Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

Why are you so convinced you know more about why any of us are obese than we know ourselves? Or than scientists who've done years of research into obesity? Just straight to 'these people' are stupid.
It's fascinating when people are so happy to let their prejudices show in public like this.

I have throughout my life been slim and healthy and overweight and unhealthy. I have done everything from fasting, slimming world, weight watchers, OMAD, keto, calorie counting, gym memberships, bootcamps, running etc etc.

I and most other people know exactly how to lose weight and exactly how to keep it off. I know if I eat around 1500 calories a day and exercise I will stay slim. The problem is that it's hard. It's difficult to maintain that level of discipline long term when you like to eat nice food and don't necessarily like to do lots of exercise.

WLI's enables me to finally be free of thinking about food all the time bc I'm hungry and craving chocolate/crisps.

It's astounding to me that you are so arrogant that you think it comes down to "ignorance" that people are overweight.

Do you really think that most fat people don't know what to do to be slim and it's just that they need educating? If so, you are clearly very uneducated in the matter yourself.

The OP didn't hold your feet to a fire and force you to post all your nonsense. If you're going to post things that are potentially harmful to obese people seeking to use effective medication to treat their obesity, whether explicitly invited to or not, expect consequences.

The same media that has promoted unhealthy underweight ideals for decades? The same media that promoted the Special K diet and other miracle diets? The same media that publishes contradictory information daily? That media?

The vast majority of people have had NO input from doctors on handing obesity, and not because they all haven't asked or tried.

Dunning Kruger.

Every single time someone implies or outright states that fat people are lazy and greedy, that's your sense of superiority. Just so you know.

If they are, they are doing so under false pretences. Pharmacies will only prescribe to people with a BMI above 30, which means obese.

It's also unsustainable for very obese people. Very often they cannot maintain that kind of calorie deficit, it's not possible. Especially when they're trying to do it on their own with no qualified support.

Because the 'reasons' you gave were ridiculous.

I'll quote again the information from Cleveland about causes of obesity:

Class III obesity rarely results from a lack of willpower to lose weight or a lack of “control” over the amount of food you eat.
Contributing factors to obesity include:

• Genetics. There are at least 15 obesity-related genes. Certain genetic syndromes can cause obesity, as well, like Cohen syndrome, Down syndrome and Prader-Willi syndrome.
• Hormonal imbalances. Hormone-related conditions that can lead to weight gain include Cushing syndrome, hypothyroidism and polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS).
• Certain medications. Antidepressants, antipsychotic medications, antiseizure medications, corticosteroids and other medications can lead to weight gain.
• Cultural factors. Prevalent advertising for calorie-dense foods and increased portion sizes can contribute to developing obesity.
• Environmental factors. Exposure to chemicals known as obesogens can change your hormones and increase adipose tissue in your body.
• Financial factors. Easier financial and/or geographical access to fast foods compared to more nutritious, whole foods can lead to weight gain.
• Geographical factors. Having limited access to parks or other places to exercise can lead to obesity. Having few safe or easy ways to walk in your neighborhood can, as well.

Lol

Wow attacking my intelligence again. If I told you my real name you’d be able to google me and find out how wrong you are.

@DurbevillesGirl2 if you don't understand why you've had the responses you've had on this thread, there's not much anyone can do to help you with that. Given the way you and @PalePinkPeony have expressed yourselves on here, do you really think any of us are going to buy that either of you ever had any interest in discussing this constructively? Yeah right. And you're whingeing about 'personal' attacks after the way you're spoken about what you so delightfully call 'these people' - when you've had the nerve to come on a board which was created FOR people who have chosen this method of improving their health, to vent your peculiar and very selfish grudges.

You all but admitted to being jealous earlier on the thread. Those weren't your words but it sure as hell seems like it was what you meant. Maybe just own it and try to lose the bitterness.

Yes, yes, of course I would. That's definitely plausible, based on the quality of your contributions in this thread.

Hahahaha, so true.

Dontcha know who I am

@DurbevillesGirl2 intelligent people are not immune from poor arguments and poor reasoning. They are also not immune from logical fallacies like attempts at an appeal to authority.

Or indeed, an emotionally driven inability to understand a topic because they have a lot invested in it not being true. Which would probably be sadder than it just going over their heads, when I think about it.

It’s not that I am opposed to taking the medication. It’s that I’m dubious that simply taking medication doesn’t actually change (long term) the way a person eats. I’m dubious at best that Medication provides the life long change to diet that’s needed once medication is stopped

I wonder if people who have no struggle at all remaining slim are also considered to be cheating?

