Mounjaro February to April 24 starters - Thread 4

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4th thread!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/weight-loss-injections/5207564-mounjaro-february-to-april-24-starters-thread-3?page=40&reply=141722167

Thank you. I shall order and give it a go. I've got 15% off and free delivery with Oushk because of the maintenance plan so I'll find their version.

I would say my issue with Oushk is that they seem to struggle with administering the maintenance plan. They seem to have to bill manually so I end up chasing them up for fear of them saying I'm not longer in the plan, and the emailed codes for discounts is very clunky.

Morning,

That's useful to be aware of with Oushk @Wonkypictureframe .
The "ice cream" recipe I used was half a pot of cottage cheese (about 100g), 1 x scoop protein powder and the recipe suggested honey but I put a small dash of no cal vanilla syrup in. Just whizzed in a blender and then placed in freezer, giving it a stir evey hour for 3 hours. Texture was creamy and definitely satisfying, I'll definitely make it again.

I've just put a post up in AIBU, it's very rare that I do but the article about the genetic driver to overeat from University of Cambridge yesterday interested me. Basically if you read it on the university's paper (not the link I added, easy to google) it says while all lab owners know they need to watch what their dogs eat the fact is 25% of labradors have the gene that drives overeating and underactivity beyond that usually seen in labs. The scientist quoted said that owners of slim dogs are not morally superior, their dog might just have the normal labradors' drive to overeat and not the faulty gene, and therefore don't have to work as hard at managing their dog's weight.
The article goes on to say the same has been found in humans. Yes dogs are not humans, and we are responsible for our own actions - but the point is the gene appears to cause much stronger/longer lasting feelings of hunger, ie drive to eat.

It just made me think of a thread from the other day where a poster was (understandably) lamenting that they couldn't access WLI because they weren't heavy enough, but family members who were obese had got them and are now slimmer than her. Not so much thinking of the poster (I do get where she's coming from, it's frustrating to struggle with weight loss whether you're obese or just overweight), but so many replies were of the "it's just greed" and "WLI is cheating" school of sneering - and in my entirely non-scientific way it seemed to me that scientists have found the explanation for that apparent "greed". AIBU is the area that sees the most traffic so I decided to post it there to spread awareness of the article really - what people want to draw from it is up to them, maybe an owner of a fat labrador will feel less guilty for struggling to manage their pup's weight? No doubt some will reference "looking for excuses", I just thought it was interesting and shared that with the Internet who doesn't care what I think, and that's ok!

@Wonkypictureframe
Re the manual billing - presume you mean on the flex plan? I agree, it does seem a bit odd. Also they definitely take on new customers (seen it on FB group) who have had a gap and want to restart who aren't on the flex plan so it seems a bit unfair. Plus other companies will re-prescribe now, without a monthly payment. All the plans were supposed to be being reviewed and relaunched a while back so hopefully it'll get changed in time. I think they've maybe got a bit distracted by the introduction of the 5min video weight confirmation thing and trying to get their website sorted.

I'm on the Conti plan and that seems to be working ok with the codes although I'm having to keep an eye on time between orders as I'm counting clicks and going way over the 30 days - I'm hoping this won't cause problems as I really can't afford a pen every month for the rest of forever!

Ps I don't think Oushk sell syringes but ukmedi is a good reliable and cheap option

@KrankyKumquat thanks for the syringe info.

Totally agree that the Flex plan isn't entirely thought through! I don't mind it at the moment as it gives me the discount and free postage, and I never really did the shopping around before as it was so much hassle for the sake of £15 or so I could afford. But it's already dropped in price once and I wonder if it will survive.They do need to automate it though as I end up having to Whatsapp them constantly about it and that's a pain.

Has anyone else seen this? It’s made me feel quite emotional as it sums up so well how I feel.

Weight-loss drugs expose women to society's harsh judgements on their bodies https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly62lmpll3o

Interesting. I personally haven’t found this, other than feeling rewarded by the health benefits! I’ve just cleaned the car and I think I might do the other one. Historically that would have been too much for me. It’s so nice to have energy again with my body not failing me!

@Wonkypictureframe
I relate to a lot of it. When I was obese, I always felt I took up too much space especially as I'm tall as well. I felt like Shrek, lumbering around, shaking the floor, getting in the way, slowing things down, screaming discomfort and embarrassment.

