OK I'm convinced, weight-loss drugs are Incredible and will change the world

[AliceAbsolum]

DH has been on them for a couple of months and they've changed our lives for the better. He's an over eater/ mild binger and generally quite obsessed with food. Never managed to keep weight off.

Now he's happy, calm, doesn't think about food, eats like a 'normal person' and it's freed up so much space and joy in our lives.

Apparently in the future it'll be a pill you can either take that day or not, e.g. Most days but not Christmas day. Incredible!

Yes I know people get side effects and they don't work for everyone, etc. But I'm very impressed.
Apparently they also help alcoholics and other addicts as they work on the reward centre's of the brain. Amazing.

I’m split on them TBH. I was on weight loss tablets and then an injection to suppress my appetite. It really affected my diabetes and was causing me to have hypos because I wasn’t eating enough to maintain my sugar levels because I just wasn’t hungry. I’ve learned to live with the fact I’m a chunk but as long I can keep my sugar levels stable to avoid hypos or the loss of limbs/diabetic eye problems I’m happy

My first thought was wow a stone in 2 weeks then remembered I lost 6kg in ONE week (imperial vs decimal mental arithmetic 😄).

Water retention .

Yes miracle drugs. And it’s not just CICO. I have ‘starved’ myself previously at the level of daily current calorie consumption (c1100-1300 calories) and lost half the weight in twice the time.

But for the majority of people whose weight is down to gluttony ie not PCOS etc (hands up, guilty ), the reality is the cost is ‘neutral’. Give up the vino and the takeaways and the crisps and biscuits, it pays for itself.

and we eat a mars bar for every line dont we?

I had PCOS for decades and ate in excess of my needs. Thats how I got fat. I grew up in the 70s with little to none junk food but massive portions and I love massive portions. I was then on medication in my 30s which made food cravings even worse.

Our biology or medication can make us want more food than we need or slow our metabolism to a degree that means eating 'normally' is in excess of what we need, but ultimately its about too many calories in, if it wasnt, then the drugs wouldnt work. And they do work.

A Nurse has died from using Mounjaro this is why there is no way I would be trying it until there is more evidence of the long term effects. She was a qualified medical professional and died.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6jg6nw2zeo.amp

I think you’ve misread. That early article says the death was linked, not due to, and it has now come about that that sadly that lady was very ill anyway and it was not due to the jab.

Would you also like to link the accurate articles about how many people have died from obesity though, rather than the one early article which is now shown this lady didn’t die from the jab, simply it was linked at the time, by her family?

Idiotic
40,000+ deaths due to obesity in 2021 in the UK
And it's risen since then
This drug is life saving

But you obviously you have no ability to understand the vast scientific evidence available to all patients who use it- so no, you should definitely not try it

The regulators feel it's safe enough to be prescribed by a pharmacist. I trust their judgement whenever I have a medical intervention, I don't see this as any different. What is different is suddenly everyone has something to say about it and act like they're better for making a different choice. It's just a medication. You don't have to take it, I just don't understand why you'd care others do.

Actually I lie. It reminds me of anti-vaxxers.

Not idiotic to be cautious of a new drug. This drug is available to anyone without medical supervision so far the data is limited
Public data is only available up to May this year, but between January and May 2024 there were 208 reports about tirzepatide on the yellow card scheme, including 31 serious reactions and one suspected death of a man in his sixties.

Obesity is a major cause for concern but these drugs should be prescribed via a weight loss clinic overseen by a GP. Currently there are young girls on it who are normal weight ending up in hospital with complications. Literally anyone can get it. Very silly to not see the potential dangers surrounding this.

