Mounjuro August thread 12

[Blondeshavemorefun]

Wow who would have thought it

We are doing so well. 7mths

Hugs all the auggies and all of us have lost a fair amount of weight

Some still have weight to lose myself included

Equally a few are nearing their healthy bmi or have reached it and thinking about maintaining

And all I can say is an elephants penis 😂😂😂

I can’t get my head around the fact that my waist is 35 inches , yours is smaller and yet sizing so different ?! I guess I’ll have smaller hips etc being short but I’m still 35 inches all round my podgy stomach. And I still clearly look like an apple shape🍎 my brain hurts if I try to understand 😅 and I do have 27lbs still to go😛

Glad you’re not in pain and having a break from it. I have disabilities and can’t really walk much at all so pain around often and it is wearing, you appreciate the times when it lessens.
you've done so well, it’s brilliant to hear about those getting to goal. Feels like we’re all travelling along together and just at different stations along the way🚃

You need a soft dress makers tape measure for measuring your body. Hold it snug to your skin but not tight.

If you don't have a soft tape measure then use string or ribbon and then measure it with your builders tape measure or a ruler.

I agree regarding BMI, most people who say it is bollocks are in denial.

For most people they will be healthy somewhere in the healthy bracket. Some might be healthy a bit over the bracket or might need to be lower within the bracket to be healthy but if you are obese according to BMI unless you are a serious body builder you need to lose some fat.

I had a body composition scan as part of my private health care check in last year. My BMI was obese, 31 ish if I remember correctly, however my body fat was only within the overweight category because I had good muscle. That doesn't mean BMI is wrong, just that occasionally people can be a point or two outside the norm.

I work my BMI out on a height of 5'6 - I'm a bit over this but not quite 5'7!

My waist is currently 34.5 inches, so ratio is about 52%

To be honest it's what's going on below the waist that bothers me more, the lower belly is the issue!

Looking up uk size calculator, it says waist is around about an 18. I'm fitting in some 14s, but would say 16 is more realistic size for me right now. I don't actually own much in a 16 to be fair - got rid of most of my 18s and 20s, and didn't want buy much in 16 since I'm hoping to be moving on down! I can't imagine getting to a 12 honestly, and I'm not too fussed if I don't. Comfortably in a 14 will do me, which hopefully with another stone off I'll be there easily. I've got big hips, broad shoulders and back, big bum(even in the brief spell of me being a slim teen I had a big round bum - wasn't seen as so desirable in those pre-kardashian days!, biggish (now slightly deflated) boobs - kind of an hourglass shape just a fat hourglass 😂

I so agree @WorriedRelative and get really vexed by people saying it's bollocks. It's a good rule of thumb on a population level, so there are inevitably some outliers who are outside the norm, but it holds true for most people. What I find most vexing is people sounding outraged about the lower point of their recommended healthy range as if someone is giving them a completely unrealistic target. It's a range! The whole point of a range is that you have to be somewhere within it, not that you have to be at one end or another.

Re sizing, I think it's just a complex mix of height, weight and shape. My waist is currently 32 and I'm in a 12, but I could probably be in a smaller size if it was just based on waist. However, I still have a humungous flabby, droopy spare type around my hips, so this uses up a lot of space and fabric. I'm glad to see my waist has re-emerged, but the below navel splodginess is unpleasant and definitely affects sizing more than weight and waist!

@AuntieDote what is going on below the waist is largely cosmetic and doesn't matter as much for health purposes.

@weaselyeyes

Totally with you on BMI, and on the Facebook groups I see loads of people who claim they have been told their ideal weight is some very low amount. When you question them this is a BMI of below 20, and they use this as evidence that BMI is rubbish, when it is actually their misunderstanding.

I have had many discussions that end up with, unless you are only 4ft6 tall that is not your healthy weight.

As for clothes sizes they are so inconsistent I ignore them entirely. I don't understand why people say things like "I don't have a goal weight I just want to be able to wear a size 12". How the heck can you measure that!? I have clothes in my wardrobe that I can wear in a size 12 to a size 20 and they all fit because sizing in the UK is bullshit.

I guess it's a sort of built-in denial in case of failure, which I can empathise with, but the misunderstanding drives me crazy. The genuine arguments against BMI aren't that the range is 'wrong' or that there are outliers - few of us have to worry about being so musclebound that we defy the norm! It's more that it's not a total picture of health if you take it alone as the sole measure. So someone could be in the healthy range, but their waist to height ratio would still suggest potential problems or someone could be carrying quite a lot of visceral fat whilst being slim. So BMI is only really inadequate because it's a bit of a crude measure if you rely on it exclusively to judge an individual's health - but that's not really what it's designed for.