Now, I feel like I take up the space I'm entitled to. I feel more physically confident, I know people aren't judging my abilities and character on my being fat. I don't give a damn about being more attractive to men - I know my age makes me generally pretty much invisible and I still dress how others would probably describe as pretty badly😅. But it's so nice to just fit in better.

My bestie says I move more confidently and that's more than just being physically more mobile, but about looking like I'm meant to be there, rather than apologising for existing.

It's held me back so badly. I wish I could have felt like this 30 years ago.

All of the above, @KrankyKumquat . I’m no longer permanently apologising for existing.

I feel this way too... since last August I've had workers tripping over themselves to help me. People are friendlier, my husband says it's because my whole demeanour has changed and I look more approachable- no more resting bitch face.

I had a treat Starbucks the other week and I said to hubby it's nice to drink it and not feel I'm being judged by anyone 🤣

Oh gosh yes @KrankyKumquat , all of this

I used to sit in meetings/groups of friends etc comparing myself unfavourably to others and feeling shame and embarrassment. Now I feel more confident in myself and don't have those feelings at all. It's great.

NSV and I can also move easily in bath tube ( think otter, not whale) as I noted the other night!

Can anyone help me figure out how to make a 15 out of a 12.5 and some mj left over from last week? I have bought the injections and needles to extract it. I've been on 12.5 for ages, just ordered another as I'm feeling fine on it but it's not really working anymore. I've never extracted any before.

12.5mg from a 12.5mg pen is 0.6ml.
To make that up to 15mg you would need another 2.5mg = 0.12ml.
So it would be 0.72ml if extracted with a syringe.
On a 1ml syringe that will be up to the 72 line.

Thank you @Snozzlemaid - I really couldn't figure out how to do it with the different measurements

That calculation is based on amounts taken from a 12.5mg pen by the way.
Just in case your left over is a different strength pen.

It is a 12.5, thanks

I was always a bit sceptical about reports of “weak” pens, that is, where dosing doesn’t seem to have much effect & the contents has been compromised through exposure to heat, etc.
However, I returned from holiday 2 weeks ago & started a new, promptly delivered, cold (& I kept it cold) pen. The effects are much stronger than what I felt on holiday, so I suspect that with travel, etc, my MJ was a bit less effective.
It must be a thing.

Week 52 weigh in today, one whole year down. I have lost 51kg in total, BMI currently 25.4 so haven't quite made it to a healthy BMI but I'm so close. I can't quite believe I've made it to this point, I've never kept to a weight loss routine for so long and so consistently. Really glad I made this decision a year ago!

That is amazing! Fantastic stuff.

So the latest fat bash thread............. Why should fat people get help with injections when they are cutting funding to anorexia services.............

It seems not all disordered eating is equal.
Disordered under eating....Worthy of help and sympathy.
Disordered over eating.......... you are fat and unworthy, go away and die and I hope the injections don't work for you.

Makes me so angry.

Yes just fell across that post - she really showed her true colours when she posted further a bit later. Very goady. I couldn't be bothered to join in, I'm so tired of crap like this.

In happier news, all my stats on the Renpho scales have gone green! The sub-cut fat one was the most stubborn but just scrapped into green today. BMI down 12, visceral fat down 8, metabolic age down 10 years and 4 years under true age. But according to the smartbmi calculator I'm edging into unhealthy weight and need to gain a bit so will be titrating down to 4mg this week. It's still a work in progress. How's everyone else doing with their stats?

Whoops!

Wow, that is amazing! I don't think I'll ever see my SC fat go green (although I tell myself that Renpho has very high (or possibly low) expectations of what SC fat a middle-aged woman should have).

You'd be surprised @Wonkypictureframe . It really started to shift when I hit healthy BMI, it started at 34% so it's not a long range.

One year today from first MJ and 74lb down. (had lost 25lb on Ozempic in the 6 months before that so it's a mighty total)

BMI 18.1, Size 4.
I had annual. phone consult with my rheumatology consultant yesterday. Told her the joints are all great. Said I had lost lots of weight which is helping but didn't mention how😳. I am convinced that MJ has lowered all my inflammation markers.
I haven't actively decided to try maintaining, I have just stopped losing. I am still strict on fairly low cals but I have been sitting on 109lb for a couple of months now. It's good not to gain, but the low calorie requirement just to maintain is a bit scary for the future.

I admit that I miss chasing the dropped pounds, it is a bit addictive. But realistically it wouldn't be healthy. Just need to accept the remaining jiggly bits as part of my age/ having twins!

I have gone from fattest person in any room to being the skinniest in any room. What a year.