Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

I thought as much!

He'll be ok then.

Nothing to see here, move along

I'm not the one posting the way you did to LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway?. Who do you think you are?

This is a public chatboard and posts aren't private. Post like a twat and you'll get called on it.

I am diabetic and overweight, and my doctor advised against it. Of course he was taking my individual medical history into account.

I would presume because the potential side effects and risk of long term use are far outweighed by his medical need for it and serious health risk if he didn't have access. When there is not immediate and significant health risk then the barrier is expected to be higher - (not saying there isn't associated risks with obesity).

I think what isn't discussed much is what happens when you come off? Of course it makes the whole weight loss journey less daunting and will be a fix for some people who just needed that bit of help. But it doesn't change habits or address trauma which may lead to eating issues, it just puts you off food (from what I understand) so theoretically for many people they would very easily return to obesity. You would have to be on it for life and at some point will fall off the NHS criteria and pay yourself, which is hundreds per month?

Not a reason not to be truthful about using them. And if they are working for some people - don't understand the judgement. Some people find it easier to lose weight than others - not really groundbreaking knowledge in 2024

But you can’t get a lot of those via an online pharmacy!

What do you mean? It's mentioned a hell of a lot everywhere.

I wore a size 14 at my highest weight and was obese according to BMI. I had a BMI of 30.1 when I started using Mounjaro and was pre-diabetic. I can't imagine someone in a size 12 would have been in the obese category, but possibly overweight (again according to BMI which is rather a blunt instrument). You can legit get it if your BMI is between 25-30 if you have weight related health issues. I'm now a size 12 and still in the "overweight" range.

I get that people do abuse the system and lie to get it, but I also think we probably have some cognitive dissonance going on - because so many more people are living with severe obesity and in significantly larger bodies, we probably now think a size 12-14 is much slimmer than it would have been considered 20 years ago.

The thing about cost is a bit of a red herring. Once it rolls off patent and generic versions are made it’ll be pretty cheap- easily affordable for the NHS, so longer term it could be as widely used as blood pressure meds or beta blockers.

It is actually as you still need to put in the hard graft on the jabs.

I don't know how to turn off the endless chatter about Ozempic and the like. I can't believe there's a half switched on person in the land who doesn't know how amazing it is! I wish it would all go away.

They can have some horrible side effects, one being gastroparesis, meaning you might possibly never be able to eat solid food again. Also, as soon as you stop injecting, your hormones return to normal and so does your desire for food.

I don't think it's worth it unless you have uncontrolled diabetes and obesity.

Please stop being so hostile. You need to calm down and take a walk or something if this thread or my posts bother you so much. You can ignore me. You've attached a tone to my posts that i never had, accusing and projecting all sorts onto me. I'll say you're being ridiculously rude so please stop responding to me and stop tone policing people on threads.

Calling me a twat says more about you. You're no saint. Please stop derailing the thread.

I think it's the general issue of dealing with lifestyle issues with medication. It feels like a quick and risky solution for something that should be prevented not cured.

I hope my kids don't end up overweight and unhealthy. I look at people year after year on holiday and we're definitely getting fatter, myself included. I find it genuinely shocking and confusing and hope jabs aren't the only solution in future decades.

I don't have strong feelings either way about them. I do think good for you that you've found something which makes you happy.

But I also think....I am sick of weight loss injection threads 😂. There's a board for them which I've hidden, but they get discussed so very much on here. NOBODY is keeping quiet about them based on MN

Its not a gotcha at all

The hypocrisy of slagging off peoples decision to go on these medications, whether by prescripton or private prescription for being obese and acting all faux concerned is what the issue is

Diabetes type 2 are often overweight or are more likely to have been at diagnosis, same as my OH, went up to 16 stone at one point apparently

But has been on medication for around 30 years now for diabetes, including (and still is) metformin, now on the semaglutide drugs, had another before that, has been on them for decades

The side effects are the same for him as for someone without diabetes, he personally gets terrible digestion issues, I also have to suffer this!

I had the jabs for a short amount of time but didnt like the needle aspect, so didnt use them for more than a few months. I had no side effects

If the side effects outweigh the benefits then no one is going to stay on them realistically, but morbid obesity is a huge risk to health, its a death sentence, the same way untreated diabetes can be.

And for those wondering, well he gets monitored twice a year, thats all, sees how the bloods are going, thats it. No one is botherered or asking about his dodgy stomach, becuase its just something that needs to be tolerated for him.

But above all else, no one is mithering and wringing their hands about how concerned they are for him, what about the side effects blah blah blah.

But if you're fat, suddenly they're really dangerous drugs.

Yes, thank you this^^

I know far more about weight loss jabs than I ever need or want to. Please don't encourage people to talk about it even more 😩

Can I ask why he advised against it?

An 'easy' fix does appeal. But I'd be anxious about the sustainability and side effects. I'm a similar height and weight to OP. I started intermittent fasting at the same time OP started taking the drug. I've lost a stone so far, so it's slow, but it's going in the right direction, and feels sustainable, healthy, and suits my body and lifestyle.

Speaking from the point of view of someone who was bigger and lost the weight and a discussion I had with two friends who have also struggled with their weight (one still is)
All three of us have psychological triggers to eating - stress, boredom, sadness, trauma, comfort, willpower (in terms of 'it's there, I want it') I have lurked weight loss threads and forums for years and years. And in all that time, 95% of people will say they eat because of psychological triggers, included within that people who just love sugar and junk food and need to wean themselves off. I have a lot of empathy for people with 'food noise where they are just relentlessly hungry, and im genuinely pleased that there is something that can help those people. But I almost never see people on injection threads list 'therapy/cbt/etc to tackle triggers' as something they have done to try and lose weight. And I'm worried that people are Interpreting psychologically triggered overeating or binging behaviours as genuine relentless hunger, without realising - which means those triggers are still there. Where does that behaviour go? What happens if someone has to come off the injections? To be 1000% clear, I am not saying what I have seen over the last 10 years of being immersed in this world is everyone's experience, and I am happy to be educated. But I do worry that people are misinterpreting their own behaviour. And no, for the love of God, I am not suggesting overweight people are stupid - I am saying that we, as human beings, struggle to evaluate ourselves psychologically due to lack of knowledge or awareness or 6 million other reasons. I just... maybe other people have a totally different experience?

Probably are

I know a lot of people misusing cocodomol.

People who keep their weight loss jabs a "secret" but after a lifetime of overweight have suddenly dropped stones are fooling no one.

I’m not trying to fool anyone. Just don’t want to talk to judgemental twats about it. They can say what they want behind my back.

The number of judgy responses on here underlines why. There by the grace of god and all that. I was a lifelong size 8-10 until chemo and hormone treatment. Now an 18. I’ve finished my treatment but the weight hasn’t shifted (along with the facial hair). Mounjaro is my next stop tbh. I don’t overeat, I walk almost everywhere I can. My metabolism seems to be stuck, something that my consultant acknowledges. It’s more complicated than calories in and calories expended.

That's part of my post that you've quote. I haven't used weight loss jabs, they're just not for me, I have had terrible gallstones and even though I could do with losing a bit, the thought of gallstones really puts me off.

If I put my mind to it, I can shift this stone. I know because I've shifted it several times already. Menopause isn't helping either.

I think that people who are losing weight, however they do it, should feel good about feeling better in themselves but it's very wrong to say that the jabs are not the hot topic of 2024. I doubt there's anybody who doesn't know about them by now?

Good going on your 3kg, that's just under a third of the way already!

I think people that post things like this really dont understand the long term, life long effects and danger of obesity.

It is literally killing people.