I'm glad to know that! I think that's what still makes me feel very much like a fat person.

@Blondeshavemorefun you asked about my DD - she's 4 and a half. She had the height/ weight check in reception and I got the letter I was expecting saying she's overweight - it's only slightly and I was kind of expecting it based on what I know from when she likes to step on the scales if she sees me doing it (not often, and we only ever talk about them measuring how strong we're getting!)

I know it's easy to be deluded, and they say parents can't judge well, and I WAS incredibly upset and feeling guilty about it all. But at the same time:

1. mumsnet is obsessed with seeing kids ribs and you can actually see DD's
2. it said it put her in 93rd centile - and I was a bit like 'no shit, that's exactly where she's been since she was a baby'. She's above 90th for height too.
3. the letter included a link to this thing where you clicked on an image that you felt best matched the child's body shape, then you put the height and weight in and it shows you you're wrong and it's actually this one which shows a fatter child - the one they showed absolutely didn't look like DD, I mean objectively - there were curves/ fat places on the image which DD simply doesn't have that's not just me being deluded
4. I did her height/ waist ratio and it's exactly 50%

She's like me in that we both have broad shoulders, massive heads (seriously DD can already wear my adult women's hats and they fit her, most kids ones are too small for example), big feet (she's only one size smaller than her 8 year old cousin) etc. She's not a dainty little dot and is never going to be, and my heart does break for her in the sense that I hope she never experiences the agonies about that that I did growing up! I have two very petite doll-like sisters too, I just always felt that I existed on an entirely different scale to them somehow, as well as to my dainty little friends - not sure why but all my besties are about 5 foot and size 8!

With DD, I'd argue she eats a lot better than many 4 year olds out there. I've always cooked from scratch for her meals, we don't have sugary cereal, she gets plenty of protein, veg and fruit. We make our own bread. She's had McDonalds precisely 3 times in her entire life. She drinks water or milk - only gets juice/ fruit shoot type things if it's at a birthday party. What did creep in a lot more was sweet treat/ snack type things - not so much from us although we were guilty of it too, but definitely from other family members, friends, neighbours even! I used to just be of the 'well if it's available she has it and I don't limit it, because it's not available all the time' approach - but it started to get available most bloody days - there'd be a birthday party of someone at school gave out sweets or we bumped into one of her fan club of older ladies in our close who handed her a packet of smarties or Grandpa came round with an entire bloody Colin the caterpillar cake for no apparent reason etc etc. So we're working on reigning that in now - the weekend in Blackpool was not particularly helpful in that regard but back to normal school routine now. She's really active and that's the other thing I'm trying to make sure she keeps up and adds to.

I won't lie though, I find it all very fraught and emotional - the last thing I ever wanted was for her to struggle like I have and I can't shake this feeling that I've completely failed her already. As DH said 'well we're both overweight so what chance did she have' - I wasn't able to breastfeed however hard I tried which I had a lot of grief about, and I took such care with weaning as in my way that was 'making up' for it somehow, setting her up for a healthy life and relationship with food - now I keep thinking I did it wrong, put too much focus on food, made it too enjoyable, set her up for the obsessions and battles I've struggled with. My friend with a child the same age never allowed anything sweet and at the time I was thinking 'she's just going to rebel and be more desperate for them as she gets older' - but turns out that child now doesn't even like chocolate or sweet stuff and it's my child, who has always been allowed it in moderation and I've tried to model a 'no big deal' approach, but still she's obsessed and begging for bloody sweets all the time.

Sorry, that was such a long rant and only tangentially related to the thread. I do feel so worried about it all.

Aww @AuntieDote, I really hear you on how fraught it all feels! My daughter is older now, but I had all these same kinds of feelings and still do. I think you're conscious of potential pitfalls, so you'll do your best - which is much better than being oblivious. I wish my mum had put as much thought into how to keep me slimmer rather than fattening me up, shaming me, making me diet, then rewarding me with food! She's still so young, and kids do tend to get fatter before they suddenly get taller, so it should even out.

It sounds like she's fine for now and all you need to do is keep an eye to see if you can stop her gaining too much. It's great you're aware as it means you can work on a longer trajectory and you won't need to implement diets. I think it was dieting more than overeating which wrecked my body and metabolism. As she gets older, though, you become more and more conscious of the fact that you're just one influence on her - there's loads more out there, so you can't be in complete control, just hope you can guide her well. I think the absolute best thing you can do is do what you're doing already - get yourself slimmer, be a good example, and do more things with her with the energy you gain, so that crappy foods become a less enticing treat compared to having fun with you. I really tried to crack my weight when my daughter was young, but though I had periods of being fine, I couldn't sustain it, and I really regret that.

