Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

I don't think they're trying to. Maybe celebs but not regular people. They're more trying to not attract judgement and hostility.

This interests me the notion of: ‘ concern is we don't know the side effects. We don't yet know what potential problems we may face at a population level.’ Yet people were queing around blocks for Covid jabs without knowing their long term risks. Both taken in the hope to extend life

Do people look any different for the jabs? I mean, someone who loses 2 stones and is on injections - and somebody the same starting weight who loses the same but not on injections - how would anybody know?

Nobody deserves judgement for their weight, on or off, actually.

Obesity is more than just a lifestyle issue.

Human Genome study

Loos and Yeo

Social, behavioural and environmental causes of obesity

Jason Fung's book The Obesity Code is also very interesting.

Genetics, hormones, environmental factors such as low socioeconomic status, obesogenic environments and non-exercise activity thermogenesis (ie how many calories an individual burns at rest), among other things, all influence whether or not someone is likely to or does develop obesity.

Modern medical thinking leans more towards obesity being a disease rather than a personal choice or failing. Like most things, it is epigenetic - a complex mix of genes and how they interact with social and environmental factors.

We don't want a situation where people en mass think 'to hell with eating responsibly' because they can always take a wonder drug if they get fat. The emphasis has to be on healthy eating, education and preventative measures.

My diabetic nurse prescribed it happily and it's been brilliant. Within a couple of weeks being on Mounjaro I was able to stop the insulin completely and have since been able to stop the metformin too.

I've gone from 8 units of insulin twice a day and 4 x 500mg metformin daily to a once weekly injection of Mounjaro, I've also been losing a consistent 1-2 lb a week so I'm currently 18 lbs down.

Hi OP

We're just moving this to the weightloss injections topic.

I think it's more likely to not be jealousy etc, but because some people listened in Biology at school and know how complex the body is and that the long-term impact isn't known yet.

Well that’s the whole thing isn’t it?
Despite what we’ve been told so many times, sometimes eating well and exercising isn’t enough.

I just say it's my colitis (I do have colitis)

This is a good point. The ship has sailed for a lot of people now but if we can help the next generation it would be great

This wonder drug actually works only when you eat responsibly. It helps you to do just that - that is the 'magic' of it. The drug doesn't make weight magically fall off you while you're eating whatever and whenever. Most people want to use that aid to get to a healthy weight then continue with the responsible eating and lifestyle that's become a habit.

Where the OP has another thread from the weekend.

Wonder what commission she’s getting.

I lost my long reply to this because the page was moved

Statistically therapy is not as effective as other drugs
I had lots of different types of therapy over the years, different models at different times not for weight loss per se but obviously it was discussed
Lots of useful strategies from all that over the years, none worked
Emotional eating was an excuse, it was no such thing for me, I just love food, and am greedy, love eating ,cooking, drinking, going out, living the high life, love rich foods
I had a sleeve and so cant eat and realised I wasnt eating emotionally because theres no craving/emotion around food even though Im still hungry. I cant eat as much so I simply dont. Still love the theatre of food.
Therefore when people say they eat emotionally, Im inclined to wonder if that is true. Its something socially acceptable so we tell ourselves this.
Humans are conditioned to enjoy and eat in excess, some of us more than others, some of us didnt have a physical off switch.
My doctor had said for many many years, you simply need the mechanics to stop you eating so much and he was right.
If I wasnt so squeamish about the jabs I would have simply stayed on them but I cant stand needles.

@LifefallingapartII "This interests me the notion of: ‘ concern is we don't know the side effects. We don't yet know what potential problems we may face at a population level.’ Yet people were queing around blocks for Covid jabs without knowing their long term risks. "

I'm sorry but those 2 things are not remotely the same. Weight loss can be achieved without injections but for covid you do need the immunity through jab form if you want it. Surely you can see how one is essential and the other is not.

This isn't how the drugs are supposed to be used.

They are supposed to go with long term dietary/lifestyle changes. They are not a magic bullet.

It would of course be much better if there was more effort put into preventative care and we did not live in a very obesogenic environment. Obesity also disproportionately affects poorer communities and should be treated as a health inequality.

People have attached morality to your weight.

If you're fat you're bad and need to suffer to lose it. If you're skinny you're good and don't need to suffer. It's that simple. It's years of negative messaging around weight in the media.

It takes the edge off your appetite and stops sugar, carb and alcohol cravings so makea it easier to eat healthily.

I am on Mounjaro for Diabetes and have not lost any weight at all.

It’s not a healthy way to lose weight

Yet every study has shown they have amazing side effects beyond weight loss and impact health positively

As a seasoned yo yo dieter I stopped telling people about my weight loss attempts years ago. It is so much easier just to get on with it.

It has just become one of many things I choose not to discuss or share with most people.

I didn't say it did, but do we want a nation of of unnecessarily medicated people when they could avoid getting fat in the first place? That has to be the emphasis, not locking the stable door once the horse has bolted.

In cases where people already are, fair enough. We don't know the long-term implications of the drugs but we do know the long-term implications of obesity and it's not pretty. I don't blame people for taking the risk, but the situation should be avoided in the first place in as much as it can ever be.

Has it lowered your Hba1c at all?

People shouldn’t be commenting on other people’s appearance anyway, it’s rude.