A close friend of mine doesn’t eat much and is slim (and toned) - she’s relatively active (no more than me) but doesn’t think about food at all. A group of us met up one night and declined a snack as we’d all eaten dinner prior to meeting - she’d had a cup a soup and a slice of toast that day because she can’t be arsed eating, doesn’t get the food noise, can easily forget to eat.

Is she cheating because she is like this by a fluke of genetics? Because she doesn’t have to try hard enough to stay slim? Or is it only fat people who use WLIs that cheat?

@PalePinkPeony I do applaud you for having the guts to stick around when your views are so against what we feel is literally life saving for us and I do admire your tenacity. I am curious though, do you have any empathy after reading these responses?
@mamabeeboo the original op, has been on these boards for a while, we know about her struggles and what she has worked through to get to where she is today. I wish I had her courage and was able to be loud and proud about what I am doing for myself but I would want to just curl up in a ball of shame if I was faced with someone having the same options as you.
The ‘everyone hates fat people’ line is probably tongue in cheek/satire, people automatically assume because you are fat you are lazy, slovenly, my family and friends don’t hate me because I’m fat, my work colleagues don’t hate me because I’m fat. This is always going to be an emotive subject, there are extreme views on both sides, there always are with certain subjects. Some things will never change and that makes me so sad.
If I use this miraculous tool forever, so be it. I’m confused as to why this concerns you, and it 100% is not a fad, it’s the start of something amazing.
I have two DD’s, both in their 30’s, one has struggled with their weight from a very young age, the other is a size eight (who has never experienced ’food noise’). Both ate the same meals, played the same sports, yet one ended up with a genetically predisposed weight problem from my side of the family. I was over 10lbs when born, and have had weight issues all my life, I’ve starved myself, abused laxatives, exercised excessively, yet continued to gain weight and you want to tell me to eat less and move more. I know I have to but there are so many other things that work against me as well.
It’s taken me 57 years to get to the weight I am and it’s been a daily struggle both mentally and physically.
Can you imagine how it feels to hate yourself and constantly question why you just can’t eat less and move more to loose weight, I’ll be entering my 58th year shortly almost five stone lighter (with more to go) and for the first time I have a future to look forward to.
You mentioned earlier about the same people in an echo chamber all validating themselves, well yes, I value my thoughts and feelings and can value others without passing judgement, I know my weaknesses and my strengths, one of my biggest strengths is empathy. We have to be able to self validate.
As I said, I admire your tenacity but I think you need to be a little more gentle in your delivery.

GLP-1 medications don’t just suppress appetite in a blunt, willpower-like way though, theyregulate the biological signalling between gut and brain. That includes hunger cues, satiety, insulin response, and even dopamine responses to food.

So yes, it does change how a person eats. It regulates to create a normal, manageable relationship with hunger, which means people can eat slower, feel fuller, and make more intentional food choices, not because they suddenly have more willpower, but because the fight against relentless hunger and food noise is no longer constant.

Many people on GLP-1s do change their habits over time, because the medication creates the space to make the changes. Just read some of the threads on here and you will see that.

It doesn't make any claims to do either of those things though. It's just one tool to help an obese person lose weight.
What that person does with the help of the tool is up to them - most have changed their eating habits, some haven't. Some will stay on the medication for life, some will come off it at their goal weight, some will regain weight, some won't. It's giving everyone a fighting chance to get to that goal weight though.

I can only speak for myself, but since being on MJ I haven't enjoyed certain foods that I used to have a problem with. This has given me the 'breathing space', so to speak, to cut these foods from my diet for the time being and lean into healthier eating patterns.

Will I go back to craving the unhealthy stuff when I stop the jabs? Who knows, but after all this time having been off the unhealthy stuff and all the money I've spent on this, I'm not letting them back in the house for the foreseeable (possibly ever, as I don't want to risk backsliding) and I'm reasonably confident that the break from these foods will make it easier not to miss them.

All of the above is anecdotal, of course, but imo if this is consistent with what others on MJ are experiencing, it contradicts your theory.

I have not said anything on this thread personally attacking anyone and I have shown every effort to discuss constructively. It seems the only way in your mind to discuss constructively is to agree with you. It’s your way, or no way. I don’t have any grudge. And this thread was created to discuss various views and opinions on the WLI was it not? Not for you to only extol the virtues of it?