Do any providers under 25 bmi?

[coldcallerbaiter]

Say you are BMI 24.9 or 25.5 etc and hold weight around the middle, are there providers who ignore the over 27 BMI rule? Or do you just have to lie?

No. Of course not.

No.

And why would you lie, do you not understand these are serious prescribed meds??

No of course not. It's a prescription medication, they can't ignore the prescribing rules. It would be highly risky to acquire it fraudulently (and illegal), and take it when you don't meet the medical criteria.

Absolutely not. Certainly no reputable ones. And there is a ton of fake shit out there that could make you very ill from people looking to make a quick buck at the expense of other people and their health.

You need to be bmi 30+ or 27 plus with a weight related condition to be prescribed Mounjaro

Most ask for photo evidence so you can't just lie, some also write to your GP. Your name is coldcallerbaiter so are you just baiting?

They are prescription only medication, with risks, to treat the very real health issues of obesity. The health risks from obesity outweigh the risks of the medication.

They are not for cosmetic weight loss.

WLI are prescription only medication, with potentially life changing side effects, for people desperate to get down to a healthy BMI because their obesity is affecting their health. You have a healthy BMI and it would be dangerously irresponsible for anyone to prescribe to you. It's really worrying how casual your 'just lie' is.

No and if they did they wouldn't be a regulated/legit/safe supplier at all so christ knows what you'd end up with.

Why would you want to take a drug with very real and sometimes very serious side effects when you arent very overweight???

Christ, people are weird

One of my colleagues takes it (private prescription). I don't know what her BMI was when she started but am fairly sure it wasn't over 25. She's gone from a size 12 to a size 8 and is very open about the fact that she has done it purely for weight loss. So she's clearly managed to get round the rules.

edited to add: I think it's madness to take a serious medication that you don't meet the criteria for.

Let me guess.
You're going to lie to obtain it then when you end up hospitalised for taking medication that isn't meant for you, you'll go straight to the Daily Mail with your sad compo face demanding it be banned?

Would you take an inhaler? or ADHD medication? Or medication thats for people with heart issues? Or is it just Mounjaro you'll lie to obtain?

and just to add..there are some prescribers who WILL prescribe to people with a BMI of 24/25 BUT they only prescribe as a maintenance dose to people who STARTED at a BMI over 30.

Go and gain 4 stone then you'll be eligible to take it.

This. And you must know this OP.

@coldcallerbaiter people like you give these injections a bad rep. Use your common sense!

She will be buying from some shady hairdresser or Botox person.

the deaths so far globally. Are all down to fake shit and reckless usage such as this.

it’s crazy. These fools are literally dying to be thin”ner”. The idiocy is astonishing.

@Shrinkingrose I'd be terrified to do something like that. Mind you, I think people are bonkers to let beauty therapists who've done a 1 day course inject them with Botox.

The irony is that, although she now has a great figure (it was pretty good before tbh), her face looks dreadful - really drawn and haggard. And that's what people notice more than her body size.

She’s prob starving herself and not even doing it right, ie enough protein, enough cals, and exercise. You end up losing muscle. And it shows in our appearance. And if she’s not eating enough cals, so the scales move fast, it will come back on very fast when she stops.

I think there is a lot of judgement towards people who struggle with their weight and have serious food noise, but who are not over 27 or 30 BMI.

When someone goes from 30 to 24 BMI, people are fine with them continuing to take mounjaro, sometimes in doses as high as 15mg. But when someone is BMI 26 and wants to get to 24 or 23, people get very angry.

I have a dear friend who has suffered with food noise and hated her weight since she was a child. She has always yo-yo dieted and is often overweight despite her best efforts to get into the healthy weight range. She has had eating disorders in the past (binge eating and a history of bulimia, not anorexia) because she can't stop binging and thinking about food.

She confided in me that she's lied about her weight to get mounjaro. She said she feels amazing that for the first time in her life she is losing weight slowly, carefully and while eating healthily. And ... she is not binging or being plagued by food noise. She has a goal of BMI 22 which sounds low but is actually quite healthy and definitely not underweight, and I know she'll be very happy when she gets there.

Weight loss meds are such a debated topic but I do think for some people who are not obese, I understand why they use them and it's a shame people judge so much. We all have our own relationship with food and I feel that mounjaro has really helped my friend and I don't judge her decision.

If it's safe for someone of BMI 25 to take mounjaro if they were previously obese, then I can't see why it wouldn't be safe for someone of BMI 25 without a history of obesity, to take it?

Ps. Though I am absolutely NOT advising that people should take it if they are not eligible. And people should.always speak with their doctor.

It's just that I think if someone is desperate enough to consider lying to get it, then maybe the last thing they need is being judged and told their thin enough already (when maybe we don't know their history and relationship with food).

I do think in the future this may be prescribed for bulimia and to people who are not over 27bmi but who have a lot of food noise that makes life intolerable.

I think the slightly terse responses are related to the thought of people being encouraged to lie in order to acquire prescription medication that they don't meet the prescribing criteria for. It's illegal for starters. It's not a binary safe/not safe situation, although there's no research on what might happen when people who are not obese/significantly overweight take the medication. It's about risk versus no clinical health benefits for someone who isn't significantly overweight.

I also think there's an obvious difference between someone who was obese who has been safely taking the medication for many months and can tolerate the medication well continuing to take it when at a healthy BMI, compared to someone slightly overweight or a healthy weight starting to take it.

I don't know. I'd really like to see some research. I'd imagine that someone fit and healthy with no previous obesity or diabetes, who is a little overweight and started on 2.5mg wouldn't be at any increased risk to someone who has a history of obesity (and possibly related health complications) and is now taking it for maintenance.

I guess only time and research will tell...

If someone is desperate enough to lie and to try something with unknown consequences then it's likely they need support not judgement.

I think it's reasonable to state that it's illegal and risky. I'm not going to agree it's ok, and to consider it a reasonable choice of action. Someone who is prepared to illegal acquire prescription medication for a condition they don't have needs some psychological help, not judgement, I agree.

There's no way that a medication to reduce the weight of a person already at a healthy weight is going to be approved by the MHRA in the UK. The drug manufacturers aren't going to bother to research it. They are concentrating on looking at the applications of these medications for other health conditions as well as diabetes and obesity as that's where their future profits will be.

I did lie, I lost the weight . Shoot me 😂 with medication it’s a risk either way , bmi of 25 or 31

Maybe the mods should add a FAQ or automated message to signpost people appropriately. I feel like this question gets asked all the time and riles people up each time, when a link to the criteria and locking the thread would suffice:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mhra-authorises-diabetes-drug-mounjaro-tirzepatide-for-weight-management-and-weight-loss

Mounjaro is now authorised for adult patients with a BMI of 30kg/m² or more (obesity), as well as those with a BMI between 27-30kg/m² (overweight) who also have weight-related health problems such as prediabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, or heart problems.