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Weight loss injections/treatments

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April 2025 Monjourno Starters - Thread 3!

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QS90 · 27/04/2025 10:17

Hopefully the title is correct this time!

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ZigZagJigsaw · 29/04/2025 01:14

fox919 · 28/04/2025 19:22

Each pen gives 4 doses of the prescribed amount (2.5, 5, 7.5 etc) but there’s extra leftover after those 4 doses that can be extracted and taken as a 5th dose. Is there a specific question about it that you have? Or are you just looking for a general understanding of what it is?

Thanks.

General understanding as I’m brand new. Waiting for my first 2 pens to arrive. How do you extract the golden dose please?

saxonyv · 29/04/2025 06:57

QS90 · 29/04/2025 00:15

Day 1 of the 5mg was fine - no side effects or anything unpleasant. Ate just under 800 calories too, because I just wasn't hungry 🤷‍♀️ So far so good.

Keep us updated, hoping to order 5mg after my next pen

GRCP · 29/04/2025 07:01

Weigh Day
Week 3 day 1
SW - 11st 12lbs
CW - 11st 6lbs

Week 1 -4lbs
Week 2 -2lbs

I should inject tonight but I’m considering delaying until tomorrow so my SEs hit on my quieter day at work… will see how I feel tonight.

RhaenysRocks · 29/04/2025 07:15

Seem to be stalling a little in wk4 though I'm not eating much. About to do a 3.75 golden dose then a 5mg pen, though I have decent suppression.

Golden dose is extracted with spare needles and syringes you can buy online (med company not Amazon). I haven't done it yet but plenty have - if you want detailed guidance others have posted upthread @ZigZagJigsaw

QS90 · 29/04/2025 07:24

Have put 0.6lb on today! My app says I'm about to ovulate though, so hopefully I'll see a loss once I'm done with that.

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Incognitoburrito88 · 29/04/2025 07:35

QS90 · 29/04/2025 07:24

Have put 0.6lb on today! My app says I'm about to ovulate though, so hopefully I'll see a loss once I'm done with that.

I’m kind of glad my scales aren’t accurate enough to track in grams! I’ve been weighing daily - even though I promised myself I wouldn’t - and there does seem to be a fair amount of random fluctuation up and down.

SweetChilliGirl · 29/04/2025 07:43

Incognitoburrito88 · 29/04/2025 07:35

I’m kind of glad my scales aren’t accurate enough to track in grams! I’ve been weighing daily - even though I promised myself I wouldn’t - and there does seem to be a fair amount of random fluctuation up and down.

I have scales that weigh to the nearest 1/8 of a pound but I ignore anything after the whole number of stones and pounds. So if I'd lost a fraction of a pound I wouldn't necessarily notice. My weight also goes up by several pounds over the day as I eat and drink so I usually only weigh myself first thing in the morning.

PinkCatInATree · 29/04/2025 07:58

Wk2 D6
Whether or not I will lose half my body weight as needed, I am really hoping my brain is changing for the long term. We are saving money on food and drink here too which will partly offset the cost of the pens. At the weekend I discovered that a huge glass of Fevertree Mediterranean with lots of ice and fruit in the pub meant I didn't miss the gin and no-one suspected a thing.

Beachbabes · 29/04/2025 09:17

Good morning, I am on W1 D4 and think I am down a couple of lbs (bought a new scales) however, I know I didn't eat enough yesterday. I know this is a really stupid question, but what does your suppression feel like? I was half thinking I would feel nauseous all the time and it would turn me off food, but I don't. I didn't eat until lunchtime yesterday and only had a bowl of soup until dinner. The reason I am asking this silly question as last night I didn't know if I was hungry or was it just habit, I am an awful evening snacker. I know I have to retrain my brain to eating only when I am hungry and stop the snacks. Not sure the food noise is gone either, but I think starting MJ is just constantly on my mind as its all so new, so I guess thats why I am thinking about what I am eating.

