Jabs and the impact on society

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DP and a few friends are all MJ converts, the confidence and renewed self confidence is very real.

It’s got me wondering whether we’re going to see a cultural shift from the era of ‘body positivity’ as more people take up the injections and realise the real benefits of a healthier BMI long term. Will we see a return of the stigma attached to obesity that had started to diminish during the last decade with a broader acceptance of being overweight and an industry that supported it from plus size retailers and of course the food industry.

As more people start using the jabs the number of obese people in society will significantly drop leaving behind those who either can’t take the jabs for financial or medical reasons, won’t take them or simply wish to be as they are -as the ‘fat people’ whereas before so many ‘over eaters’ who are now on MJ would also be in the crowd with them.

Is the body confidence attitude going to switch particularly for women? Stocking plus sizes in the numbers we see now will slowly start to be loss making. Walking around my local shopping centre there are plenty of bigger girls wearing cropped tops, tight fitted clothing all with amazing make up- it’s ‘a look’ and you can see they’re not ashamed because they’re not an anomaly- yet.

Michael Mosley was also a quack.

How so @JurassicPark4Eva

I agree with everyone about the obesogenic environment and feel pretty sad that the food industry has made a marketplace for weightloss drugs.

I think the difference I see with weight loss drugs over say Prozac or even anti-depressants is that they are being touted (although the evidence is not in) as multi use drugs with a lot of other purposes, so we know they reduce weight and control diabetes, but they may or may not positively treat mental health issues, ADHD, addictions and other disorders (e.g. binge-eating disorder). That's a much larger scope than Prozac, and as someone else said, the makers of these drugs must be ecstatically happy about how this is rolling out- the government is desperate to get their hands on these drugs to get people thinner, fewer obesity related conditions and back to work.

That's a much larger scope than Prozac, and as someone else said, the makers of these drugs must be ecstatically happy about how this is rolling out- the government is desperate to get their hands on these drugs to get people thinner, fewer obesity related conditions and back to work.

you write that like it’s a negative. It isn’t. And the goverment has their hands on them, every government does, the issue is the nhs is not equipped to deal with millions on them.

it’s the us, the people, the population desperate to get our hands on them. Even when not eligible.

the results are in for cardio vascular and kidney disease, my doc told me the results were just coming in about a month ago. It is highly likely these will shortly be approved for those diseases too.

thsts a positive, right, any new medical developments which help our health is a positive, it isn’t easy to get such a thing over the line now. As testing is so lengthy, onerous, and holistic.

Unfortunately due to cost it's simply the haves and have nots though plenty of us are overweight and not willing to put drugs into our bodies despite being able to afford it

It makes sense long term though. If they invested in it now for this eof us morbidly obese it would save NHS fees down the road. And more of us working more etc.

I would say there are more obese people that want to lose weight using Mounjaro than not. Just the fact that it can literally save or lengthen your life if you also have weight related illnesses will be enough.

I don’t think it is the have and have nots , the cost if you stay on 5mg and use the bonus dose is 20 odd quid a week, and that’s offset as plenty eat and drink more than 20 odd quid a week less when on it. It pays for itself.

i get some people are in poverty and can’t afford it, but im not sure id class thay as the have v have nots, which is normally used for thr wealthy v everyone else. Not the people in poverty v your average joe. Plenty of people eat and drink 20 quids worth of extra food a week, thats why they are obese.

Not willing to take drugs, is a stance which is a personal choice. Most people take drugs when it saves their lives, and this does.

i hope , genuinely your successful on your weight loss journey, plenty of us can’t manage it, and need these drugs, the acceptance is huge. And the failure of diets and the regain rate well known. But if it works for you, then seriously more power to you.

I think you might find there are some countries where it hasn't actually been approved for weight loss.

Um yeah, ok, we all know that, I wasn’t being literal. I thought it was clear I meant all the global health authories who have approved it.

Very little of what you suggest will come to pass.

The NHS can't afford the £3bn a year it would cost to put even the most needy on it, so local trusts will find creative clinical reasons to not prescribe it.

Most other people can't afford it so any wider effects will be limited to the privileged few.

And there's not much credible evidence that wider availability would 'pay for itself'. The very obese just end up eating a smaller amount of the same poor quality diet with all the adverse health outcomes that entails.

It's useful for 'the few' but overhyped for 'the many'.

Bold statements @CranfordScones - given that in the US where medication is hard to come by via insurance, unless you pay over $1000 monthly - it's already estimated that 15 million (6% adult population) are using GLP-1 medication and this is forecast to increase to 30 million by 2030.

In the UK it's already a fraction of that price and when you factor in cost savings due to decreased food consumption probably costs around £20 per week.

