Death linked to Mounjaro

[suki1964]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6jg6nw2zeo

I am in no way knocking anyone who is using these drugs, seriously if I could use them I would. However Im throwing this up here because these drugs have only been tested and deemed safe on a small study - those who's BMI is above 30.

The Government allowed this rubbish that some people call food, to appear on the supermarket shelves decades ago, and people are clearly paying the price. The solution is then presented to them, in a palatable way, which in turn makes them money either way.

@Froggerz Using Sharon Osbourne as an example is self defeating. For starters she's in the US which has a completely different model of healthcare. Secondly, she was a healthy weight when she started. No one should have prescribed her Ozempic, and she would have had to lie to obtain it in the UK. Thirdly, she is 70 plus and has had extensive plastic surgery/cosmetic treatments, which is the main reason she looks as she does. None of that is relevant to people in the UK taking Mounjaro.

" a bunch of young people that can’t be arsed to educate themselves about diet/exercise because there’s a pill for that." - people are not going to become obese deliberately, in order to then have to take prescription medication to lose weight. It's just not realistic to suggest such an outcome.

Plz
You are so ignorant you are no doubt not up to basic maths!

You are very 'worried' about what some celeb looks like... None of us jabbers give a damn about looks really and are focussed on regaining health

Are you as concerned about other side effects of pharmacotherapy generally? You stressing about taking B blockers for hypertension getting fatigue? You lying awake at night because someone taking chemotherapy may lose their hair? Nope, thought not!

You must be a particularly nasty character to resent people regaining their health. You are embarrassingly ignorant of medical and scientific information ( which WLI users have in abundance)

No one is obliging you to have these medications, you won't be forced to take them

But you ought to take a hard look at yourself and why you are resentful of lots of people regaining their health and the eradication of obesity'

I don't think j we can argue with such wilful ignorance

This @Froggerz can't even figure out that WLI works by supporting patients to diet!

And seems to be a nasty person who resents the eradication of obesity' which will be of staggering benefit to our society and our NHS, as well as wonderful for every individual who regains their health

Happy jabbing, and I look forward to more widespread use of tirzepatide within NHS

It will take more than one story like this to affect the devotion of the cult of Mounjaro fanatasists.

Could say the same about the covid jab cult as well.

No science for you, eh?

Expect you don't ever use medical treatment ever

Good luck taking out your own appendix!

Hmmm where have I heard that before.

What other prescription medication would you say that about? Antidepressants?

If people were posting about how antidepressants have improved their health and that the risk of the side effects was lower than the huge impact on their physical and mental health, would you say the same?

What a silly response.

No.

Why not?

That’s hugely hypocritical.

A silly response was indicated

You started it lol

Likening extensive medical evidence as a cult

So clear of any antibiotics also, who knows what's in them

And obviously that new fangled COVID jab will track your location and contains a microchip

There isn’t quite the same culture of lying and egging others on to get the drug online.

I think we can all agree that taking chemo for breast cancer is quite different to taking weightloss medication.

I think most people would feel different taking a prescribed medication like beta blockers or statins if it was properly prescribed by their GP. I’m not aware of anyone popping into boots, and getting a discount code, lying that they have cancer in hope that they can get some good chemo?!

I feel the same about WLI as I do about medication to cure baldness, or injections to help your skin be less saggy or surgical breast lifts. It’s not really necessary in a lot of cases and in the case of weight loss, there is a free, healthy alternative.

I only know one person on WLI and she is overweight but not by much and certainly nothing that a few months of careful exercise and diet wouldn’t sort. She’s a 14-16 at most. She told me it switched off her desire to drink alcohol and spend money too. Weird.

Not just antidepressants

I think this sort of individual should steer clear of all pharmacotherapy, and medical intervention generally

I don’t believe those other silly things.

If is not the treatment I am against per se. It’s an evidence-based treatment helpful for certain groups. It’s the online hysteria about it that is the cult-like aspect.

It should take much MUCH more than one story for any sensible, rational, knowledgeable person who's done their due diligence and knows what they're talking about to fall for anything, let alone the consistently ignorant fear-tactics of the cult of the Mounjaro doom-mongers, who obviously are daft and simple-minded enough to think this incomplete, non-detailed, unfortunate story (among thousands of success stories) would get people in the former group cowering in fear and thanking those in the latter group profusely for saving them from Mounjaro.

If only you knew my background and training. But go ahead, believe what you like about me and make personal insults if it helps you.

What’s that got to do with anything?

Who here is lying or egging other people on to take it? And are you sure people don’t lie and encourage each other to get prescription medication such as anti depressants l?

Your post was about this thread. Who on this thread is doing it?

Why do you believe all people taking a prescription medication are in a cult because some people take the same medication inappropriately?

Some people take antidepressants inappropriately. Some people, even on MN, encourage people to take them because they helped them. Do you consider those people to be in a cult?

In the case of antidepressants if stories came out about celebs using them to boost mood even though they didn’t need them, if they cost over 200quid a month, if people were lying to obtain them, if bbc news started running the odd story about how they kill perfectly ok people at random in quite a horrible painful way like pancreatitis, and if the one of the main causes was depression was the food industry and poor education… then yes I would feel the same about them.

but it’s a completely different thing. Can’t you see it?!

It wasn't meant to be about this thread. Nobody has said they have lied here.

Because having depression isn't a deadly sin. Unlike obesity. That's basically what all this guff comes down to. People see obesity as bad, and therefore obese people are bad people who can only be forgiven if their path to becoming good is as painful and arduous as possible. That is their punishment.

We already know the answers...

Ultra processed food,
Too much sugar
Too few vegetable
Too much alcohol
Drink more water
Lack of exercise
Sedentary lifestyles and work roles.

Cut out sugar, home cook from scratch, go back to eating meat and veg for meals and fruit for dessert.

That means no biscuits, cakes, fizzy drinks, sweets, crisps, cheap fast snack foods, very little alcohol, revert to wholemeal bread ie go back to eating a 1950s diet and you solve the problem.

And why don’t they report on the amount of people who die, whilst taking antidepressants.

Celebs do take all sorts of drugs that they don’t need.

Have you seen the side effects of some antidepressants?

Theres compelling evidence connecting gut health to poor mental health. So food industry.

Not sure what you mean about poor education. Are you assuming obese people are poorly educated?

So what was the relevance of the post then?

You came into the middle of a conversation to make a random comment about some people whose behaviour you don’t agree with that are nothing to do with the thread?

Hmmm actually sounds like you just wanted to make a shitty comment but can’t actually back it up. So now backtracking.