Page 5 | Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

AboutVattime · 2024-10-07T17:59:34+00:00

I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10 I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally. When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand. However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ??? Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ? Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

soupfiend · 07/10/2024 20:00

Ive said it before but cant help repeat myself, fatties are wrong for being fat, wrong for losing the fat. Wrong wrong wrong.

By the way just a comment about gallstones, gallstones are most likely in women who are overweight. They get tetchy about less fat going in which is when they seem to flare up (this is not a scientific explanation) which is why when someone loses weight they are often diagnosed with gall stones and they think the weight loss caused the stones

Your stones have been there growing for a while due to being overweight. Mine included, bastard things

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:01

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 19:57

Yet every study has shown they have amazing side effects beyond weight loss and impact health positively

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Not if you end up with gastroparesis

J1Dub · 07/10/2024 20:01

Somethingsnappy · 07/10/2024 19:38

Can I ask why he advised against it?

An 'easy' fix does appeal. But I'd be anxious about the sustainability and side effects. I'm a similar height and weight to OP. I started intermittent fasting at the same time OP started taking the drug. I've lost a stone so far, so it's slow, but it's going in the right direction, and feels sustainable, healthy, and suits my body and lifestyle.

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Of course. He was concerned about long-term effects. He thought it could make my blood sugar too low, and said that it's as risky to long-term survival as obesity -I might not be explaining this properly. I think that particular risk is higher in diabetics, and he says my current medication is perfectly fine.

He also doesn't think that the long-term effects of the interaction with my other medications and Ozempic have been researched fully. Of course that's the case with many medications and I'm currently on seven different ones -six of which are for unrelated conditions.

Pedallleur · 07/10/2024 20:01

Hercisback1 · 07/10/2024 19:09

For a loss like yours they're life changing. However what's your long term plan? Are you on them for life?

My concern is we don't know the side effects. We don't yet know what potential problems we may face at a population level.

All this. I keep readiing how good it is and get the impression this is for life. Nothing is free. It's chemistry and biology and somewhere there may effects over long term use. But I understand the short term gains.

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:02

@WandaFishy99 what % of people end up with that?

I've lost 10% of my body weight in 8 weeks. I'm made up.

Foxblue · 07/10/2024 20:02

soupfiend · 07/10/2024 19:54

I lost my long reply to this because the page was moved

Statistically therapy is not as effective as other drugs
I had lots of different types of therapy over the years, different models at different times not for weight loss per se but obviously it was discussed
Lots of useful strategies from all that over the years, none worked
Emotional eating was an excuse, it was no such thing for me, I just love food, and am greedy, love eating ,cooking, drinking, going out, living the high life, love rich foods
I had a sleeve and so cant eat and realised I wasnt eating emotionally because theres no craving/emotion around food even though Im still hungry. I cant eat as much so I simply dont. Still love the theatre of food.
Therefore when people say they eat emotionally, Im inclined to wonder if that is true. Its something socially acceptable so we tell ourselves this.
Humans are conditioned to enjoy and eat in excess, some of us more than others, some of us didnt have a physical off switch.
My doctor had said for many many years, you simply need the mechanics to stop you eating so much and he was right.
If I wasnt so squeamish about the jabs I would have simply stayed on them but I cant stand needles.

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Thank you for your response - your use of the term 'theatre of food' has really resonated with me. I'm also glad that you have retained your love of something that gives you great pleasure (as it does me!)

ItsAlrightDarling · 07/10/2024 20:04

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:01

Not if you end up with gastroparesis

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A serious but extremely rare side effect. Most medications have them.

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:04

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:02

@WandaFishy99 what % of people end up with that?

I've lost 10% of my body weight in 8 weeks. I'm made up.

I don't know, but I'm sure the answer is available if you search for it.

ChangeHasCome · 07/10/2024 20:04

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 07/10/2024 20:00

I didn't say it did, but do we want a nation of of unnecessarily medicated people when they could avoid getting fat in the first place? That has to be the emphasis, not locking the stable door once the horse has bolted.