You're also mistaken in stating that people are eating smaller amounts of the same bad food whilst on GLP-1s. It's been found in studies that instead, taking these medications decreases desire for high calorie low quality foods, and leads to patients naturally choosing higher quality foods.

That doesn’t really make any form of logical sense.

the nhs is already committed to a roll out, yes they’ve said twelve years, but that is due to logistics, not drug cost, the drugs are very low cost in relation to the other costs associated with obesity,

secondly what’s your evidence that most people can’t afford it, considering we are talking about 20 odd quid a week if you stay on 5mg and take the bonus dose, which people eat 20 quid less, thus negating the cost.

and I am aghast at the ignorance behind the comment about the obese just eating less of the same crap.

your bitterness and resentment is showing.

I thought it was starting at 139 a month and went up higher cost per dose. I was certainly thinking it would be.

That's a lot to us.

I don't eat takeaways (haven't got the money...) and personally don't think I will save over a hundred a month in food. I feed 2 autistic kids that eat specific foods. I end up eating too much but it's probably only a few pounds of carbs a month, or a larger portion of what we're all having. Id still have to make dinners etc for the rest of the family.

But that's an aside! I think it will be haves and have nits personally. We're educated but below average income. Many people are on lower income/benefits etc who may be struggling similarly.

Once my adhd is sorted out though we will prioritise it as I think my health needs it but it isn't going to be easily regained and it will affect our family income.

You can get for as low as 119 now, and 5mg tends to be the same price as the starting dose. Plenty just stay on 5, and you can get a fifth week out of it, which equates to basically 20 quid a week.

Med express which is cheaper than most starts 5mg at 149 and is 169 for the next dose which most people seem to need.

So for most it's budgeting 169 a month for using it properly which isn't nothing. Asda/super drug are more.

Yes there's offers but that's just the first week. I don't think it's fair to say it's a negligible price. And realistically for people morbidly obese like me they will need it for over a year (I'm expecting 2) so that's over 2k and probably over 3k.

We do need to be real about the cost to most people here. I'm going for it next year and it's huge for us.

You can get it cheaper than MedExpress from lots of pharmacies.
Just over £100 for a 2.5 pen with some.
List of best prices here https://monj.co.uk/discount-mounjaro-price-list/

I’m really not sure why you’re arguing, med express isn’t the cheapest, by a long way,

Unfortunately due to cost it's simply the haves and have nots though plenty of us are overweight and not willing to put drugs into our bodies despite being able to afford it

I suppose to an extent it’s like that with everything, some people just don’t have spare money - but IMO most people can probably afford it for at least one adult in their family if they make some sacrifices.

I used to have at least two takeaways a week costing a minimum of £30 for both. When I switched to an online personal trainer /diet planner I stopped the takeaways to fund it and it worked out around the same.

I actually don’t think the PT was that helpful or effective or good value and I stopped after 3 months, but it did get me out of the habit of buying takeaways so it was a win for me 😆

The NHS can’t afford £3 billion for WLIs? It’s less than the £19 billion that obesity is costing the NHS now.

Make use of referral credits

I've bought 2 pens so far, first was £110 with ME using someone's referral credit. The second pen cost £15 as I had black Friday price match credit of £70 from the first pen, £25 price match for the second pen and someone used my referral code so I got £40 credit. My daughter is talking to people at work and one of her friends will be using my referral code. Talk to people, put a sign on your work noticeboard or whatever, you can have up to 100 referral credits which is a lot!

Does anyone else follow any plus size fashion people and are waiting to see if they suddenly start losing weight?

I'm so intrigued to see how plus size influencers will navigate this!

I think obesity levels will drop sharply as these new medications become more widely accepted

I wonder if it will change pass times and the high street. Less going out eating and drinking, so less pubs, restaurants, take away shops, cafes etc

Also whether it will change what we see in supermarkets - less junk food, as the demand will be gone.

This isn't because only "fat" people buy these things, but because MJ decreases interest in food and alcohol and you might have a hell of a lot of people on maintenance doses (e.g. if the 66% of adults in the UK are overweight, and they all go on MJ, that's 66% of adults not interested in food for pleasure).

First impact will be WW and SW groups closing. Which, IMO is no bad thing because they always had a cult like feel to them.

The next will be some takeaways shutting down. Some will stay but not so many. Costa/Starbucks will also take a hit. American style sweet shops, pudding/cake shops are also going to lose turnover.

Basically anywhere marketing diet plans or empty calories.

I'm t2 diabetic, morbidly obese and just started MJ, prescribed by my GP. I will likely be on it for life. Not worried at all. It is a tiny injection once per week. I already take a number of other drugs for life (I have an excitable immune system) so this is just one more.

I've noticed a few non plus sized that have suddenly lost weight but havent mentioned it!