Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

Lol whatever. Why do you have such an issue when the fatties are actually getting thin and exercising that willpower on a daily basis then? Surely you’d be jumping for joy.

Anyway I’m off to the dentist for my root canal. I’m not having anaesthetic because that’s cheating.

Because injecting myself with something comes with risks. Short and long term risks. Also, stuffing my face doesn’t feel good after the event. Stuffing my face regularly with crap is also a risk for cancer and many other illnesses not relating to obesity.
Even if eating all the food you want would keep you a size 8, your arteries can still be clogged.

Why do you value 'discipline' so much?

@DurbevillesGirl2 You don't get to police who does and doesn't reply to you,

Respectfully, you sound miserable, talking about suffering and constant hunger pains. Spin it any way you want, but that is as disordered as overeating. Which is why you are full of vitriol for people who are being disciplined and losing weight - with the aid of WLIs.

It’s not morally wrong to anyone else- but you are morally wrong to yourself! You are cheating and damaging yourself. Stealing from your ‘own shop’.
It was just an example of how people are able to say no. Is that all that’s holding people back then? It being morally wrong to someone else?

Cool well don’t inject yourself then. Last time I checked nobody was holding people down and forcing them to take Mounjaro.

#notallthinpeople Some people are really using this thread to reinforce the old trope that fat people are nicer than thin people!

i don’t think humans would have got this far without it- do you? A strong will is thought highly of in our species because things actually get achieved.
Being disciplined (or not) over spills to many areas of life. How you look after yourself and your home, your kids, how well you respect and treat others, your achievements and the aspirations you pass on to your children. Some sort of discipline is needed in all areas of our lives.

No, but this post is asking why some people think it’s cheating. I was just giving reasons for why that might be the case.

My MIL is like @PalePinkPeony and @DurbevillesGirl2 and has basically spent her life dieting and depriving herself and thinks it’s some sort of moral virtue. She spends all her life thinking and talking about how fat other people are and how they ought to control themselves. It’s really funny and I’m loving how WLIs are giving her and others the rage because now the fatties you looked down on are probably even thinner than you and there is literally fuck all you can do about it. AND they got to enjoy the cake in the past and you didn’t. Cry away losers.

So given your history, surely you know that by cutting all unprocessed foods and sugar for a couple of weeks, it will drastically reduce your food noise and hunger? I just don’t get why someone would want to inject themselves with something that may cause pretty serious long term effects and isn’t a long term solution rather than just standing up to themselves and saying no- I’m not eating that shit. You might have to say it 100 times a day at first but you can reduce it naturally.
Its just bonkers to me- and believe me, I’ve struggled with weight too

There are indeed many areas of life that require discipline, but these arguments don't really apply in the realm of weight. Fat people can still achieve things!

@PalePinkPeony

"It’s not morally wrong to anyone else- but you are morally wrong to yourself! You are cheating and damaging yourself. Stealing from your ‘own shop’.
It was just an example of how people are able to say no. Is that all that’s holding people back then? It being morally wrong to someone else?"

Ok. So we agree that your previous two analogies were bunk. But now I'm being immoral to myself, because you think it's immoral because it's cheating myself. Somehow, not sure out of what or in what competition. Or because it's damaging myself. So any decision that is made that might damage your health somewhere down the line is immoral. Not just a less than optimal choice, but actually immoral, cheating and wrong. Is this consistent across all sub-optimal choices, or just over eating? What about if the choice to over eat avoids a worse outcome in that moment? Where do we balance the harm here? Or is it just always immoral, because...?

I'm intrigued that you think that finding something morally wrong isn't sufficient reason for people not to shoplift or have an affair with a married person. And of course it isn't the only reason. I don't need or want to shoplift, I don't need or want to have an affair. But those are clearly lesser reasons not to do those things.

Honestly, that’s not the case at all. I wouldn’t take the jabs for this unless there was an extreme reason for me to. The thought of it makes me feel quite sick and in some ways I feel sorry for those on WLI because I feel many of them are getting tricked. Promised something that ultimately will make things worse in the longer term for most. And all in the name of money of course. Oh, and exploiting women- ever has it been thus. Nothing changes, only given a new outfit.