Aw that’s a shame that you feel bad about your food approach with your DD when you’re trying your best for her although I think as parents who try hard, we’re always questioning ourselves from an overly critical angle. I did breastfeed my 3, now adult children, although was a challenge in itself and if it makes you feel any better they’re all different about sweet things . One has a very sweet tooth and finds it hard to break although her weight is only a little into the overweight BMI and the other two are very slim . However one of those has a healthy diet and prioritises this but the other eats lots of takeaways and rubbish 🤷🏻‍♀️ they all had the same approach at weaning and home cooked food at home etc . There’s lots of factors around us which makes food choices challenging. Should add the one with the healthiest diet was breastfed for least amount of time for various reasons !

@eeeeeeeee I still object to being called super obese but Kwym

@Azuresky68 size 8. Oh wow. Well done !

I take daily co codemal so feel your pain. Literally 💐

@Slimhopes my waist is 36 so bigger then you and I have child bearing hips

@AuntieDote great you can get into 14 and 16

you sound similar shape to me and height - def have the boobs bum and tum

re bmi - I guess so many people are used to being bigger that they don’t really see theirselves as fat/big due to being that size

but when do the bmi and should be 20/25 or even 18. That seems too skinny to me

@AuntieDote dd sounds fine to me. You don’t want to see ribs and if tall then likely to weigh more then a smaller short 4yr

what size feet - dd is 8 next month and in 11 for school shoes and 12 trainers

only 3 mac. Wow. Puts me to shame - dd gets one every other month if not more ☺️

you Havnt failed dd at all 💐 and you know to keep an eye on her weight

bf isn’t the be all and end. Great if you can. Doesn’t matter if you can’t and honestly it makes no diff to what they are like when older

we chat about anything here so don’t worry 💖

15 has arrived but have to say I’m not impressed with the packaging 😡😡😡

people might recognise the pink and black and says oushk on it

so if someone was with you who was using mj but you didn’t want them to know you were - it’s obvious

other suppliers put it in plain bags

I may email them and mention not impressed with their packaging and know postie knows I’m in it !!

I think on another thread I read that they now want you to pay extra for discreet packaging, which sounds like a very off-putting con to me!

Their website says discreet

Yep. I’m bloody annoyed - I have sent this !! Wonder if they will reply

Oh @Blondeshavemorefun how annoying! The postman shouldn't have said anything though 😬

I suppose oushk will argue it could be anything from their pharmacy in there... but still plain packaging would be better. I've only ever had plain packaging from chemist 4 u.

In regards to weighing of daughter @AuntieDote I pulled both my kids out of the reception/year 6 weight things. I don't agree with them being weighed for no reason. I don't think either of them would have been overweight but either way I can remember being weighed at school I didn't like it. You can always pull her out of the next one she'll get. I'm sure she's perfect ☺️

Thanks guys, I appreciate your reassurance. And yes, DD is absolutely perfect, she's a feisty one but she's just pure sunshine too. Just booked tickets to the 'Princess Proms' for her 5th birthday in the summer, she'll love it. Maybe I'll whack a princess number on myself, should hopefully be feeling pretty slinky by then 😂

@Blondeshavemorefun oh that's annoying. I haven't ordered since Dec, but I'm pretty sure it used to come in plain packaging.

Well done...they need to address this. I am about to reorder. I will say in my comments that I want plain packaging..

Well I am very impressed with their customer service. Email reply in mins !!

you can choose discreet grey. And they’ve given me a code with £15 off and free p&p next order

I replied thank you and praised their quick customer service

Glad they did that @Blondeshavemorefun I was impressed with their customer service too. There was a mess up with mine when I ordered for a specific date but it didn't come then it came when I was away, it was height of last summer and I was concerned about it being not refrigerated as I couldn't get it for another week. Because I live local they actually came and hand delivered another to me once I was home, and took the other one back. So it seems they do get it wrong but are always willing to correct which is good.

But I think I read on another thread that the discreet option costs more, which is a bit crap if true. At least it won't cost more for you next time with your code @Blondeshavemorefun , glad they replied.

It’s 50p more they’ve just emailed

@Blondeshavemorefun how unprofessional of that courier! They shouldn’t be questioning you about what’s in any parcel, let alone medication