Lostfirsttimebuyer · 29/04/2025 12:23

PinkCatInATree · 29/04/2025 07:58

Wk2 D6
Whether or not I will lose half my body weight as needed, I am really hoping my brain is changing for the long term. We are saving money on food and drink here too which will partly offset the cost of the pens. At the weekend I discovered that a huge glass of Fevertree Mediterranean with lots of ice and fruit in the pub meant I didn't miss the gin and no-one suspected a thing.

Similar situation for me in terms of the pub! I found myself in the pub with work colleagues the other day after work - would usually order a pint with everyone, but I ordered a lime and soda water instead - no one commented like they would if I had ordered a tap water, and I really enjoyed it as it's not something I would have at home! Plus it was a Wetherspoons so it only cost me 40p! Instead of however much a pint would cost.

Lundier · 29/04/2025 13:40

I wrote this whole thing out for the old thread and then someone posted 😂This was for @StrikeForever

OK I will explain my imperfect understanding. Let's first briefly lay out how we accumulate fat. We digest food into carbs (glucose), fat (glycerol and fatty acids), protein (amino acids) and fibre. The glucose causes our blood sugar to rise and our body releases insulin. The insulin moves the sugar into our cells, where through processes like glycolysis, it's converted to ATP (what powers our cells). Anything we don't use right away is converted to glycogen and that is stored in our muscles and liver. When those stores are full, the liver converts the remaining glucose, along with available fatty acids (from your dinner or already in circulation), into triglycerides and stuff those into adipocytes (fat cells).

All these caches are accessed in a specific order to release energy when we need it: first, the glucose in your blood, then the glycogen stored in your liver (which shares glucose with the body) and muscles (which use it locally), and finally, the fat stored in your adipocytes (my enormous bottom). This is a bit complicated but basically a main driver of releasing stored energy when blood sugar is low is the peptide glucagon. Glucagon triggers glycogenolysis, the release of glucose from liver stores for energy, and then lipolysis, the breakdown of fat for energy using beta-oxidation. The waste products of this process are carbon dioxide and water, which you breathe out.

Glucagon drives this energy utilisation when blood sugar is low. GLP means glucagon like peptide. But interestingly, GLP-1 actually suppresses the release of glucagon by the pancreas and increases insulin release, specifically iwhen you eat carbs/sugar. This helps you use that energy from food right away really efficiently. Then, between meals or when you're sleeping, and your blood sugar naturally lowers, your body accesses your stores of fat for its energy – because lower insulin levels allow it – instead of making you feel driven to eat more energy. Because GLP-1 helps you eat less and less often by managing appetite, you get through your glycogen stores more readily and actually start burning the fat.

So why do we feel hungry when we are fat? It's basically for the same reason as T2 diabetics need insulin. When you've chronically elevated insulin in your system for a long time with high sugar, your body gets insulin resistant. Adipocytes release this signalling hormone called leptin that says "we've got enough energy stored" and stops you wanting to eat. But the more fat cells you have, the more leptin you are producing, until your brain becomes leptin resistant, or 'fat deaf'. Without the brain properly hearing leptin, the satiety hormone, you feel hungry even though you have the calories to hand, and your body drives you to eat more and more. It thinks it is starving!

GLP opposes the hunger hormone (ghrelin) in your brain and makes you more sensitive to leptin. With GLP-1, you feel less hungry, broadly, because you are able to access your stored calories, and, as your fat cells reduce and the level of circulating leptin in your system decreases, your body is able to begin recognising satiety again.

That's my basic laywoman's understanding of the process.

Galadali · 29/04/2025 14:03

@LundierThanks so much for that. I'm reading a lot of science stuff, but I think that's a brilliantly succinct explanation!

Pepperwaggytail · 29/04/2025 14:12

Lundier · 29/04/2025 13:40

I wrote this whole thing out for the old thread and then someone posted 😂This was for @StrikeForever

OK I will explain my imperfect understanding. Let's first briefly lay out how we accumulate fat. We digest food into carbs (glucose), fat (glycerol and fatty acids), protein (amino acids) and fibre. The glucose causes our blood sugar to rise and our body releases insulin. The insulin moves the sugar into our cells, where through processes like glycolysis, it's converted to ATP (what powers our cells). Anything we don't use right away is converted to glycogen and that is stored in our muscles and liver. When those stores are full, the liver converts the remaining glucose, along with available fatty acids (from your dinner or already in circulation), into triglycerides and stuff those into adipocytes (fat cells).

