Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

Exactly. You’d think it would be commendable to pay out of your own pocket to improve your health.

This is an excellent post and the medical world is beginning to take notice of metabology and things like negative feedback and how the body adjusts its BMR to a set point.

People also seem to think that being on MJ or whatever means you can eat a Dominoes pizza and 10 ice creams a day and lose weight. It works by putting you in calorie deficit without having to spend months feeling hungry and ratty all the time. Obese people who have struggled with weight all their lives often have a lot more willpower than naturally slim people who don't struggle with weight. Not all obese people are inactive and eating takeaways every day. But for many, battling hunger, which is a very primal thing, day in a day out for weeks and months on end is an impossible task.

I like your resilient attitude and I expect you are absolutely tight. But still felt right to call that, not OK.

@ItsAlrightDarling but we're fat, so we must suffer 🙄

Even though I lost four stone naturally and decided it was too slow/sporadic for my own good and I needed to take my health into my hands now, instead of giving it a long time

Losing weight is fucking hard.

Long term changes are extraordinarily difficult to implement, hence why most diets fail.

I'd rather take a medication than have surgery to change my body forever.

But us fatties are bad if we stay as we are and bad if we try to change. Lol why is that fat person having a burger with a diet coke. Lol fat person in the gym! Lol why bother eating a salad, you're already fat. Lol eating a chocolate bar, that's why you're fat!

We literally can't win.

Why is it ridiculous? All drugs have possible side effects thst could be harmful or deadly to the wrong person.

I still think for people who need them they're great and the risks balance with the benefit, but this is the part that freaks me out the most.

Exactly. They don't care about it. They just want to see obese people suffer and fail so that they can keep passing moral judgements on them. 'You'll gain it all back' is like saying "What's the point? Don't find another way to lose weight, just keep struggling and I'll keep telling you how to lose weight".

It's like telling someone with depression not to take AD medication because if they come off it, they'll become depressed again. Just do it 'naturally'. In other words, what's the point?

This is it!!!!

I got laughed at when I started going to the gym when I was 26 stone, so I stopped and no doubt my friends and family thought "yeah that's about right", then I stopped eating and lost weight and I was "doing it for attention", so I ate healthy and everyone decided it was a show for work!

You literally cannot win.

It's not a listed side effect of Mounjaro, which is being generally pushed ahead of Ozempic/Wegovy.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

I’m neutral on weightloss jabs, but seriously, it’s pretty obvious that being able to keep up ‘eating less and exercising more’ is close to impossible for some people. It’s hardly breaking news. Very few people want to be overweight and haven’t tried multiple times.

The fact that the drugs work by removing that feeling of ‘hunger’ illustrates that some people struggle with that in a way that others don’t. Just because not all people have that issue doesn’t mean it’s impossible to understand those who do.

Was scrolling through mentally clapping a lot of the responses and saw this one - hit the nail on the head!

If I don't see "it's toxic and people get cancer" I see "people are lying to get prescriptions" or "I'm doing it the hard way".

Such uneducated nonsense.

I’m quite shocked actually. I know this place can be…robust. But bloody Nora.

I don’t know anyone (or at least no-one I know has told me) who uses these treatments. So those of you who do, or thought about it but don’t please crack on I’m interested.

It still slows gastric emptying, obesity can as well both though, so again, if used by people who need it then it's not bad necessarily, just the one thing that for me personally would put me off if I was needed to use it.

What are the side effects. And is the weight loss easy to maintain or do you need to keep taking the drug

From a quick google, seems not to show a percentage, just that its very rare, its a risk and you weigh that up with the likely benefits.

The therapy is to stop taking the drug. There is a current lawsuit going on.where the comment about the woman still having ongoing problems after stopping th emedication is met with 'surprise'. Read into that what you will.

Again, no one seems concerned about my poor OH and the risk of this for him?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10874596/

@peonym

Honestly I don't think people realise that however badly they think about fat people, we think things ten times worse.

Since I started taking MJ my life has literally changed. I'm happier, my skin is better, my periods are better and more manageable. For the first time in god knows how long I'm not depressed. It's worth it.

I’ve said it before but I think a large part of the issue is that (some, not all) slim people have a competitive advantage over fat people. So if fat people lose weight, they’re losing that perceived competitive advantage.
There was a very honest poster on a similar thread to this who said that she doesn’t like the idea of the jabs because she’s not attractive, but always had her slimness as an advantage over fat people. She didn’t want that to disappear.

I honestly think some people want others to stay obese so they can feel better about themselves for being slimmer and pretend it's all because they're better/have more willpower as opposed to simply having won the genetic lottery. Obese people are a convenient boogeyman for those who like hand wringing about the state of the NHS, cost to the taxpayer, etc.

They should be directing their ire at the food industry and the government that does only token things to regulate it, and a NHS that is so bloated with admin and so behind the times it can't function properly. Wasting its time on DEI bollocks while struggling families wait 18 months for CAMHS. I couldn't stand it any more.

By the way, many ultra processed foods have undergone much less rigorous testing than Ozempic and the like. And nobody is up in arms about the crap the industry is allowed to feed people, and the unknown health implications of that further down the road. But no, it's the jabs that are bad...

@CrazyGoatLady @ItsAlrightDarling you've both hit the nail on the head. The injections show it's not just willpower but biological reasons that lead to obesity and people have lost the advantage they had

I also don’t understand the ‘you’ll just regain all the weight when you stop’ argument. The majority of people who lose weight by any dieting method regain the weight. Does that mean we should all just stop bothering to try? I guess that’s the ideal really, because then they can continue to judge us for being fat.

Years ago I was given metformin for PCOS. I loved the fact that I got some weight off while I was on it, but I had the most awful awful gastro problems on it, so had to come off.

such is life, some things suit some people, some dont

Medications carry a risk, everything carries a risk.

People need to weigh up the risk of being morbidly obese to the risk of a severe side effect (which by all accounts is negated when you stop the meds) of the medication.

The most common cause of gastroparesis is actually type 2 diabetes, which many people on these drugs will probably have given that they were first and foremost diabetes medication. That makes it hard to quantify actual risk. It wasn't noted in clinical trials and isn't listed as a side effect of MJ.

I truly don't get this one because it's not like anyone else has paid for it? I'm paying £160 a month for the medicine, if I stay on it for two years, spend £3,840 on medicine just to put all the weight back on, that's my own waste of money