Mounjaro / Wegovy with > 5st / 30kg to lose: Thread 3

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Thread 3!

Anyone using weight-loss injections to lose more than 5 stone / 30 kg is very welcome to come and chat in this supportive space.

Well done @SilverSprings510 Brilliant losses.

Weigh in day for me also:
SW in May - 18st 6lbs
CW 14st 8lbs

Total loss of 3st 12lbs!!

I have to pinch myself sometimes as this doesn't feel real. I can't get used to my weight being 14 something!

I'm going to start my second 7.5 pen today. I do have a 10 as well in the fridge but 7.5 is still working well so I'll stick with this for now.

3 weeks in and I am 4.1kg down. Or to put it in perspective 2x2l bottles of water less. Felt the needle this morning though. Not in a 'hospital blood thinners' kind of way but knew it was happening unlike the last 2 times. I am having a ME flare and everything is on overdrive so I'm not totally ununsurprisedi need to order my next pen soon and I'll probably go up to 5mg this time. While MJ has been working towards rhe end of the week I could easily slip back into old habits again.

Sulphur burps are fairly vile but peppermint capsules from Holland and Barrett sort that out. Just don't bite into them like I did. That was a mistake I won't be repeating in a hurry.

Thank you all for updating on your losses. Can't wait for it for myself and finally feeling a bit better about myself/body. Went down a spiral last night and read some jab shaming threads, jab weightloss is not earned, you deserve no praise, blah blah blah... I just don't understand. I'm wrong for being fat, I'm wrong to go on a diet (you should be eating this not that, you're eating too little too much, why don't you just....) and now I'm wrong for choosing help that's available. Need to give myself a talking to that it's noone else's business but my own and that it doesn't matter if there are a few that think I cheated. I'll still look fab in smaller dress sizes and be fit enough for my hip replacement!!!

My argument is this: if I was struggling with my mental health and I went on anti-depressants, I would rightfully be told well done for seeking support. I am struggling with my weight and this medication is helping me address that.

But of course, people only get fat because they’re greedy and lazy 🙄

I did once say to my GP "If it's that simple to lose weight, why are obesity levels rising across the world?" and she didn't really have an answer.

Brian Wansink's book Mindless Eating has a lot to say about things like portion upsizing in restaurants etc. Some of his research has been discredited, but AFAIK not the behavioural stuff.

Aw. Try not to let them get you down.
You're doing something positive and amazing to help your body get healthier which is no one else's business.

There's some very nasty people out there once you mention weight loss drugs.

But I'm forever grateful for the amazing supportive MJ community on here. It's so encouraging to have others to discuss this with.

I know (am hoping) that when I get to a certain place in my weightloss, I won't give a f**k what anyone thinks or says even if they do know I did it with the help of MJ. But for now, I will keep my circle small as I do not want to deal with other people's negativity or judgement. I'm only newly on HRT, hasn't balanced itself completely yet, so I may end up just smacking them lolololololol

Maybe it is reaching perimenopause, but I really don't care that much what others think anymore. I just think if they have a problem with it, it's probably due to some of their own 'stuff' about weight etc. I have to deal with DH's family who mainly have food and eating issues, trying to give / offer me cakes etc competitive under-eating etc, and mounjaro is giving me the confidence to say no and it's such a useful 'tool'- I'm grateful for it.

I've also had negative comments about HRT, you can't win with some people.

I've had negative comments about being on crutches for a badly sprained ankle!!!

I bloody love this wee community we have here😍

Fat shaming had been replaced with jab shaming. I try to resist going down that rabbit hole, as it's so desperately depressing. As another Poster says, it is purely projection a lot of the time. I think it is an easy assumption for a naturally slim person to think they are so by judgement more than luck, and cannot understand how people can be so greedy and lazy that they choose to become obese.

The judgements I have had over the years are quite alarming. There is a thread at the moment where the OP says she always resisted the puddings, and didn't eat to excess where is her fat friends (now on MJ) never did. [She made some valid points, and she was careful, but my overwhelming feeling was it was an inflammatory post]. I wanted to, but resisted, saying I am, like you, always turning down the puddings, and don't have the toastie and the slice of cake, but the vitriol by some of the posters made me glad to just come away from it.

We have got this lovely losers. Let us champion ourselves and try not to get dragged down by that negative narrative.

I don't walk- my legs substitute is a large powerchair. Being a plus size powerchair user just seems like an open book in terms of negative comments. I'm not exactly averse to 're-educating' people though. My usual tactic is to go all out Hyacinth Bucket. As I'm also deaf I can't hear how loud I am speaking so any such re-education is usually delivered loud enough for everyone else around to hear.

I stopped caring what other people thought a long time ago. It screwed with my mental health too much when I did care. Having said that though I don't plan on telling people about the MJ as I class that as private medical info. Only my dh and my best friend knows.

People should just be glad there are people well aware of their health and how they need to make changes and that they are doing something to make a change and be healthy again. The jab alone doesn't do too much because you still have to change your eating habits and fitness and change your mentality. People who are trying to BECOME fit have to resist those cakes just as much as those who ALREADY ARE fit.

Oh for goodness sake. I hope the ankle is Ok now.