All these caches are accessed in a specific order to release energy when we need it: first, the glucose in your blood, then the glycogen stored in your liver (which shares glucose with the body) and muscles (which use it locally), and finally, the fat stored in your adipocytes (my enormous bottom). This is a bit complicated but basically a main driver of releasing stored energy when blood sugar is low is the peptide glucagon. Glucagon triggers glycogenolysis, the release of glucose from liver stores for energy, and then lipolysis, the breakdown of fat for energy using beta-oxidation. The waste products of this process are carbon dioxide and water, which you breathe out.

Glucagon drives this energy utilisation when blood sugar is low. GLP means glucagon like peptide. But interestingly, GLP-1 actually suppresses the release of glucagon by the pancreas and increases insulin release, specifically iwhen you eat carbs/sugar. This helps you use that energy from food right away really efficiently. Then, between meals or when you're sleeping, and your blood sugar naturally lowers, your body accesses your stores of fat for its energy – because lower insulin levels allow it – instead of making you feel driven to eat more energy. Because GLP-1 helps you eat less and less often by managing appetite, you get through your glycogen stores more readily and actually start burning the fat.

So why do we feel hungry when we are fat? It's basically for the same reason as T2 diabetics need insulin. When you've chronically elevated insulin in your system for a long time with high sugar, your body gets insulin resistant. Adipocytes release this signalling hormone called leptin that says "we've got enough energy stored" and stops you wanting to eat. But the more fat cells you have, the more leptin you are producing, until your brain becomes leptin resistant, or 'fat deaf'. Without the brain properly hearing leptin, the satiety hormone, you feel hungry even though you have the calories to hand, and your body drives you to eat more and more. It thinks it is starving!

GLP opposes the hunger hormone (ghrelin) in your brain and makes you more sensitive to leptin. With GLP-1, you feel less hungry, broadly, because you are able to access your stored calories, and, as your fat cells reduce and the level of circulating leptin in your system decreases, your body is able to begin recognising satiety again.

That's my basic laywoman's understanding of the process.

That’s so helpful. I’m pretty sure I’m pre diabetic (would I know?) and I’m sure HRT also messes with your ability to burn your existing fat. Plus all the women in my family going back generations put on weight very easily. Plus years of dieting have probably wrecked my ability to access stored fat. No wonder I’ve been stuck for so long. 😒

MissCreative · 29/04/2025 14:23

QS90 · 27/04/2025 10:17

Hopefully the title is correct this time!

Thanks for this

wordywitch · 29/04/2025 14:34

I just saw a friend’s wife who we see occasionally socially post a scaremongering story on social media about weight loss injections and how we don’t know what’s in them and to be careful 🙄

The irony is she injects people with Botox and fillers for a living 😂

QS90 · 29/04/2025 14:42

wordywitch · 29/04/2025 14:34

I just saw a friend’s wife who we see occasionally socially post a scaremongering story on social media about weight loss injections and how we don’t know what’s in them and to be careful 🙄

The irony is she injects people with Botox and fillers for a living 😂

It's just such an odd an arbitrary thing to be judgy about!

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QS90 · 29/04/2025 14:44

Checking in - jabbed with 5mg pen Sunday night and still no side effects. Touch wood, feel I likely would have had any side effects by now.

Amazing suppression - maybe even better than when I started the 2.5mg? Off for a walk now in the 🌞

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Wonderfulstuff · 29/04/2025 14:50

Pepperwaggytail · 29/04/2025 14:12

That’s so helpful. I’m pretty sure I’m pre diabetic (would I know?) and I’m sure HRT also messes with your ability to burn your existing fat. Plus all the women in my family going back generations put on weight very easily. Plus years of dieting have probably wrecked my ability to access stored fat. No wonder I’ve been stuck for so long. 😒

A simple blood test will tell you if you're pre-diabetic. You can discuss with your GP but it's easily checked if you're worried.