In cases where people already are, fair enough. We don't know the long-term implications of the drugs but we do know the long-term implications of obesity and it's not pretty. I don't blame people for taking the risk, but the situation should be avoided in the first place in as much as it can ever be.

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I agree with avoiding it and that's a wider societal issue. Our govt could do a lot to change that.

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:05

@WandaFishy99 you're the one saying people end up with it, so back up your claims.

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:05

ItsAlrightDarling · 07/10/2024 20:04

A serious but extremely rare side effect. Most medications have them.

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That's no consolation if you're the 1/1000 or whatever the odds are

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 07/10/2024 20:06

pbdr · 07/10/2024 19:20

It's because there is such societal ignorance about the causes of obesity, and people genuinely believe it's just a lifestyle choice, and that injections are "cheating" and "the lazy way" to lose weight. So there's a stigma that leads to people feeling shame and hiding their treatment to avoid judgement.

It's all nonsense of course. The evidence is clear that obesity is largely a genetic disease. There are over 1100 different genes that have been identified so far that are linked to obesity, most of which affect appetite, food seeking behaviours, satiety after eating and compulsion to eat. Naturally slim people who don't have an obesogenic genetic makeup are often ignorant of what it is like for those who do, and imagine that it's a level playing field where obese people are just making worse choices than they are and are to blame for their obesity. In reality people with a significantly obesogenic genetic makeup can feel insatiably hungry, obsessive about food with an overwhelming compulsion to eat. The degree of self control required to continually override that is simply beyond what most people are capable of sustaining in the long term, and so obesity (in an environment where access to food is unlimited) is more or less inevitable. Naturally slim people do not generally have better self control than naturally obese people- they just simply don't need it, as their desire to eat and appetite are normal.
Because of these powerful genetic factors, in the context of unlimited access to food in our society, the success rates of diet and exercise interventions alone for long term weight loss are abysmal. These injections down regulate appetite and compulsion to eat to normal, controllable levels that makes sustainable weight loss possible for people for whom it has never been within reach before.

I am very lucky to naturally tend towards being a normal, healthy weight, but I am very aware that if I had just a few different genes I would be obese. I am a doctor and have seen how utterly life changing these treatments can be for patients. So many of them marvel at the loss of the "food noise" that that previously plagued them every waking moment, and even besides the weight loss, that alone can have a massive positive impact on their quality of life. Sadly right now there is very little nhs availability so mostly only patients who can afford to pay have access. I hope this changes with time as the huge health benefits of weight loss in terms of cardiovascular disease and diabetes reduction will surely make these treatments cost effective.

So in a nutshell, monjouro is an appetite suppressant? Do you know how it suppresses appetite, does it impact hormones?

Reflecting on the OPs question, maybe people aren’t keenly talking about getting the jabs because they feel shame for their uncontrollable appetite and so don’t wish to admit to needing this.

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:06

@WandaFishy99 ibuprofen nearly killed my dad. Shall we take it off the shelves?

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:06

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:06

@WandaFishy99 ibuprofen nearly killed my dad. Shall we take it off the shelves?

You're being ridiculous now

ItsAlrightDarling · 07/10/2024 20:07

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:05

That's no consolation if you're the 1/1000 or whatever the odds are

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No. Same with any medication. An unluckily percentage will have the very rare but serious side effect.
I had a rare and serious side effect from an antidepressant in my 20s. Should probably have tried to cure my depression with ‘thinking happy thoughts’ instead.

MsCactus · 07/10/2024 20:07

pbdr · 07/10/2024 19:20

It's because there is such societal ignorance about the causes of obesity, and people genuinely believe it's just a lifestyle choice, and that injections are "cheating" and "the lazy way" to lose weight. So there's a stigma that leads to people feeling shame and hiding their treatment to avoid judgement.

