of people who take WLIs have no side-effects. I started with a bmi of 29, still fairly early days but I’ve lost a little over a stone, bmi down to 26, I have so much more energy, no more summer chub rub 🤣 (which has been liberating!), my self-confidence has improved massively, and it’s given me so much more motivation to exercise, as I can see the point of being fit and healthy and toned now, whereas before I used to think well I’m fat anyway, what’s the point. I’ve also completely cut out UPFs and only eat whole foods, which I just wouldn’t have been able to sustain if it wasn’t for MJ. I just really don’t think it’s anyone else’s business whether strangers want to take WLIs or not!

@purpledaze24 here is a good place to find the information you want.

You can "think" I’m wrong if you want, but when it comes to decisions about things like weight loss treatments, it’s the experts and organizations like Eli Lilly, the FDA, MHRA, GPhC, and BMA who make those calls and you should listen to, not social media "experts". They follow strict guidelines and look closely at all the evidence to keep patients safe.

These bodies are responsible for assessing exactly what you are questioning - medication safety and balance of risks. It is their "business" whether patients are eligible for WLIs or not. They do this for your safety, no other reasons.

Patients are not qualified or knowledgeable enough on the risk balance to make these decisions, unbiased, for themselves, and while it is important patients get a say in their treatment options that doesn't mean access to any medications that are not suitable or the balance of risk, assessed by someone qualified to do so, is not right for them.

Are you also concerned about all the people in the country who are using or abusing alcohol in a dangerous way, smoking cigarettes or vaping, what about illegal drug use, use of legal highs or people buying viagra online? What about people who get addicted to the buzz you get from using decongestants too much? Are you worried about all the people who don’t realise that Anadin contains paracetamol and are accidentally taking too much in a 24 hr period? What about people who take ibuprofen for a headache - they are risking gastritis for a fairly minor inconvenience? There are lots of people making health choices which we might consider suboptimal every minute of every day. Why is it WLI in particular which have sparked this sudden flood of ‘concern’ for your fellow humans?