Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

Saw this online. True and I hope this journey to solving obesity will be available to all who need it. Others can call it whatever they want.

I thought about this on my walk at lunch.

Weirdly - so was I!

I think you are right but I also wondered if there wasn't a bit of self-preservation going on too.

IF you have looked down on fatties and exist in a world where fatties have done that to themselves and are too lazy to fix it - the moral righteouness can stay with you. You can go on feeling good about yourself.

But...

IF you have looked down on fatties and exist in a world where metebolic issues are common and people's biology has driven them to gain weight and then made it impossible for them to lose it, the table turns. Suddenly then the moral righteousness is with them.

It can actually take quite a lot of courage and self-honesty to admit you have basically looked down on people for something that is not their fault and, therefore, you're the dickhead and not them. I think many people are not capable of that level of self-refection.

But they won't change their opinions, as we saw from this thread they think it's all just laziness and the jab means we sit at home stuffing takeaways all day while the fat melts off us.

It's crazy. It's so sad that people think so little of themselves

@CoverMeInMarmalade I hope it makes a big difference to you too. The main thing for me was that although I’ve had moments of feeling a bit fed up along the months, I’ve always had the knowledge that this WOULD work so no temptation to just think ‘fuck it’. And now I am where I’d never thought I’d be, I know it’s there for me if I need it again. So there really is no reason for me to be so overweight again.

I think a lot of peoples attitude towards fat loss jabs is similar to a lot of peoples attitudes towards bariatric or cosmetic surgery - they see it as cheating.

It's so stupid - this is literally life-changing, even life-saving medical treatment for people suffering from a chronic and very dangerous disease. It's really not the same as getting a nose job. (And there's nothing wrong with getting a nose job anyway!)

@WhySoSeriousSeriously maybe it is cheating. In the same way that HRT cheats symptoms of the menopause, an epidural cheats the pain of childbirth, viagra cheats floppy dicks, the pill cheats conception, paracetamol cheats a headache, SSRIs cheat depression and so on. Medicines are created and used to help us live healthier lives, or 'cheat' our way to healthier lives and ozempic and tirzepatide are just the same.

Unless someone is against all medications, then the logic of the cheating argument is fundamentally flawed.

But when this is said to those who are against them, they come back with things like "oh but they weren't originally designed for that purpose!!!"

So you go back and remind them about aspirin, penicillin, viagra, anti depressants etc etc.

And then it always comes back to the idea of our weight having a moral value.

@itwasnevermine agreed!

The language around it is so emotive - "pumping toxic crap into your veins" etc etc, very weird. I agree with PPs that people who have never struggled with their weight feel superior to those who do, and can't bear the idea of losing that.

It's funny, it has a direct parallel with all those awful threads complaining about SEND children and suggesting the real reason disabled children can't always behave like non-disabled children is lazy parenting. People do get terribly invested in having people to look down on and to assume their 'superiority' is a result of their greater virtue.

As any parent with a SEND child will tell you, it's actually a lottery. Much as for relationships to food and weight.

As any parent with a SEND child will tell you, it's actually a lottery. Much as for relationships to food and weight.

I think this can be scary. If it's a lottery, then you've not 'earned' your advantage and so it can be taken away without reason. I am not sure many people are able to look that in the eye.

ie. If I haven't earned my advantage then they don't deserve their disadvantage and so it can happen to anyone.

It’s not even comparable. Thalidomide was the event that led to our very, very stringent criteria in clinical trials today. It’s a different world now and hopefully there will never be another Thalidomide precisely because of our strict regulations.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Since starting this medication, I am desperate to climb into the head of someone who is slim, with a good attitude to food. I really would love to know if how I feel now towards food is the same as you have always felt. If it is I'm sorry but I have been doing it with both hands tied behind my back. It's crazy how different my thinking and decision making is towards food and yes I know I have about a year to work out, how to manage without the drug.
I cannot see that any risk from taking this medication (based on research) outweighs the risks associated with my obesity.

I was also thinking about this thread today!

I was thinking about the poster, I think I replied to them, who talked very much about feeling they have will power and discipline, the implication being they are a strong person and people who are fat are weak people

I answered to say they have a fragile ego and that is true but also that, its a fairly emotionally weak thing to have to 'get one over' or beat someone to feel good about themselves, so to my mind someone like that doesnt have amazing willpower and discipline because those are aspects of emotional strength and they're not emotionally strong people.

However I do think that people that can admit to themselves some of the things that some posters have admitted on here about feeling in competition with fat people or more specifically 'other women', will perhaps lead to them reflecting about why there is a need for that within them and maybe have less of a feeling of that overall

They are little people with fixed mindsets, who have a zero sum game view of the world. In order for them to succeed, others must suffer. This is a very old fashioned and backward view of the world.

The most successful people (not just monetarily but on other metrics such as contentment, happiness, relationships) have a growth mindset and look for win-win solutions for all, collaboration and compromise .

As a scientist I’d need to see empirical based and peer reviewed research, could you direct me to that please?

Seriously? As a scientist you will have full access to journals that will give you that information better than an Internet search. I’d suggest starting with the International Journal of Obesity. www.nature.com/ijo/

@Silverbook so "as a scientist" make use of all your journals 🤦🏼‍♀️ why are you so bothered

I always a a bit suspicious of the recent trend on mn to demand peer reviewed research. If feels a bit PA. Even more so from a scientist, because it seems to me you are likely to have far more access, subscriptions and experience searching for it than the average person.

BUT assuming you are genuine, I have already quoted L Aronne. A simple pubmed search for him will lead you to some of his research, which will in turn lead you to other research he has quoted or research that has quoted him...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=%22Aronne%20L%22%5BAuthor%5D&page=2

If you'd prefer to hear him talk: https://zoe.com/learn/obesity-with-dr-louis-j-aronne

I also understand there is a peer reviewed journal ("Obesity") you may want to subscribe to, if you're that interested?

This has led me down a rabbit hole!

e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41576-021-00414-z

@Silverbook
Are you really disputing that hormones and genetics affect metabolism and weight gain? What sort of science do you do?

It's funny because it's never the same for other things.

@Silverbook I just typed into Google "hormonal weight gain scientific articles" and there are absolutely loads. I'm sure as a scientist you will be able to find them too, particularly those that are empirical and peer reviewed.