It's all nonsense of course. The evidence is clear that obesity is largely a genetic disease. There are over 1100 different genes that have been identified so far that are linked to obesity, most of which affect appetite, food seeking behaviours, satiety after eating and compulsion to eat. Naturally slim people who don't have an obesogenic genetic makeup are often ignorant of what it is like for those who do, and imagine that it's a level playing field where obese people are just making worse choices than they are and are to blame for their obesity. In reality people with a significantly obesogenic genetic makeup can feel insatiably hungry, obsessive about food with an overwhelming compulsion to eat. The degree of self control required to continually override that is simply beyond what most people are capable of sustaining in the long term, and so obesity (in an environment where access to food is unlimited) is more or less inevitable. Naturally slim people do not generally have better self control than naturally obese people- they just simply don't need it, as their desire to eat and appetite are normal.
Because of these powerful genetic factors, in the context of unlimited access to food in our society, the success rates of diet and exercise interventions alone for long term weight loss are abysmal. These injections down regulate appetite and compulsion to eat to normal, controllable levels that makes sustainable weight loss possible for people for whom it has never been within reach before.

I am very lucky to naturally tend towards being a normal, healthy weight, but I am very aware that if I had just a few different genes I would be obese. I am a doctor and have seen how utterly life changing these treatments can be for patients. So many of them marvel at the loss of the "food noise" that that previously plagued them every waking moment, and even besides the weight loss, that alone can have a massive positive impact on their quality of life. Sadly right now there is very little nhs availability so mostly only patients who can afford to pay have access. I hope this changes with time as the huge health benefits of weight loss in terms of cardiovascular disease and diabetes reduction will surely make these treatments cost effective.

I just wanted to say I 100% agree with this. I've always been underweight to healthy weight - and when I tried to diet after having a baby I absolutely didn't have the willpower to do it. I've no idea how anyone restricts themselves like that! I couldnt do it - just ended up eating more rebelliously - so gave up.

Without dieting, I was back down to my usual weight after 18 months of giving birth.

My husband battles his weight and diets every single day to stay just within a healthy weight. I've no idea how he does it. His natural appetite is totally different to mine

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:07

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doodleschnoodle · 07/10/2024 20:08

soupfiend · 07/10/2024 19:13

People never show any concern about my OH being on these jabs, or go on about the side effects (which he suffers with daily)

Oh wait, he is prescribed these for his diabetes, along with millions of other diabetics, and the drugs have been around for 20 years or more

Is no one concerned?

No, apparently it's just us fatties who will all get cancer and die from it.

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:08

@WandaFishy99 he had a 1/1000 reaction to it.

You're the one claiming the rare side effects mean mounjaro isn't safe.

You've also just told another poster to solve their depression through "happy thoughts"

ItsAlrightDarling · 07/10/2024 20:09

Anyway @WandaFishy99 , I don’t believe you actually care if some random on the internet who you’ve never met develops gastroparesis, so what’s your real issue with the jabs?

MurdoMunro · 07/10/2024 20:10

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Woah. That’s over the line Wandafishy.

ChangeHasCome · 07/10/2024 20:12

Shows you how some people who're against this medication think. They come across all self righteous first, then the gloves come off.

ItsAlrightDarling · 07/10/2024 20:12

MurdoMunro · 07/10/2024 20:10

Woah. That’s over the line Wandafishy.

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It’s ok, I wasn’t upset by her post, because she’s obviously just a very ignorant idiot who is trying to provoke a reaction.

vipersnest1 · 07/10/2024 20:12

I'm mystified by the negative posts on this thread.
Yes, like all other medications there will be people who misuse them. I personally could access more opioid drugs (and I do take them very occasionally due to my health conditions) by exaggerating levels of pain.
Because of said conditions, I can either work and not exercise or exercise and not work which I can't afford to do.
I'm stuck in a catch-22 situation where I can't exercise to get fitter and lose weight because most of the time I don't have the energy to. I'm not medically obese and my weight is stable.
Losing weight would benefit me massively health wise and I was much lighter and had far more energy and stamina before I became very unwell.
For people like me, these medications are a way to make a big difference in their health and welfare. Why shouldn't I (and others like me) try to access them if I can?

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:14

ChangeHasCome · 07/10/2024 20:12

Shows you how some people who're against this medication think. They come across all self righteous first, then the gloves come off.

What gets me is most of us are paying for it ourselves.

So save for the few who get long term side effects, if we "put it all back on", it's us who will pay! It doesn't make sense