SausageRoll90 · 29/04/2025 14:54

Lundier · 29/04/2025 13:40

I wrote this whole thing out for the old thread and then someone posted 😂This was for @StrikeForever

OK I will explain my imperfect understanding. Let's first briefly lay out how we accumulate fat. We digest food into carbs (glucose), fat (glycerol and fatty acids), protein (amino acids) and fibre. The glucose causes our blood sugar to rise and our body releases insulin. The insulin moves the sugar into our cells, where through processes like glycolysis, it's converted to ATP (what powers our cells). Anything we don't use right away is converted to glycogen and that is stored in our muscles and liver. When those stores are full, the liver converts the remaining glucose, along with available fatty acids (from your dinner or already in circulation), into triglycerides and stuff those into adipocytes (fat cells).

All these caches are accessed in a specific order to release energy when we need it: first, the glucose in your blood, then the glycogen stored in your liver (which shares glucose with the body) and muscles (which use it locally), and finally, the fat stored in your adipocytes (my enormous bottom). This is a bit complicated but basically a main driver of releasing stored energy when blood sugar is low is the peptide glucagon. Glucagon triggers glycogenolysis, the release of glucose from liver stores for energy, and then lipolysis, the breakdown of fat for energy using beta-oxidation. The waste products of this process are carbon dioxide and water, which you breathe out.

Glucagon drives this energy utilisation when blood sugar is low. GLP means glucagon like peptide. But interestingly, GLP-1 actually suppresses the release of glucagon by the pancreas and increases insulin release, specifically iwhen you eat carbs/sugar. This helps you use that energy from food right away really efficiently. Then, between meals or when you're sleeping, and your blood sugar naturally lowers, your body accesses your stores of fat for its energy – because lower insulin levels allow it – instead of making you feel driven to eat more energy. Because GLP-1 helps you eat less and less often by managing appetite, you get through your glycogen stores more readily and actually start burning the fat.

So why do we feel hungry when we are fat? It's basically for the same reason as T2 diabetics need insulin. When you've chronically elevated insulin in your system for a long time with high sugar, your body gets insulin resistant. Adipocytes release this signalling hormone called leptin that says "we've got enough energy stored" and stops you wanting to eat. But the more fat cells you have, the more leptin you are producing, until your brain becomes leptin resistant, or 'fat deaf'. Without the brain properly hearing leptin, the satiety hormone, you feel hungry even though you have the calories to hand, and your body drives you to eat more and more. It thinks it is starving!

GLP opposes the hunger hormone (ghrelin) in your brain and makes you more sensitive to leptin. With GLP-1, you feel less hungry, broadly, because you are able to access your stored calories, and, as your fat cells reduce and the level of circulating leptin in your system decreases, your body is able to begin recognising satiety again.

That's my basic laywoman's understanding of the process.

This a brilliant explanation of a very scientific process. It also explains why having insulin resistant dominant PCOS has been causing such a barrier to my weight loss. I knew I had it but it took a long time to diagnose.

SausageRoll90 · 29/04/2025 14:57

Check in from me - W3D4 for me today. The suppression is suppressing nicely 👍🏻 I'm still eating but I'm feeling fuller quicker and not needing to snack at all.
I can't remember the persons name to tag but someone was asking about food noise and snacking etc. for me that's part of the suppression, I'm such a habit snacker and the mj stops me feeling like I want it. I do still look in the cupboard or mooch around the kitchen in the evening but I don't fancy anything which gives me space to think I don't need this and stop myself from eating. It's going to be something we learn I think. Just MJ makes it easier. I don't know if that makes sense

SurreyGirl69 · 29/04/2025 15:26

Lundier · 29/04/2025 13:40

I wrote this whole thing out for the old thread and then someone posted 😂This was for @StrikeForever

OK I will explain my imperfect understanding. Let's first briefly lay out how we accumulate fat. We digest food into carbs (glucose), fat (glycerol and fatty acids), protein (amino acids) and fibre. The glucose causes our blood sugar to rise and our body releases insulin. The insulin moves the sugar into our cells, where through processes like glycolysis, it's converted to ATP (what powers our cells). Anything we don't use right away is converted to glycogen and that is stored in our muscles and liver. When those stores are full, the liver converts the remaining glucose, along with available fatty acids (from your dinner or already in circulation), into triglycerides and stuff those into adipocytes (fat cells).

