Jabs and the impact on society

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DP and a few friends are all MJ converts, the confidence and renewed self confidence is very real.

It’s got me wondering whether we’re going to see a cultural shift from the era of ‘body positivity’ as more people take up the injections and realise the real benefits of a healthier BMI long term. Will we see a return of the stigma attached to obesity that had started to diminish during the last decade with a broader acceptance of being overweight and an industry that supported it from plus size retailers and of course the food industry.

As more people start using the jabs the number of obese people in society will significantly drop leaving behind those who either can’t take the jabs for financial or medical reasons, won’t take them or simply wish to be as they are -as the ‘fat people’ whereas before so many ‘over eaters’ who are now on MJ would also be in the crowd with them.

Is the body confidence attitude going to switch particularly for women? Stocking plus sizes in the numbers we see now will slowly start to be loss making. Walking around my local shopping centre there are plenty of bigger girls wearing cropped tops, tight fitted clothing all with amazing make up- it’s ‘a look’ and you can see they’re not ashamed because they’re not an anomaly- yet.

Big food will certainly be out to discredit and make people fearful of using them for sure, it will be interesting to see how the msm spins news about them too because food companies are often their biggest ad revenues.

Big pharma also especially those who profit from obesity related medical issues (makers of MJ etc excluded)

This is exactly what will happen.

I'm cynical enough to imagine the big food companies owning the companies producing the drugs. Create the problem then sell us the solution. Instead of actually tackling the root cause of all the upf and chemicals in a standard western diet.

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Wegovy/Ozempic is made by Novo Nordisk and Mounjaro is made by Eli Lilly. They hold the patents and will do for a fair while yet. Neither are owned by any of the big food companies, and aren't likely to be in the future. So if that were to happen it would have to be a fair while in the future when generic versions of these medications can be manufactured by companies other than those two.

I've become very overweight in the last 5 years, and I think the acceptance of obesity as normal and even healthy is very dangerous. I've never had any issues being fat, always been able to buy clothes (I'm 18, but prefer 20) and when on holiday a few years ago I couldn't find one pair of trousers in my size it was a real wake up that I'm not 'normal'.
I've tried the injections, I can't afford to stay on them longer than a few months and I'd be worried about the long term side effects anyway. I'm concerned that healthy weight women are using them as a sort of eating disorder tool, I know of quite a few slim women who say they are part of their beauty regimen now, it makes not eating so much easier.

The main change to British society I think will be that people no longer expect the NHS to provide life style drugs as so many are seeing how possible it is to buy these drugs privately. Whole swathes of people including my own family have seemingly believed that if it wasn't available on the NHS it either didn't exist or didn't work. So these drugs are showing people that for good or bad, useful medications exist that the NHS don't provide.
This will have the dual effect of
1 People expecting to have to pay a least part of their own way for health care and 2 people resenting those who qualify for medications on the NHS when they have had to pay for the treatments themselves.

I found it quite easy to afford it actually because once I realised how much I was spending on alcohol, snacks, the odd takeaway, large portions etc I've realised it's cheaper for me to be on it than not.

I'm not saying this in any kind of way to suggest I've got money to spare. I really don't but the difference in expenditure is absolutely massive.

Glp1s have been jn use for diabetes for 20 years. That's pretty long term.

I'm really interested to see what impact the jabs have on the next generation.

I know that the weight loss "from the injections" actually comes from eating less/more healthily and exercising more, so presumably more DC will grow up in households that model healthy eating and exercise patterns (I'm presuming parents aren't injecting in front of their kids, so all the DC see is the change in diet and movement).

Will this mean that future generations won't need the jabs because their relationship to food and exercise will be different from childhood?

Anyone with a starting bmi of less than 27 with medical issues,mistaking the drugs illegally. They're asking for trouble and giving glp1s a bad name. :(

I think this is wishful thinking. I followed a few youtubers who had bariatric surgery. They were all overweight families, the dc were overweight too. Previously they ate a lot of takeaways, a frightening amount of fizzy drinks and UPFs. Initially post surgery the women all lost a lot of weight, they ate tiny amounts and no sugar because of dumping syndrome or whatever it's called. In that time they all made changes and were healthier as a result. Over time (approx 2-3 years) they have all put on a lot of weight, not back to their old weight but they would certainly fall into the morbidly obese category. They all eat rubbish again too, loads of fizzy drinks, cakes, crisps, very high carb dinners. One of them bought a fridge for the top of the stairs so the teen dc didn't have to go down to the kitchen for their fizzy drinks. They had a bad relationship with the wrong types of food and the surgery didn't change that long term. I'd hazard a guess the dc will end up needing surgery in the future.

