Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

The only person who knows I’m doing this is one of my best friends, and that’s only because we had a very frank conversation about it and she acknowledged that she’d been thinking about using it too. My words to her were “If the fatties get thin, they’ll have to find another way of feeling superior”. 😅

Apologies for typos - autocorrect always alters words after I’ve moved down a few lines - sorry for not checking, I was just cross and had to post! 😂

I have about 1.5 stone of baby weight to lose, I'm not in the overweight category so I can't get the injections unfortunately. But if I could I definitely would! And I am delighted for those who got it and it is working for! Some people are just bitter and mean. Don't mind them! Well done on your loss.

There’s increasing evidence that there are benefits to WLI use that are not simply limited to weight loss.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/18/nx-s1-5156068/ozempic-semaglutide-alcohol-drug-treatment#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%2520believe%2520that%2520these%2520medications,%252C%2520randomized%252Dcontrolled%2520clinical%2520trials.

People absolutely hate fat people. They want us to stay fat, and suffer to try to not be fat, and fail to not be fat. We're the pillars of society's self esteem.

My daughter's dad - we're no longer together but he's still a significant relationship in my life - has been incredibly supportive and sees the weight loss as an achievement. He sees it's not just sticking myself with a needle and eating KFC 5 night a week - he sees me dealing with side effects, making significant life changes, moving around more freely, exercising more easily. But there are people who won't see that, even when you do it the 'authentic' way. They just see a prop.

I say fuck them. There are people who have never struggled with their weight and health who bother to listen and learn, and those who don't. Those who don't - fuck them. They're making it about them. They don't care about us, not really. Not when we're fat and not when we're no longer fat.

Yep! The stuff about Alzheimers is particularly exciting for me personally.

The hard part isn’t what you do eat. It’s what you don’t eat that’s just as important. And psyically putting the foot into your mouth and chewing isn’t hard. It’s wanting to eat healthily in the first place which is what the jab does hence the ‘cheat’ part

The increased risk to the pancreas and gall bladder isn’t great though is it.

pf those who supposedly feel superior- won’t those same people still feel superior as they haven’t needed injections to ‘cheat’?

I've been on both sides, super thin, running half marathons, always at the gym, super healthy. I then put on 6 stone, which I found it harder to shift with menopause. I've told noone about taking WLIs as its noones business but mine. Sorry you've experienced that attitude. Why wouldn't you take something that would help if you can afford it? distance yourself from people who make you feel rubbish or are not supportive, with anything where you can...

A few people have said people hate thin people, but I disagree. Because I can guarantee if this weightloss was without the jabs, I'd be a hero and inspiration and all those other positive phrases. But because I'm cheating and not experiencing the hardship of losing weight, because it's made calorie control so much eaiser, it's not to be celebrated.

I had my gallbladder out 3 years before starting WLIs, it’s a known side effect of obesity to have gallbladder issues, in my case mahoosive gallstones that caused a major infection hospitalising me and requiring emergency surgery.

interestingly, losing weight by any means is actually a known cause of gallstones. So gaining weight causes them and losing weight causes them. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

The increased risk due to being overweight or from MJ? Either way, in my case, it's a less significant concern than Alzheimers due to family history.

They will, but other people won't recognise them as such because they won't know the difference between a virtuous thin person and an MJ thin person. That's the concern.

Hate is a strong word. I think it's more of a case that for years, the majority of fat people told the world that they couldn't lose weight. Genetics, diets and exercise just not working etc.

You couldn't call a fat person lazy or greedy, because it wasn't their fault; they'd tried everything. They tried to get criticism of fat people lumped in with discrimination on the grounds of race or sex.

Now these jabs have come along and they work, because they help you (surprise surprise) eat less and as a result, move more.

Suddenly, all those people who were adamant that they couldn't lose weight are seeing it drop off, for the sole reason that they have something to do the hard work for them.

It's not hate, it's just a collective eye-roll that what fit, healthy people have been telling fat, unhealthy people for years was right.

Excellent and informative answer thanks.

I don’t use the jabs as, happily, I am not overweight enough. I follow the Joe Wicks plan and it’s working for me but I do think that the jabs are great.
If they are working for you, that’s brilliant. It’s not ‘cheating’ and it’s nobody’s business but yours.
A lass at my workplace is using the jabs and she is a couple of stone down and her friends and her team are cheering her on, all the way.
The GLP-1 thing has been around for years, Mel Robbins did a really interesting podcast about it.
Take no notice of those people. The fact that there is something to help people lose weight is fabulous. They are probably envious.

I said this on a thread a few months ago...

Society hates fat people but they really, really hate fat people losing weight.

For me the jab makes me feel what I perceive as 'normal' No more being obsessed with food, no more having hunger pangs 30 mins after eating the BIGGEST portion of food. MJ let's me say no to that second biscuit no matter how much I want it, it gives me willpower.

Re the risks.. I know two people who have had severe kidney problems but they weren’t very overweight to start and have had an eating disorder since being young. So the injections have set off their anorexia/bulimia again. They love how easy it is to have the control.
I haven’t heard of anything bad with anyone else beyond diarrhoea etc

It’s like being poor. Many wealthy people hate poor people but don’t want them not being poor. Basically many humans are selfish, weird twats.

Except that the way these medications work isn’t just making you feel full longer.

They work by changing your hormone levels, like anti-depressants work buy changing how much serotonin you produce, they create more of something that you are deficient in.

Are you suggesting that if people just had the right mindset, positive energy and willpower they could produce more insulin?

As per Google:

Mimicking GLP-1 and GIP:
Mounjaro activates the receptors for GLP-1 and GIP, which are hormones naturally produced in the gut.

Insulin Regulation:
By activating these receptors, Mounjaro helps the body produce more insulin when needed, improves insulin sensitivity, and reduces glucose production by the liver.

Appetite and Digestion:
Mounjaro can also help reduce appetite and slow down digestion, leading to a feeling of fullness for longer.

Overeating=addiction like any other, but you can’t go cold turkey, obviously. Being told to eat less, move more is desperately unhelpful.

On another thread this week, I saw lots of posts re education will learn them all, but frankly, if someone told me I was unaware of how nutrition works and fat is gained, I’d laugh. Been there, done that. I don’t think it’s as simple as that. You can be very educated in this aspect, yet you can’t stop stuffing food down.

Last time I checked free speech was allowed on Mumsnet and you don't get to police what people choose to say, regardless whether you consider it relevant or not. Your 'confidence' (I'd say arrogance, personally, going by your comments on this thread) doesn't 'offend' me, I'm plenty confident myself thanks (Newsflash! Big people can be confident!), and as for making me 'feel inferior'... 😂😂😂I am using MJ to lose weight for my health, not because being bigger was robbing me of self-esteem. Going by how you're coming over on this thread, I'd much rather be me (at any weight) than you.

How would they ever know though?

You couldn't call a fat person lazy or greedy, because it wasn't their fault; they'd tried everything.

Most obese and fat people have tried over and over and over again. It's not just about the toll being obese has on your body, it's also about the toll losing and regaining weight has. It also about the psychological impact. It's also about the lack of support, the lack of respect, the lack of information that isn't contradictory.

As for not calling fat people lazy or greedy, it's ALL people have called us, it's never stopped. The people who felt under pressure to stop being dickheads to fat people aren't victims here.