OK I'm convinced, weight-loss drugs are Incredible and will change the world

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DH has been on them for a couple of months and they've changed our lives for the better. He's an over eater/ mild binger and generally quite obsessed with food. Never managed to keep weight off.

Now he's happy, calm, doesn't think about food, eats like a 'normal person' and it's freed up so much space and joy in our lives.

Apparently in the future it'll be a pill you can either take that day or not, e.g. Most days but not Christmas day. Incredible!

Yes I know people get side effects and they don't work for everyone, etc. But I'm very impressed.
Apparently they also help alcoholics and other addicts as they work on the reward centre's of the brain. Amazing.

There's shedloads of information. If people choose to ignore it that's on them.

ph my, it is not available to people who don’t need it. No more than ketamine is available to those who don’t need it. Or a multitude of other drugs people abuse. Painkillers being a key one. Do you want to take everything off the market. Make it harder for everyone,

and no one said they don’t care about anyone else. They said they don’t care about the idiots lying and cheating to get the drugs illegally.

it is you who doesn’t care. It is you who wants to make it harder for people who need it to get it. Not us.

I know that, Sorry I was quoting the comment

“this is why there is no way I would be trying it until there is more evidence of the long term effects”

and then in a later post said

“If you’re referring to me you are incorrect as I am on it”

Sorry, I was being flip. Of course it's sad when youngsters end up in hospital or die of drug overdoses. But it's not the drugs fault (the miss used prescription ones), it's their fault. I knew what illegal drugs were at 18, I made choices at 18. If I'd have ended up in hospital.....my fault for heing so stupid

You cant get any of those with a few lies from a pharmacist so I have no idea what you mean.
Illegal ??? No one is getting it illegally? Fgs the idiots are mostly young girls that no one gives a shit about

FWIW I have no issues with prescribers tightening up the approval process as I don’t lie to obtain it, so I’m not worried about not being approved.

Hopefully it will stop all the whataboutary too.

Are you taking it or not @AccountDeleted ? You have said two different things.

"A few lies" is an interesting way of describing a concerted attempt to defraud and obtain prescription medication illegally. It's more than a few lies. And the issues with online private prescription extends to all the medication that's available online - have you ever checked out what kinds of things you can get prescribed? All kinds of medication, yet it's the weight loss injections that grab the headlines at the moment, because they are a current popular topic.

Of course people care about young women (and young men) who might be tempted into trying to obtain the actual medication illegally, or tempted into buying vials of unknown substances from a dodgy unregulated website or a "beautician". I would be absolutely behind additional checks and safeguarding to weed out more of these fraudulent attempts, but that doesn't mean that there is an inherent safety issue with the injections. Many thousands of people are being prescribed them correctly and using them safely, and the number of adverse outcomes in those cases are tiny.

I take Ozempic for type 2 diabetes, I’m monitored closely as I have multiple health conditions. All I am trying and failing to say is just that. If the prescription was given by a private GP that would stop the “idiots” as these young people have kindly been labelled from going online and getting hold of it.

I really am surprised to see that no shits are given regarding young people with questionably decision making. It would make 0 difference to the people who are using it responsibly.

Unless you're the treating clinician you don't know what the cause of these apparent seizures may be. 'Seen them at the hospital I work I at' isnt even anecdotal evidence! It's assumption. If there is evidence of WLIs causing seizures where are the journal articles? You've cited lottie moss several times. The only evidence that the WLIs caused her illness is her own account. Obviously she shouldn't have been taking them as she was already slim but do you have any idea what other drugs, prescribed or illegal, she may have been taking? One tabloid story is not evidence of anything.

But the UK is full of non medical prescribers - that shop sailed 20 years ago

The government is very much reducing doctor-delivered care generally

GPs are not funded to do this work

People must declare their medical history to the prescribing pharmacist ( or doctor for some suppliers eg ASDA)

Those who lie to the prescribing pharmacist or doctor? That's on them. Not our problem.

It's fascinating how uncomfortable people are to hear the negative stories.

My son took a drug that was a wonder drug for him but I knew it had a risk of devastating side effects in some. I made a point of learning about them and warning people about them too. Doesn't mean a drug isn't great in many ways, its just unhealthy not to allow discussion about the risks. If we know the risks we can act quickly and get help at an early stage

Using a private GP, presumably you mean an in-real-life appointment, or a video consult, would not have stopped Lottie Moss from acquiring the injection in the way that she did. As I said before, I support the online pharmacies tightening up their processes, they've already been instructed to do so.

@AccountDeleted we cannot moderate or police other people. That’s up to the people who moderate the MJ sellers.

I think to spend so much time wanging on about a few people who use the med by lying is doing a massive disservice to those of us who are making a real effort to make the med work, to change habits and who are putting in a lot of hard work.

Write to your MP if you are so concerned. I’m too busy working out my constipation, protein intake, food diaries, exercise and all that stuff atm.
@Itissunnysomewhere I care about other people and the world in general but I also realise there’s fuck all I can do about people who don’t care about themselves. It is not ‘uncomfortable’, just unrealistic of you.