I was obese before and did mounjaro for 6 months and lost 4 stones. Hopefully obesity is gone forever. Body positivity is bullshit. Healthy at anysize its bullshit. Have you ever saw obese elderly?, the answer is NEVER!. Why? Because obese people are die before they reached 50. Obesity simply not healthy. As a ex-obese myself i’m really disgusted how society now doing this campaign about body positivity. Its simply wrong. Body positivity is to love yourself, to respect your body by maintaining healthy weight. I really hope mounjaro or any other injection can be more affordable to people.

Will the jabs prevent children being obese though?

As a cancer scientist in the NHS, I am hopeful it will reduce the pressures on staff with workload and better outcomes for the patients as obesity is linked to health conditions, cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc. Personally I've managed to get my jabs for less than £150 a month so that's 35 a week, I buy takeaways and go for restaurant meals maybe once every 2 weeks, I don't drink or smoke and my food shopping has halved literally to 35 for 2 weeks rather than 70 for 2 weeks. So cost is not that expensive when you think about it. Affordability can be down to outgoings, and obviously income and dependents etc but I do think it's very affordable if you cut out unnecessary spending.

What happens when people come off these jabs? You can only be on them for 18 months or something, so will the people who've lost weight be able to maintain it? It's all very well going on the jab and losing lots of weight, but if you don't address the issues that made you gain weight in the first place what happens when you're no longer on that medication?

@cheezncrackers what happens when people stop doing SW, WW or IF?

Maintenance is an issue for all weight loss approaches. Injections are no different to any other method in that regard, so I wonder why people get so focussed on this issue with respect to the injections only.

You can take Mounjaro for as long as you like.
Many will be on a low dose for life, just like a multitudes of other medicines that are required long term.

Yep, I'm hoping there will be a pill for this once I've hit a more respectable weight
I've got a good 5 stone to go, with 2 off so far.

I read about the plan to shift towards tablets for life long care and think this will be an excellent idea.

I have very disordered eating habits, and have previously asked of for help from an eating disorders clinic but was told that because I was overweight not underweight that I didn't have a disorder... Being able to function as I am now (without staring in the fridge ten times a day and gorging on anything and everything when happy, sad, angry, bored, mooching etc) is life changing.

I suspect the 12 year NHS roll out plan is partly to see how many are prepared to pay for it. It would be prohibitively expensive for the NHS to dish out WLI to everyone who is obese or morbidly obese. So there is a type of experiment, I guess, in who can lose and who can keep it off and who needs to stay on it for life. Plus there is the alleged 15% for whom things like MJ doesn’t work.

In 12 years maintenance tablets will be a thing and maybe as cheap as statins by then.

I don't think this is comparable at all. Diets work because you have the willpower to resist certain foods and control intake. The injections are a medicine that affect what amount/type of food you want to eat. There are people on Mounjaro who are struggling to eat 600 calories per day, that could have easily eaten 3000 calories previously. The injections remove the need for willpower, which is the really hard bit for most obese people. The day after I finished my last dose my appetite, cravings and food noise were back with a vengeance.

@flowersintheatticus so what you're saying is that it is likely inevitable that you will put all the weight back on that you lost? Because you don't have the willpower not to and taking the injections didn't change that? Whereas following a plan like WW does give you the willpower.

Except, people who diet using plans like WW etc don't maintain their weight loss either. So what's happening there with their willpower ?

I’m sorry I also think you’re wrong.

firstly if you’re on the right dose of mounjaro you don’t struggle to eat 600 calories, anyone who is, is using the drug recklessly and on too high a dose and should come down.
of course will power is required, the drug doesn’t force you to eat vegetables. You can easily eat the wrong stuff.
thirdly when on a diet most people feel deprived. Hence why 85 percent of diets ultimately fail and the dieter puts all the weight back on and often more.
on mounjaro you don’t feel deprived. So you can more easily retrain your eating habits, instead of miserably denying yourself and waiting for the moment you can eat the shit again.
and lastly through extensive testing, over many many years, inc trials it’s been evidenced the average regain is 14 percent of what was lost.

where as on a normal diet, the average regain is 100 percent plus.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Willpower is a massive issue, if you don't have it weight loss is impossible in the first place. Some people can do it short term, but can't maintain it. That is why a lot of people who lose large amounts of weight dieting put it back on again. Many people on the injections think they are doing it themselves, and don't realize that when they stop the appetite/cravings will return. I don't have any data to back this up, but from my personal circles it seems to be largely the case that weight gain is fairly inevitable once the injections stop.

Thanks for that, can you link to the findings please?