Do any providers under 25 bmi?

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Say you are BMI 24.9 or 25.5 etc and hold weight around the middle, are there providers who ignore the over 27 BMI rule? Or do you just have to lie?

Why can't she get liposuction?

I would be very surprised if you get as far as dispatch on that.

Oh well she should definitely crack on with lying to get prescription meds then 🙄

Because I’d give anything to have that “food noise” disappear? And to lose this last stone to take me to a healthy weight?

to stop the lifelong battle I have with food. Thinking about food, trying not to eat food, depriving myself. To get out of this yo-yo where I lose and regain the same half stone over and over.

if a dr offered me wld I’d absolutely try it. The risks would be worth it just to get some peace.

Idk maybe cost or thinks this is easier.

@coldcallerbaiter Reducing calories and exercising would be easier. Higher risk of pancreatitis (because she's not diabetic so her pancreas doesn't need help to produce more insulin) is just stupid.

I think I was referring to the way people on Mumsnet plough in with harsh words when people who are not obese mention thinking of trying mounjaro. It may be kinder to hear their perspective and offer advice, rather than judge and criticise them as liera and cheats (not saying you did that, but people have and I doubt it helps)

@BobbingAlongAgain Don't lie about a history of eating disorders which make you more at risk from certain side effects to obtain a drug for diabetics. That's my advice.

There was a TV documentary hosted by the woman who presents Naked Attraction where she was able to get weight loss injections from a private doctor in London without him mentioning her BMI. The celebrities must be doing it 🤷‍♀️

I've got the pen in my drawer, took the first dose 2 days ago.

@BobbingAlongAgain what is "food noise" that you mention twice? Is it a typo?

OK so hip-to-waist ratio is a good predictor of all cause mortality, better than BMI or other measures like fat mass. So I understand what the OP is saying. We are very bad at factoring it in. I have the opposite; a great hip-to-waist ratio even when overweight. Healthier and more attractive typically. Fun fact, the HTW ratio of Miss Worlds has been broadly consistent, while the BMI has gone down significantly. Even virus resistance is liked to a better HTW ratio.

They vary by ethnicity as well so have a google. Things to consider are types of food (bloating and inflammation), exercise (walking etc.) and genetics (some families are just apples). If it isn't genetic, do see the GP because it can be a sign of other, serious conditions.

It's what a lot people experience when they are compulsive or just big eaters. Like white noise/ background noise telling you to go to the kitchen or check the fridge.

Just a constant noise in your head telling you that you need to eat to be happy/satisfied.

MJ killed that voice for me and many others. Blissful silence.

Why would it be ‘dangerous’ to give to someone who’s still overweight, just slightly less overweight than many others? Surely the dose is worked out accordingly?

Is this thread the embodiment of the strange phenomenon whereby overweight and not-so-overweight people react furiously to other overweight people for using WLIs?

No, that’s not (currently) how the dosage is worked out. Everyone starts on 2.5mg, everyone can gradually work up to 15mg. Dosage isn’t worked out by starting weight.

Because it's not been tested and risk assessed on overweight people yet @Twaddlepip, it's been tested for obesity, on obese people. Obesity is now recognised as a disease and being overweight isn't, the impact on current and future health is different between the two too.

I don't understand it either.

You can start at a BMI 28 (if you have a secondary issue) and in just 1 pen could be 'under the original prescribing cut off' of 27, but continue to get pens until you're way under 25BMI and stay on them for life as maintenance.

But if you start at 27.5bmi you're awful and are probably going to die? 🤣

That’s not right, it’s 27, which is obese for some ethnicities, and when it’s not, then it’s for people who are 27 with weight related health issues, ie high blood pressure etc which is due to weight.

i do not understand all this “I don’t understand it” then posting nonsense, if you all took a few mins to read up, you’d understand it just fine.

tne issue is you dint want to, it isn’t you don’t understand it, it is you don’t like it,

Person A: I cannot stand this constant food noise anymore, the constant yo yo dieting, the binging, the never ever getting to the weight I want and putting weight back on as soon as I've lost it. I can't stand the fat around my belly that I know puts me at greater risk.of many health conditions. I'd do anything for a day with no more thoughts and battles of food in my head, to get rid of this belly fat. I want to try mounjaro so I lied to get it and said I was a stone heavier than I am. Now I have peace in my head for the first time ever. I finally no longer need to binge. I see hope ahead and I can sleep without constant food noise.

Person B: my advice is don't lie and don't get mounjaro just keep doing what you've been doing and try to eat healthy and exercise.

Person A: that's not very helpful advice as that's what I've been doing for 40 years and it's not working. Mounjaro works.

I don't think 'dont lie' is particularly helpful advice.

Mounjaro is a holy grail and it's no surprise that more than a select few will want it.

Exactly

You can start at BMI of 27 if you have a weight related health condition or you are one of list of specific ethnicities.

No one should be prescribed it for weight loss with a BMI of less than 27 and without either of those two qualifying situations.

I find it puzzling how many people don't seem to understand the difference between someone who is obese and someone who is not. How the risks of starting to use Mounjaro is an acceptable balance for someone who is obese, but not an acceptable risk for someone who isn't obese. That seems pretty clear cut to me. I appreciate that some people desperately want to be able to take these injections for their own personal reasons. But the prescribing criteria are clear.

People posting on here to brag about duping providers in order to acquire prescription medication are weird. That's a judgement that I am very happy to make.

I'm saying it makes no sense that 1 point in BMI is the difference between acceptable and dangerous to some people on these forums.
My BMI is mid 22 and I'm still being prescribed by one of the more expensive and thorough prescribers

I'll continue to take it until I'm ready to go it alone and it's safe to do so.

You have to lie.
A lot of people do it apparently.
Or find a friend of a friend!

But if that's the case why are people not cut off when they hit a BMI of 25?

And I've never duped anyone. Always been 100% honest

But that’s as you risk regaining if you stop and that is even worse for your health

it is concerning that so many people don’t understand even the basics of the drugs, never mind those on it not understanding why they are allowed to stay on.

I mean it takes mins to either ask the question or google.