@PalePinkPeony There's actually a lot of evidence from use to treat diabetes that it is a long term solution. Ozempic has been around since 2017, it's not that new a drug. It's just hit public consciousness recently because it's now being used to treat obesity.

And almost all drugs have potential harmful effects. Doesn't mean we say to people with diabetes that they shouldn't take insulin, or people shouldn't take statins etc. Just be aware of the risks - especially when the risks of severe obesity (and it's not usually slightly overweight people who can get WLIs, it's clinically obese people) are so much worse.

We really need to add the "exploiting women" line to the bingo chart.

I am not being exploited or tricked ffs. Do you think we are all idiots who cannot understand the risks and benefits, and make an informed decision?

I am using a tool that means I have been successfully losing weight for the best part of a year and am healthier and fitter than I've been in more than a decade. Yet this is apparently the wrong thing to do!

I feel sorry for those on WLI because I feel many of them are getting tricked. Promised something that ultimately will make things worse in the longer term for most.

Hope springs eternal, eh?

Firstly, these drugs are now being consumed in many many times the numbers that have been seen before. With it being given far more hastily to thousands of women. With no GP screening. Online where no medical records are being looked at in many cases and people can and will lie.

People with diabetes have no other alternatives so the benefit outweighs the risks. I know 6 women who are on these drugs and only one is obese. The rest are or were overweight. No other major medical issues. Perfectly manageable with a year of eating better foods and lower calories. In those cases I don’t believe the benefits outweigh the risks

What Are the long term effects- by that I mean further back than the 8 years since 2017 when it’s been available?
What happens when you come off? What happens 1 / 2 / 5 years after you come off and the ‘food noise’ has returned.
I hate that term ‘food noise’ too. You are just hungry mate, because you are eating the wrong types of foods and too much of them.

i wish it was just hope. Sadly not. The hope rests only with those injecting themselves.

It’s not the ‘wrong thing to do’
It’s your decision to make of course. But why? Why would you take this route and more importantly what happens when you arnt taking it anymore?

😂 No-one needs your pity, love!
I'm not sure why you're think being obese, with all the potentially negative health issues that can bring, isn't a serious enough reason to take medication prescribed for that disease. But it doesn't really matter, does it, because you don't need to use them. The way your body works, you do all the right stuff and you stay at a healthy weight. That's great for you but for those of us it's not been that straight forward for, we'll keep using this medical solution that is working.
No-one has tricked us, because fatties aren't all thick. A solution has been offered, currently at a fairly hefty price, with clearly presented side effects of varying seriousness, and we have risk assessed those risks against the risks of being obese.

I don't think you understood my comment, but never mind.

@PalePinkPeony "I know 6 women who are on these drugs and only one is obese. The rest are or were overweight." In which case they lied to get the drugs - unless they had other health issues that you don't know about. People do lie to get prescribed though, and that's not right at all.

Re keeping the weight off, I said something upthread that probably answers this:

"The number of people who have been on WW or Slimming World or VLCDs or any other 100+ change diet methods time and time again and are still overweight is testament to the fact that not everyone will keep it off.

Some people will regain because they've just relied on suppression, haven't changed their diet, and without it they will just go back to overeating.

Some will need to be on WLIs for the rest of their lives in order to keep the weight off.

Some will use the absence of food noise to reset eating habits and make the 100+ adjustments to lifestyle and will maintain.

And any combination in between.

It's absolutely no different to any other diet method."

It’s not bunk. I was making the analogy of being able to say no. They were just two examples but obviously there are many more. Picking holes. Yes deliberately harming yourself is morally wrong IMO.

@PalePinkPeony why would I take this route? My goodness, isn't it obvious? It works. Nothing else I have done has been this effective for this long. I have been yo-yo cycling, getter progressively bigger since being an overweight child. It's a long time.

What happens when I am not taking it any more? Who knows. Perhaps I'll regain the weight and more, as many seem keen to predict for me. I'll happily take the chance, why would I not? Maybe I will keep taking a reduced dose long term before eventually stopping. Maybe I will keep taking a reduced dose on an ongoing basis. Maybe I'll stop and maintain the weight through the many lifestyles changes that I've made. At least I know that my BMI will never be as high as it had got because I can use this tool to help me if I struggle to maintain. Isn't that an amazing situation to be in.