Jabs and the impact on society

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DP and a few friends are all MJ converts, the confidence and renewed self confidence is very real.

It’s got me wondering whether we’re going to see a cultural shift from the era of ‘body positivity’ as more people take up the injections and realise the real benefits of a healthier BMI long term. Will we see a return of the stigma attached to obesity that had started to diminish during the last decade with a broader acceptance of being overweight and an industry that supported it from plus size retailers and of course the food industry.

As more people start using the jabs the number of obese people in society will significantly drop leaving behind those who either can’t take the jabs for financial or medical reasons, won’t take them or simply wish to be as they are -as the ‘fat people’ whereas before so many ‘over eaters’ who are now on MJ would also be in the crowd with them.

Is the body confidence attitude going to switch particularly for women? Stocking plus sizes in the numbers we see now will slowly start to be loss making. Walking around my local shopping centre there are plenty of bigger girls wearing cropped tops, tight fitted clothing all with amazing make up- it’s ‘a look’ and you can see they’re not ashamed because they’re not an anomaly- yet.

Weight watchers has a glp 1 program, and is rebranding a glp 1 med to sell under the weight watchers brand, which is smart of them.

slimming world, tne known failure and bonkers diet. Is actually poo pooing it. And preaching people need to learn to retrain their eating habits instead, whilst using bloody syns and urging folks to fill up on as many potatoes as they wish.

you couldn’t make it up.

but yes, I reckon slimming world will be gone.

The UK WW organisation doesn't seem to have anything about medication as yet, and the US site has lots of programmes that include the existing medications. Those are either with insurance or paying for it directly, but it's not a re-branded version of anything. I doubt that Lilly or Novo Nordisk are going to allow their patented medication to be sold under the WW brand with a different name.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/weight-loss-drugs-draw-americans-back-doctor-2024-12-16/

I’m sorry but did you even look? Images as I know folks don’t like links.

I said that the US site is offering various medication programmes, but not a rebranded product from Lilly or Novo Nordisk. Compounded GLP-1 medications that are available in the US aren't semaglutide or tirzepatide manufactured by the companies that hold the patents, they are made by other companies to a different formulation. That's what WW are offering alongside the patented medication from Lilly/Novo Nordisk.

Those images refer to their programmes, which include the purchase of various branded and compounded GLP-1 medications.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but what they are referring to in that blue screenshot is their weight loss programme, not a rebranded version of Mounjaro or Wegovy. Lilly and Novo Nordisk have not agreed to that and won't whilst they hold the patents.

I’m sorry, but I have no idea what you’re taking issue with.

at no point did I say weight watchers uk. And I specifically said glp 1, not the type. And yes, it is hugely likely they will launch it in the uk too.

Compounded GLP-1s are not approved for prescription in the UK, so the UK WW organisation may start to offer weight loss management programmes that include a prescription for Mounjaro or Tirzepatide but they won't be able to offer the compounded semaglutide in the way that the US does. And they couldn't brand them as a WW product because Lilly and Novo Nordisk hold the patents and aren't going to agree to that.

WW would have to set up as an online pharmacy and be registered to prescribe as per the existing companies that do this. It may well be in their future business plan to become an online pharmacy in this way. It seems to me to be a big move away from the current model of coaching and in-person meetings, but they may have to move in that direction to survive I suppose. And I don't think there would be enough people who would want that level of interaction alongside being prescribed an effective weight loss medication.

I’m not sure, look at the amount of folks who pay extra for a chat every month, like with oushk, and some folks like the class thing, the public weighing, talking about food, I can see it working

it’s not my bag, at all, I went tk slimming world about two decades ago, felt it was the most cringe thing I’ve ever sat through, as they talked to us like idiots about food then we all queued up to get weighed, I never went back, but I’ve a friend who loves it.

Surely it will remain Pilates-toned and rail thin? From my understanding the jabs do not tone and elongate the muscles. Only years of daily Pilates (or similar exercise) will do that.

Discipline will always be "in".

I’ve bought 5 pens, am now on 10mg ones which I’ve bought two of from IQ Doctor for £130. My 2.5mg, 5mg and 7.5mg were all that price or cheaper, from Oushk.

My hope is that better treatments for achieving weightloss will see benefits down the generations.

If the adults in the home aren't interested in empty calorie food they will buy less of it which means less available for children. Empty calorie eating will become less of a norm in households.

It's the 'not interested' which is important. Not denying oneself. Empty calories not being desirable.

Another change in society may be more women, especially older women becoming confident enough to be visible. The body positive women are mainly younger and a minority.

I'm morbidly obese. I hide in the shadows. I'm always the taker of family photos, almost never in them. I don't exist in society, seldom go out. And I don't think I am unusual amongst obese middle aged women.

Being fat and the social disapproval which comes with it is far more silencing for women than it is for men.

If I was in charge of WW UK I'd be sprinting to set up a deal with an online pharmacy to provide a WW branded subscription service. The pharmacy deals with the actual prescribing and WW does the coaching and long term support. They could also expand their ready meal range to include high protein options and target them at people using WLI.

@Bibulous WW need to employ you

I would agree with that strategy.

The introduction of safe WLI is going to be a seismic change in the weightloss industry.

To my mind it is similar to the impact of research into gastric ulcers which showed that antibiotics were the way forward. Up until then there had been a huge market for various antacids, indigestion medicines etc. Those markets still exist but are now far smaller.

The difference is that antibiotics cure gastric ulcers. With the best will in the world, most people who lose weight are going to put it back on again regardless of whether they do conventional dieting or with medication. Yo-yo dieting has been great for repeat business for WW/SW and that might not change much if they're smart about it. But I think they'd need to embrace medication rather than try to compete head-on, as well as offering an alternative for people who don't want or can't tolerate medication.

Maybe spend some time reading up on the drugs? It’s evidenced that people on average put on an average of 15 percent of their body weight when they stop, so that’s one and a half stone for a ten stone woman. Considering you need to be obese to start with that’s a huge difference. Compare this to 100- 120 percent of what was lost through dieting without the drugs. So if you lost 4 stone, you’d gain it all back and then some.

in addition, you can stay on mounjaro for life. Thus keeping it fully off.