The amount of cheating the system is scary

[Adultautismdiagnosis]

I find it so concerning how many people on here and beyond are perfectly happy to cheat the system to get MJ e.g. people taking photos of their scales while holding a weight behind their back so they look heavier. Another example is a friend of mine who knows someone finishing MJ so she's going to buy her remaining pens off her. She only needs to lose a stone and is on no way in need of weight loss injections.

It's also concerning the amount of people giving medical advice on here when they are in no way qualified or experienced e.g advising people on supplements to take, advising people to count clicks etc.

Then those that are in 1000+ calorie deficit a day.

It's all just so completely unregulated and rather worrying.

I know I'll get slated. I'm on MJ legitimately myself and need it. I just worry that the more this stuff happens the more likely it is that people will get seriously ill. I also worry they'll make the process so difficult that it'll put off people who genuinely need it.

You want a list -

Moral judgement towards people with obesity
Assuming laziness or lack of willpower
Dismissing a medical treatment for a disease as "easy"
Thinking your (uninformed) personal beliefs over ride well know medical facts
Mistrust of fat peoples actual experience of fighting obesity
Abelist - Assuming everyone has the physical or mental capability to control easting through willpower alone

Ha! Where do you reckon they get it? Do you think it’s stolen or fake? (Not judging, just curious btw, I don’t know anyone on WLI in real life but if I did they would definitely be getting it legitimately - I think!)

Amen 🙏

Thank you. She's much better now and approaching 60 with the help of various medications and a more balanced diet (previously hers was red/processed meat & salt heavy).

Heartburn is utterly miserable. I would also stop MJ if I got that side effect. Keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't appear, I would be gutted.

I'm chuckling that many of us flap when our pen arrives room temp with a melted ice pack, while others are happily buying JounMaro and Fozempic from dodgy Dave down the pub 😁

Well yes it would seem odd to use blood pressure medications to reduce your blood pressure to the lower end of the healthy range - surely you’d aim to sit in the middle, not almost tipping to low? That’s just as dangerous.

I know I can’t believe that goes on! It’s not like it’s liquid gold. It’s what, £150 - 200 pcm? I’d imagine most people would save that on their food bill!

@BlackCatGreyWhiskers I’m on BP medication and my BP is now in the optimal range, lower than the Normal range and the High Normal range. That’s a completely reasonable thing to do.

It’s odd people who are not on mj who frequent the board to make judgy posts. Oh and to predict doom. It’s a shame there’s not a jab to stop that.

I do think the non prescriber routes are concerning - do you really know what you are buying?

I don’t know anyone doing this (3 of my close friends on mj too- it’s been transformational for them). I hope there’s legitimate access for people with bmi over 25 soon which would hopefully mostly stop this.

It is weird. I wonder if they also do it on eg the home ed board or the one for people with cancer or the one for dog owners. Maybe it’s just fat people who need to be told.

I lost 2 stone on it and was fine. Now a healthy bmi

Prescribed on the nhs too.

I for one take it for the mental relief. I’ve yo-yoed and dieted all my life. I’ve been bulimic although stopped purging many years ago when I realised it was damaging my teeth. I’ve got BED. MJ has given me some relief from the prison of my mind and the binge-restrict cycle that has dominated my adult life. As someone who suffers with anxiety it’s hugely helped relieve my anxiety symptoms - BED created anxiety and the feelings after a binge made me anxious. It’s liberating!

I go to the gym, I’ve always been athletic and active, I’m a great cook and pride myself on counting macros and making home made nutritious food for my family. But I could escape the binge-eating cycle. I’ve been a size 6 and a size 16 and I’m sick to death of fighting this battle.

It’s hugely improved my mental health and if I need to micro dose I really don’t care.

I think it’s people who had a lot of self worth from being slim. Sad really.

Annoying they also think they know more than HCP.

I agree with you, people will tweak any rules they want, its not your business

I think that’s unlikely until trials have been done in that population. We only know the risks for those in whom the drug has been tested. It would be very irresponsible to just open it up to a load of other people without knowing what the potential consequences might be.

@BlueLimes yes it’s problematic if they’re essentially street drugs.

Obviously taking either your blood pressure or BMI to below healthy levels is not a good idea. What blood pressure or BMI within a healthy range is optimal varies greatly per individual.

But that is not what you said, you said - "why not maintain on the upper end of the healthy BMI range"

So again the question is - What is your objection between someone moving from "just" healthy to thriving?

I really do not understand what issue anyone could anyone have with that, why would you not want another human being to thrive?

There’s a lot of data which could be collected now - hopefully it is in progress.

There’s no way WLI are going to be made available to people who are overweight/normal weight who want to lose weight for reasons other than weight related health conditions. They are high risk prescription only medications as defined by the GPhC and aren’t going to be approved for what is essentially cosmetic weight loss alone anytime soon.

There is research into whether GLP1s can help with various other conditions, but if approved it would likely be at the lowest dose needed to treat those conditions and not produce weight loss. Then they may be available to healthy weight or overweight people to treat those specific conditions.

I don't feel that people should be getting it from non-pharmaceutical sources and I think it's not purposed for people who aren't considered overweight.
But that's my choices, people can decide their own.
If someone lies to get access to something and things go badly then it will be their own fault.
If people get it from an illegal source and it isn't what it's supposed to be then it's no different than people getting tablets from other sources that could be laced with anything.
People take risks all the time and that's their choice. I'm just not someone who takes them.

The sad thing is that people see it as an easy option - and I blame the celeb culture for that if I'm honest.
There are so many reasons why people struggle to lose weight and it isn't always for lack of trying. Whether that's physical or mental reasons, this can be a real game changer and in the long run could save the NHS a lot on weight related issues (even with the minority of serious side effects).
And does anyone think about what led us to the point that people (most likely females) with only a stone to lose want to go to such measures to lose it? We've spent generations being conditioned that our worth is related to our weight so is it any suprise that we are prepared to take risks.

@Freeflight Victorians swallowed tape worm eggs, arsenic and strychnine to lose weight. The risks from MJ seem quite tame tbh.

You really don’t understand how the drug works.
Or you’re choosing to write a judgy and quite unpleasant post. Not sure what you gain from doing this ?

If only we could medicate being a twat.

I have zero objections but equally I don’t object or see issue with someone whose BMI is below 30 going from overweight to healthy.