Someone on the earlier thread posted about OVIVO who run remote Tier 3 weight management support - I looked into it and it sounded quite interesting.
You can self refer but need doctor to complete and submit a referal form.

Doctor thinks she can't refer me for this as my BMI is below 40. Well it is now 37, but before I started on MJ my BMI was 41. So the most she can refer me for is Tier 2 support. I took a look at the T2 support offered - its all, eat vegetables, how to cook pasta etc and exercise. Might be useful for some people but not for me. I know how to buy, cook, prepare and eat healthy foods and I'm exercising 5 days a week at least in one way or another.

I am looking for some support to explore some of the fixed unhealthy ideas I have about food - in my head!! My head is ultimately in change of my body. I've discussed a few of the issues I am having on this thread and many others are having similar issues & realisations on MJ.

So I am obese, but not obese enough for T3 support. T2 support seems woefully inadequate and patronising. Even at my worst I don't consume sugary drinks, eat very little "junk" or processed foods and I probably eat more vegetables than 90% of Brits.

www.kentcht.nhs.uk/service/one-you-kent/one-you-weight-loss/get-food-smart/

The NHS refuses me the support I need and am looking for, at every turn, even when I am able to self refer.

(Also I can no longer access HRT on the NHS but that is another story)

the reason I was interested in T3/Ovivo was I thought it could be useful in embedding the new portion sizes etc, and working through some long held issues with food so when I come of MJ I have made meaningful lasting changes

Hello fellow power chair user!!!!!

It was me that posted about the Oviva. I'm kind of similar, but they have BMI 40 on the GPs system so think they might be referring me. Not sure if I will get the prescription though as less than 40 now, as well. It's annoying.

It's wegovy as well Oviva prescribe not mounjaro. I'm not sure of the side effects. Is anyone on wegovy on here, how is it?

I think for those of us with more weight to lose it is a bit deal as the costs will be higher as it takes longer.

Who are you getting the mounjaro from atm? There can be deals for bundles of e.g. 3 pens or things like discounts for referring people which can bring it down a bit.

PS I did the Olivia questionnaire online at BMI 37 and it accepted me, so might be worth a try getting the GP to refer again? Especially if you have weight related problems. Ours has an e-consult system so it is easy to send them stuff

The Nice guidance is here for wegovy and says about 35, not 40..

www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ta875/chapter/1-Recommendations

I need some positive stories. I'm really considering stopping MJ. I'm on week 6 of 2.5mg and suppression has gone completely, I'm so hungry. I've gained 2lbs this week.
But I'm too scared to go up, having read the stories on here. I just don't know if I can do it. I'm so scared of being sick, severe emetophobia.

But people who have bad side effects are more likely to post. People who are OK probably don't.. so u will be reading more bad things..

I had 5 2.5 dose then went straight to 5mg. I was apprehensive and I considered 3.75 to help but thought nah fuck it.. straight to 5 and I'm glad I did.. feel fine, no side effects apart from mild constipation again, 2nd time now but easily fixed..

Go for it..

Fat shaming had been replaced with jab shaming.

The strangest ones I find are the ones who are on the jags (Scotland! Can't say jab 😂) themselves and are shaming others too.

One of the facebook groups I am on there are getting their knickers in a twist over another media story that unemployed are all potentially getting them on the NHS to try to support them into employment. It is like a tier system.

Those that can diet/stay slim resent private patients from buying.

The private patients resent those who might get on the NHS.

Those that are employed and buying privately resent those who are unemployed and might get on the NHS.

I wish everyone had affordable access to these jags. Anyone who gets them on the NHS are going to be some of the most vulnerable in society and have to jump through hoops and eligibility criteria to get there. I wouldn't want to swap my life for theirs, so I think all the best to them and I hope it changes their lives!

@morbidcuriosity thanks, this is the sort of thing I need to hear, or read!!

You could always get a 5mg pen but use it to work up to the full 5mg dose really gradually. So a week or two of 3mg, then 3.5 if that's ok, up to 5. You can control the dose by counting the clicks and can stick with whatever dose gives good suppression while still feeling ok.

2.5mg did almost nothing for me, I lost 5lbs in the first week and then gained in weeks 2-4. And then I lost 13lbs in a month on 5mg.

Not everyone gets side effects (I am on 7.5mg and have had one afternoon of burps so far, in 14 weeks, not even a hint of nausea). Plus even in those who do get a side effect, it's rarely vomiting, much more likely to be a bit constipated, or cold, or have a headache I think. Also I just checked my leaflet and it says nausea and vomiting is most common when first starting on MJ and "decreases in time in most patients". So if you haven't had any nausea so far I think it's unlikely to start now?

I think it's worth a try, but only you can weigh up the risk of being sick with the potential benefits of gradually increasing the dose. Good luck!

@alwaysscared could you try doing 2.5mg jabs every 4 or 5 days, if you're nervous about going up? You could get a 5mg pen, which isn't much more £ than the 2.5 one, and then just very gradually work your way up to a 5mg dose.

So with the 5mg pen, you'd need to do 30 clicks to get a dose of 2.5mg. It sounds like you don't get side effects on that, so you could gradually increase - 35 then 40 then 45 clicks, and that (45) would be 3.75mg but it would be a very gentle increase.