The amount of cheating the system is scary

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I find it so concerning how many people on here and beyond are perfectly happy to cheat the system to get MJ e.g. people taking photos of their scales while holding a weight behind their back so they look heavier. Another example is a friend of mine who knows someone finishing MJ so she's going to buy her remaining pens off her. She only needs to lose a stone and is on no way in need of weight loss injections.

It's also concerning the amount of people giving medical advice on here when they are in no way qualified or experienced e.g advising people on supplements to take, advising people to count clicks etc.

Then those that are in 1000+ calorie deficit a day.

It's all just so completely unregulated and rather worrying.

I know I'll get slated. I'm on MJ legitimately myself and need it. I just worry that the more this stuff happens the more likely it is that people will get seriously ill. I also worry they'll make the process so difficult that it'll put off people who genuinely need it.

On what basis do you say it’s moot? Are you involved in clinical research?

AFAIK it hasn’t been tested in people without obesity who fancy being a bit thinner. These people are metabolically very different from people with obesity.

I'm pretty sure it is moot because there is no research to say it is definitely safer for someone to maintain on wli at a bmi of 23 than someone who takes the drugs to go from 27bmi to 23bmi.

I mean, you COULD say it is safer for non obese people to use wlis as they will only be using them for short periods - ie, they lose the weight, then because they already have healthier lifestyles in place they may have greater success in keeping off the weight without wlis.

There is research to say that people who are obese gain the weight back within a year of stopping wlis, so of course they need to stay on them for far longer.

Well there is research that has evaluated the risks for an obese person to maintain. WLI haven’t been tested in people who don’t have obesity so the risks in that population are unknown. If that research ever gets done It might turn out to be safer for them. But right now it’s not.

I suspect quite a lot of people who might take them while overweight DON’T have healthy habits and their metabolisms are just catching up with them!

I'm sure that research is coming! I expect one day we'll all be on some form of them!

I think you shouldn't have to cheat the system. If you want it you should be able to buy it.

I dunno - someone will have to show that the risks of being BMI 27 outweigh the risks of the treatment. It’s easy with the higher BMIs which are clearly linked to all sorts of horrible outcomes.

Yep, needs to be pointed out that the extra stone isn't necessarily just about looking a bit less slim. Especially for shorter women. That extra stone could easily put a lot of us into BMI territory where we're at risk of or experiencing problems that would likely be alleviated with weight loss, and that's before considering the reality that it won't always stay as just one stone.

I’m getting the feeling that obese people feel quite put out at the idea of overweight people being to access the jab?
Why is this?
What skin of our nose is it?

My experience is real and therefore a potential risk. I'm well aware it's possible to have other experiences on it.
But my point is it's a big risk to take if you haven't got much weight to lose. You are gambling with your own health!
And if your health was at risk from obesity anyway that's one thing.. but if it wasn't then it's quite another.
Everyone's personal choice of course but I don't think some people are totally aware of the potential consequences

Well it's obviously because they have taken the risk already and had a positive experience!
Personally for me the risks and side effects seem to high for it to be useful for people only in the mildly overweight range.
You have to weigh up risk.
People who already started taking the medication when they were obese are probably OK to continue to take it in the overweight category and even in the healthy weight category because they know how they are going to react to it.
As I said uptrend I was nearly morbidly obese when I started taking it but I had a very severe reaction that I am still dealing with the health consequences of now.
Personally I still feel I was right to give it a shot as my weight came with it's own health risks.
But knowing what I know about the issues it's caused me I really don't understand why anyone in the healthy weight or mildly overweight bmi bracket without diabetes would take the risk just to lose a few lbs! That sees insane to me.
I've been in and out of hospital. I'm in a lot of pain and can barely eat.
It's rare to get a reaction like this but it does happen.

Medicines have always been abused. People just seem to care more when it’s MJ.

Yes and also what if it’s a stone at the moment but could creep up , also a history of obesity in the past which would indicate it could go up again and also that the person clearly has the risk of obesity /the obesity gene / proclivity etc ?

There’s some great research developing in America regarding wlis supporting those with addictions, heart disease, dementia, adhd and women in peri/menopause regardless of bmi. I think over the next few years usage will be rolled out further.

I don't care who gets access to the jab as such.

I do agree high risk medications should be controlled by those qualified to make the decisions for patients safety.

They are very different things, it all comes back to understanding there is a balance of risks the medical experts have to make. It is not for unqualified patients to decide what high risk drugs they think they should be allowed unfettered access to.

Example - I could be pissed off when I have toothache no-one will give me tramadol or morphine which will actually give me some pain relief because they are controlled high risk pain killers. Doesn't mean I resent other people who suffer from chronic pain from getting them, I can logically understand why they are controlled even if it leaves me in pain.

I have not read of any obese people feeling "put out" they are simply trying to explain why access is controlled.

I agree on balance OP.

I’ve been tempted to lie to get WLIs as although I’m a normal BMI presently, I’ve got that stubborn stone to shift.

I’m predicting a rise in anorexia etc from those who donned a fat suit and conned Pharma4U or whoever into prescribing the injections. Then they’ll be a backlash and they’ll take away the ability to get the jabs online and they’ll have to go to their GP with resulting strict criteria and long waiting lists.

The issue I can foresee is what happens when you reach your goal weight; are you going to stay on them for the rest of your life and at what cost health wise and financially.

I have ADHD. I started the jabs on Saturday. Yesterday and today I've had a huge reduction in my ADHD brain chatter. Not sure if it will last but it feels lovely.

I honestly think they should only be allowed on prescription from a Gp. Just so that people can be monitored properly. Even if you still pay for them an actual should have to see you first and at regular intervals

Online providers are medical professionals- okay you don't see them in person, but I do loads of medical appointments nowadays without ever seeing my GP in person.

The specialist pharmacist will have more knowledge and experience than most GPs..
pharmacist prescribing is a standard for lots of meds - again people only seem upset about weight loss standards.

Sorry didn’t see your post @sweetpickle2 completely agree.

I get that but if there is concern that people are “playing the system” (holding weights as an example) then maybe it’s safer if everyone Is seen in person at first.

Not sure where you live, but where I am I can barely get a GP appointment for an ongoing illness or serious injury.