All these caches are accessed in a specific order to release energy when we need it: first, the glucose in your blood, then the glycogen stored in your liver (which shares glucose with the body) and muscles (which use it locally), and finally, the fat stored in your adipocytes (my enormous bottom). This is a bit complicated but basically a main driver of releasing stored energy when blood sugar is low is the peptide glucagon. Glucagon triggers glycogenolysis, the release of glucose from liver stores for energy, and then lipolysis, the breakdown of fat for energy using beta-oxidation. The waste products of this process are carbon dioxide and water, which you breathe out.

Glucagon drives this energy utilisation when blood sugar is low. GLP means glucagon like peptide. But interestingly, GLP-1 actually suppresses the release of glucagon by the pancreas and increases insulin release, specifically iwhen you eat carbs/sugar. This helps you use that energy from food right away really efficiently. Then, between meals or when you're sleeping, and your blood sugar naturally lowers, your body accesses your stores of fat for its energy – because lower insulin levels allow it – instead of making you feel driven to eat more energy. Because GLP-1 helps you eat less and less often by managing appetite, you get through your glycogen stores more readily and actually start burning the fat.

So why do we feel hungry when we are fat? It's basically for the same reason as T2 diabetics need insulin. When you've chronically elevated insulin in your system for a long time with high sugar, your body gets insulin resistant. Adipocytes release this signalling hormone called leptin that says "we've got enough energy stored" and stops you wanting to eat. But the more fat cells you have, the more leptin you are producing, until your brain becomes leptin resistant, or 'fat deaf'. Without the brain properly hearing leptin, the satiety hormone, you feel hungry even though you have the calories to hand, and your body drives you to eat more and more. It thinks it is starving!

GLP opposes the hunger hormone (ghrelin) in your brain and makes you more sensitive to leptin. With GLP-1, you feel less hungry, broadly, because you are able to access your stored calories, and, as your fat cells reduce and the level of circulating leptin in your system decreases, your body is able to begin recognising satiety again.

That's my basic laywoman's understanding of the process.

This a fantastic explanation @Lundier - thank you for taking the time .

Lardybumbum · 29/04/2025 15:33

Hello! Just started MJ 10days ago so on my 2nd 2.5mg dose this week. Week one I had digestive discomfort but not much else. Weeks 2 slight nausea here and there, mostly when I hadn’t eaten in a while and a bit of a dicky tummy today. I’m a baby when it comes to feeling sick so I’m probably over exaggerating cos it really isn’t too bad but I am a bit scared to fart right now.

I've lost 8lb but it seems to fluctuate wildly day to day which confuses me (and I know I shouldn’t weigh daily but I’m curious to see what happens day to day from a hormonal pov too cos perimenopause is kicking my butt!)

I'm terrified of the side effects getting bad especially when dosing up and while I don’t have much food noise suppression yet, I do recognise feeling full which is completely new to me in adulthood. I still feel cravings but I can’t be bothered to see them through or just a small taste suffices. Is this how normal eaters feel?

has anyone who had nausea and digestive issues at 2.5 managed to dose up without them getting worse?

MissCreative · 29/04/2025 17:06

QS90 · 29/04/2025 14:42

It's just such an odd an arbitrary thing to be judgy about!

That’s quite funny in its own way!! Thing is there are risks and side effects to everything but we have to look at the bigger picture! It is very worthy to look after our health than to have Botox!!

AgileUser · 29/04/2025 17:28

I’ve just watched this with Dr Andrew Jenkinson (an obesity expert).
really interesting and easy to understand explanation on obesity. (although I personally found the twins annoying!! 🤣)

I am now going to read his latest book because understanding more on what I eat around Leptin and Insulin, and how to get it working for me whilst I am on MJ will hopefully make it easier when I come off it

podcast with Dr Andre Jenkinson

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_P8SMKN0Y5FBbf-nWTD0RQ

StrikeForever · 29/04/2025 17:45

Brilliant @Lundier thank you 🙂

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