Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

That’s amazing if you can stick to that when the jabs stop. And if that’s true for a lot of people when they come off then I will by much more pro. As I’ve said before, that would benifit everybody as consumer habits would also change.
Can I ask, apart from the weight loss? How do you feel with the different diet?

Yes, I don’t doubt that lots of people are able to make gold changes whilst on the jab. But whilst on is the easy bit surely? It’s the coming off and sticking to a diet overhaul that’s going to be really tricky. If it has decent success long term after coming then that would be amazing

Antidepressant-shaming is also pretty common.

Yup. If men got period pains, opiates would be available OTC.

That's a disingenuous reply imo. No, I don't expect everyone to agree with me at all, but you've said so many things in your posts to suggest you know nothing about WLI, yet you're still happy to jeer at people who are using it and know more than you about it, based on little other than prejudice as far as I can see. If you're going to come on to a specialist thread and question its tenets, you need to do it in a particular way if you want to be taken seriously imo.

Some of your posts, like the one I just answered about eating habits, are less derisive in tone - your tone was more objective there so I didn't mind answering your question. It's just a pity you've spent so much time refusing to take on board what people are telling you, that you've lost most of the credibility you might have had on this thread.

Just add another row.

WLIs aren't meant to be for slim people to get skinny, they are for obese people at risk of obesity-related health conditions to get out of the danger zone.

Well, I can't speak for everyone but I'd say of those I know taking glp-1s, myself included, the medication makes it possible to make the changes, rather than easy.

Sustaining the changes over a long period while on the medication, and then tapering the medication slowly, appears to be working for people who have made lifestyle changes faciliitated by the medication.

Again, just reading the threads here from people now in maintenance, you'll see a variety of experiences, some people have been completely off the jabs for months, or a year or so, and are maintaining. Others may need to take the medication longer-term. Because obesity is a chronic condition that changes your metabolic and hormonal make up, it's not just a few extra pounds on a healthy, functioning body.

Tell me you've never had binge eating disorder without telling me...

Quitting cigarettes was easier than losing weight for me because the nicotine cravings and compulsion to smoke go away after a few weeks, whereas the food cravings never stop.

Yes, that’s who they’re meant for. If there weren’t a misuse of people in the normal BMI range using them, we wouldn’t have the term Ozempic Face being thrown around Hollywood.

I definitely feel healthier, I'd been annoying myself for some time by self-medicating for stress with UPFs and too much sugar (I'm not implying everyone with weight issues does this, just that it was the case for me) but had been eating unhealthily for so long I was finding it nigh impossible to break the pattern. The jabs do seem to have bought me some time to do so, I'm eating a lot more lean meat, fish and veg now, I'm planning on keeping the UPFs out of the house once I finish as I'm determined for this not to have been in vain. I have a feeling it won't be as easy as I'm making it sound, but hopefully I'm putting the foundations in place.

I've actually learned very little while I've been on WLIs. I've learned a lot over the past two decades cumulatively through the Zoe plan, calorie counting, non UPF, Weight Watchers, Slimming World, my personal trainer, the NHS weight loss coach, keto, Atkins, Noom, IF. I learned how frustrating all the contradictory information is.

Nothing really about nutrition and exercise in the past year over and above what I had already learned. The key things I have learned though, is that the blood sugar crashes I was experiencing were not normal or helpful, and had nothing to do with willpower. I learned that 'moving more' has less of an impact on weight than people would have you believe. I also learned that improving my weight and fitness has bugger all to do with willpower anyway, and everything to do with discipline. And that discipline just means planning for when everything goes wrong. When the train is late and my blood sugar tanks, when I've had a bad day and feel like crap, when someone has eaten the healthy food I put aside in the fridge, when I don't have access to decent food and have to grab something ultra processed. I need to plan for every eventuality, and sometimes I'll miss that goal.

Being disciplined is much easier when my blood sugar is stable. I expect that when I stop WLIs my blood sugar will go back to how it was. I've already been told that my body will fight to get back to a heavier weight - something else that I won't be able to rely on willpower to solve.

@selffellatingouroborosofhate I didn’t make it, the amazing @1clavdivs did - I think it was going a bit blurry when we tried to add more last time?! The main ones are on there, at least.

There's food noise and there's going out to the petrol station at 6pm on Sunday because the cravings won't let you not have chocolate and Lidl is shut.

@DurbevillesGirl2 you have made a very important contribution to this thread by calling WLI users ignorant and highlighting a potential side effect of WLIs which should be highlighted on the box.

BECOMING THIN MAY MAKE YOU A JUDGEMENTAL CONDESCENDING BORE.

And if you googled me you’d fall straight off your high horse.

Unrealistic beauty standards are a related topic, but not the topic of this thread. OP was shamed for using WLIs to get out of the obesity danger zone.

@U53rName Prescribing standards in the US are vastly different to the UK, you can't really compare the two.

I disagree. She asked why people were upset/not supportive. I explained a possible reason why in my original post. You may disagree, and that’s fine.

@TheBossOfMe

@U53rName what was the possible reason? That other people are misusing medication in the US and getting an unattractive face as a result? What’s that got to do with the OP and losing weight from being obese to a healthy weight?

Read the full quote.

Yep have read your posts, still asking the same question. Relevance?? Or you’re saying that some people are really very irrational about this, and can’t see why US celebs having access to WLI is nothing to do with someone in the UK being prescribed it for obesity. It’s not a valid reason, it’s an explanation of someone’s possible irrationality.

If you can’t understand the quote from 16:15 yesterday, I’m afraid I can’t help you here. Others have understood and liked the post. You don’t have to agree with my possible reason OP’s getting pushback.

It’s not about agreeing with it. I’m explaining that no one reasonable would think that it’s an acceptable reason to use to object to someone in the OPs position using WLI.

Always worth pointing out that anyone who struggles to maintain a healthy weight and resents being denied access to WLIs has the option of stopping until they qualify. Even the ones who can't afford it privately could put on enough to meet the NHS threshold.

This one?

You're blurring two very different experiences: general body dissatisfaction vs clinical obesity, which is a chronic health condition.

Both valid experiences, but not the same.

Wanting to lose half a stone to fit into old jeans is a very different struggle from fighting with your own body every day, dealing with joint pain, disrupted hormones, sleep apnoea, or stigma in healthcare settings. It’s not about fairness, it’s about clinical need.