That poster is a complete bullshitter, it's hilarious! So many holes in all their posts, changing from one stance to the other, moving goalposts when one stance is as shaky as leaves in the wind once challenged. When I read this last one saying they're on it, I howled.

Their posts are riddled with one or 2 common truths and lots and lots of unsubstantiated, madeup, incorrect, ignorant, lies bullshit that I keep wanting to respond but not sure which ridiculous point and so called-answers to begin with. They really should just come right out and ask questions instead because they clearly have no clue about anything they're talking about here, including "healthcare" whatsoever. The poster alone has filled up the bingo card too and added some more!

It's entertainment at this point.

@AccountDeleted are you on Mounjaro or not? Why would you post these two contradictory statements on the same thread? Are you just here to goad?

Erm are you very slow on the uptake? The drug IS for people who would benefit from it

Those who lie to obtain this or any other medication have only themselves to blame?

Are you equally concerned that opioid abuse is rife and think those in serious pain should not have it because others choose to obtain it through deception or illicitly?

Should propofol be banned because Michael Jackson abused it nightly and then died?!

Or are you only 'concerned' that obesity can be treated, eradicated, and you think it's unfair somehow! Won't someone think of the children!!!!

How would it being "GP prescribed only" have stopped Lottie Moss getting ill? She didn't get it through legitimate means, nor did she take it correctly.

People who shouldn't be taking it will still get it from other sources. All it will do is make it harder for legitimate people to get it because of waiting lists and private GP fees in addition to the already high cost for the medication. It won't be available on the NHS for over a decade.

1- there is no actual evidence that these 'negative stories' are genuine. One goady poster claiming to have seen things happen in her work isn't evidence.
2- stories such as lottie moss don't concern me, because I'm using the drug safely, as prescribed, and I meet the prescribing guidelines. So why would I be concerned about entirely predictable health risks to people who take the drug when they should not be taking it? Those risks don't apply to me.

My DD is prescribed anti anxiety and ADHD meds. We’ve worked our way through 4-5 different varieties of each because of the ‘severe side effects’. That she suffers from these doesn’t make those medications dangerous or unfit for purpose such that no one else should have access to them. It just means that she suffers severe side effects to drugs she desperately needs and we have to try different ones when those SEs are unmanageable and unbareable.

Pretty sure most people taking drugs for cancer also suffer severe SEs too - it’s about weighting those side effects against the benefits.

For those of us who were 5-6 stone overweight, had fatty livers, chronic (and at times severe) back and joint pain, rising cholesterol, on the brink of diabetes (or there already) and any other significant health concerns, suffering from SEs for the first few months is something many accepted. With Ozempic, they usually pass within the first few months; with Mounjaro the side effects are actually minimal. I know 4 people who have been prescribed them in the last 6m, my son included, and - like me - no SEs whatsoever. Their underlying health conditions, however, are much improved.

The poster started off with this,

AccountDeleted · Today 05:43

A Nurse has died from using Mounjaro this is why there is no way I would be trying it until there is more evidence of the long term effects. She was a qualified medical professional and died.

^www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz^

Then when a few posters challenged the dumb sensationalist post and after a few more ridiculous posts from the poster, the poster went on to backtrack and posted this:

AccountDeleted · Today 07:09

I think my post has been misinterpreted. I don’t think these drugs are bad quite the opposite. I think there are a lot of easily influenced young girls able to get hold of it too easily. When used correctly under supervision it’s amazing but being able to buy it online is concerning. You can’t buy antidepressants on line for good reason and this should be the same

After that, their stance changed and has been slowly switching from one foot to the other with lots of bs. Trying to claim they "work in healthcare" and "the hospital where I work" to claim they know what they're talking about and when that's as shaky too (obviously!), they brought out the the big one to finally claim as the 'all knowing' of the half-truths they're on about: "I'm on it. I take it for t2d" 🤣🤣🤣

Good god! have mercy!🤣

And apparently now they are on it and they don’t beleive anyone gets it illegally.

the mind boggles.

@AccountDeleted Where have you gone? You were very quick with your previous replies on the thread but you've suddenly gone quiet once this new blunder has been caught. Frantically searching for more bs to post to get yourself out of the mess you've made all over this thread or ... I know, I know...you're suddenly 'too busy and getting on with other things because I have a life', I suppose you might say?

It's funny how some other posters keep going on about those on WLI being defensive, angry, upset, etc but all we do and seem to prove is that those who're so against this drug for whatever reason and incessantly 'preach-posting' about it are usually talking out of the arses and know exactly nothing when it comes to either this medicine or Medicine in general.

I've hardly seen any of them challenged with facts and they came up with facts to back up their claim. It's just weird opinions, sensationalist and inaccurate news, outright lies and bullshit of the highest order. Embarrassing!

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@ChangeHasCome
It's always a bit of a give-away when people who want to 'engage in debate' never listen to and absorb the scientific evidence others present, or take on board others' opposing arguments and then admit that they've learned something new and changed their position. WLI are the new COVID vaccinations.