This is inaccurate.

the drugs are not available to anyone. They are available to obese patients, with a bmi of 30, or 27 for certain ethnicities or with health conditions. Doctors or often notified, although not always.

secondly these drugs are available globally. And have been for over 20 years in different formats. Since approval for weight loss, we can look to the USA. 15 million people using them, 274 deaths, not one directly due to taking the drug correctly , but what the fda states is either fakes or wreckless usage.

of the deaths in the uk since that period, a much smaller number, again not one directly attributed to. All hospital admissions due to minor ailments, like nausea or the runs.

the drugs have risks yes. But let’s compare that to the 2000 people a year who die from taking nurofen. All drugs have their risks. However so does the medical issue they are curing. And risk should be balanced

the fact these drugs are now in the final stages of approval for both cardiovascular and kidney disease, should also tell you something.

this misinformation people are spreading, sometimes deliberately, sometimes as they simply don’t understand isn’t ok.

I care about people taking it illegally about as much as I care about other people taking other drugs illegally.....not at all. Their problem, their choice. If taken properly by those of us it is meant for, serious illness is rare. Well aware of what these illnesses may be, as they're listed in the paperwork you receive with the pen. I've read through the paperwork and made an informed choice. If others have read the list of possible side effects and have chosen differently, that's also OK. Sort of like HRT, I started as soon as I had some vague symptoms, other ladies think it's not for them, which is also OK

Anyone can get any drug they want if they are willing to lie and sneak. That doesn't mean the drugs are dangerous when they are used by their target patients for their intended purposes.

I don't get my tretinion via official routes. If my face falls off or I go blind, that's on me. It's not because the drug is bad and shouldn't be allowed.

It’s not miss information though. Literally anyone can get it without correct monitoring. So many young girls are getting hold of it with a normal BMI. It’s the regulation of it that’s the issue, if prescribed via a GP and weight loss clinic then great but I personally know of 2 you girls who have been admitted having seizures because they obtained these drugs.
Lottie Moss has recently spoken about being on it and being in hospital. The issue is anyone being able to get hold of it without correct advice and monitoring

All prescription drugs can be abused. That's really got nothing to do with people who use them on prescription for the correct purpose! Why conflate the two?

Then the post should be clarified. Say some people can get it illegally, like many other drugs. And they buy fakes or use it recklessly.

quite frankly if people take illegal drugs that’s not my problem, and it doesn’t mean it should be banned for people who need them. If that was the case no one would be aneathitised ever again.

bingo!

I think my post has been misinterpreted. I don’t think these drugs are bad quite the opposite. I think there are a lot of easily influenced young girls able to get hold of it too easily. When used correctly under supervision it’s amazing but being able to buy it online is concerning. You can’t buy antidepressants on line for good reason and this should be the same

No one has said it should be banned? Its an amazing drug but it needs tighter regulations

You cannot simply buy it online from a reputable supplier unless you lie. Use a fake photo. And again, that’s not my problem. Or anyone else using it legally.

we are all touched you’re so worried about people who lie and take the drug illegally. And I’m sure you’ve the same concern for all the other drugs people an buy on line and abuse.

That’s great , compile a list of all the hundreds of drugs you can buy on line and petition the government, this is one of the most controlled of that list. But email them and say some folks lie so you’d personally like tighter regs to make it harder for those who need it.

crack on, but I can assure you, due to the limited signficant issues, that genie isn’t going back in the bottle.

I do not give two shits about young girls using them illegally!!! I take some quite heavy duty pain meds while waiting for my hip replacement. Those meds are probably used as recreational drugs by others. Not my problem. I use the drugs as intended, for crippling pain, so I can walk. If you use them on a Friday night to get high, crack on, not the drugs fault if you drop dead!!!

Similar thing happened to me with mounjaro, but within 24 hours of first injection.

They do seem amazing to many people but I am certain that within a year or two the fact that they cause anxiety/panic attacks for a small percentage of people will be recognized. I gather anecdotally that they also improve anxiety in some others so I guess people have to try it and see, but unfortunately for me the side effects were particularly unpleasant. Could have coped with nausea or burping...

They aren’t getting it illegally so why would I clarify that? It is available on line to anyone? Girls of 18 are on it. These are young adults that are still practically children and are buying it because celebrities are in it.
Then there are many people who are buying it but without fully understanding and contraindication’s and without disclosing full medical history and with no monitoring