Mounjaro - Late September Starters

[ShiftAMountain]

I see so many threads for people who all started about the same time as each other and think it must be good to have people at similar stages that you can share stories with and go through it all together.

There is a Sept thread but those guys have all started already.

Anyone due to start in the second half of Sept that would be interested in a thread?

I am just waiting delivery of my first pen today but don't plan to inject until Sunday evening. I WFH so cannot work out if having the 'worst' of any side effects ruining the weekend is better/worse than having to work through them on Mon/Tue. However, I have a couple of weekend social things coming up and decided it might be easier to do them when my previous injection is starting to wear off a bit - so Sunday nights it is!

I'm humming and haaing about going up to 5 for my next month. Going to see how suppression is on Saturday which will be 2.5 weeks. It's waining now so end of week 2, day 6 and resisted massive amounts of roast dinner yesterday, so it's still working but weight loss is slower, which is not a bad thing and half a stone in two weeks is really good, I have to remind myself of this. Arrgh.

Evening of day 5 week 2 and I've just had a mini binge of crisps and chocolate - SO annoyed at myself. But a) it was less than a previous binge would have been and b) I know it's just a blip and not a restart.

Desperately need to remain good tomorrow until jab on Weds.

I did jab 3 yesterday. No side effects but not a lot of appetite suppression either. Pretty hungry. Keen to get on with the 5mg and think I’ll crack on with that next week

Bloody hell. Has anyone seen that other thread about the 'miracle of weight loss jabs'?

I think I will have to hide it. It's too distressing to read all the hate they have for us for using this medication or just for being fat to start with.

Yes, I read that and thought “… and the horse you rode in on, you judgemental dicks”

Yes and I attempted to put out a few fires but honestly it just drove me demented. Some people are pathetic!

Massive leap @peonym but did that thread's arrival and your binge line up? I only mention it because it upset me to read it and I had a thought that it was the kind of upset food used to 'help' with in the past.

Thanks @WeeklyJab - your response made me smile.

I've hidden that thread now. I don't need that shit in my head!

The whole “just don’t get fat” thing really makes me boggle. I was a fat child, disordered eating was systematically instilled throughout my childhood. By the time I was responsible for my own eating decisions the damage was well and truly done.

Anyway. Screw those guys.

It’s such a bizarre thread - the number of people who seem to ascribe some kind of moral superiority to “doing it the hard way” is just so weird. I think it comes from a place of misunderstanding - they think we’re all here gorging on cakes while the jab keeps us thin, not realising that the jab just doesn’t work like that.

I can understand people not wanting to take a medicine themselves, but to pour this nonsensical faux concern onto others is utterly ridiculous. If people can lose significant weight through diet and exercise, fab. You do you. But we’ve all tried, and now this is working for us.

And the “oh the weight will go back on”, well, DUH, that’s happened about 3 times over my life WITHOUT the jab - I lose it, and then it creeps back on.

Honestly people who would judge another person because they have made a careful decision to put their health first, through a tested medical product, aren’t worth anything. They can honestly go fuck themselves.

It absolutely didn't help @ShiftAMountain

Just a reminder that these threads (like this one) are such a helpful positive influence. Apparently it's not just food noise we need to cut out - I wonder if there's an injection for shutting up idiots!

I posted a bit on it but am bowing out. There are some vile posters on there and I shall just enjoy imagining how unhappy they are with their lives that they feel the need to be so mean. That vitriol doesn’t come from being in a good place

@peonym I know it’s hard because in the past I’ve let a small binge run into thoughts of “well I’ve fucked it so I may as well REALLY fuck it” before - but if you can, repeat to yourself “even thin people eat crisps and chocolate” and focus as much as you can on how you feel (maybe even write it down?) physically and mentally which will probably keep you on track if you feel like eating more.

I ate some cake earlier and had a pounding headache all afternoon which I’m sure was caused by the sugar - I also felt like my stomach was so bloated and I’ve been a bit constipated this morning. One half of a slice of cake! But in a way it’s good because I’ll try to remember this next time. I didn’t even want it, I was only eating it out of politeness. I mean how do you say no when a sweet 14 year old says “I saved a slice for you, I hope you like it” ☺️

So not been the best week this week (3). Nor felt the effects as much. Had a pub lunch yesterday and a few pints. Well I was up half the night so guess something is going on.
First time on lager so might avoid that now! Luckily no symptoms in day but a useful reminder.
Think might try 3.75g on next pen first.

You're right @Ozgirl75 ! A little does not set us backwards. And I also felt fuller after a smaller treat, which is something. Thanks for the perspective!

I skimmed the thread but only the first couple of pages - I was surprised at the amount of support from non-takers TBH!
They'll always be people who think fat people deserve to be fat because they are lazy. They obviously have no idea what it's like and I'm glad more research is happening to find out what causes obesity.

Did anyone see that chart in The Times last week, showing that the USA has, for the first time, seen a reduction in the % of Americans who are obese? 'The tide is turning'

I don't subscribe so didn't read the article, but can only imagine it's down to weight loss drugs being more widely available now (even if just for diabetics, not sure on the timeframe used in the data, it might be before it was widely available to non-diabetics)

More info.

1 in 8 US adults have or are taking a GLP-1 medication.
Rate of obesity reduction highest in college educated people, who are also the highest users (presume cost/insurance related?)
In Denmark (home of Wegovy and Ozempic) 4% of adults are taking the medication and their obesity rates are starting to fall.
Lots of research ongoing to see if these drugs can help substance abuse patients stop using drugs.

I feel kind of sorry for the people on the other thread who are so opinionated about something that doesn’t even concern them. It’s weird that they want people to stay overweight - I can only assume it’s because they associate being thin with being morally superior, but we all know that morals don’t come into it. Being overweight is really complex and if this helps us, then the people who don’t like it can frankly, bugger off with their misinformed opinions.

I did see that headline @Cocoaone - like you I cannot read the article but I really do think/hope that these new drugs are going to make a real difference to obesity levels. Not just these versions, there are newer versions being researched now with even better results and even less side effects. It's opened up such a scientitfic possibility.

I'm about halfway through a podcast episode I saw recommended (The Drive, episode 314 "Rethinking nutrition science: the evolving landscape of obesity treatmetn, GLP-1 agonists, protein and the need for higher research standards).

David Allison (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_B._Allison) was talking about how we've been thinking about obesity as a purely lifestyle thing and so trying to use public health policies to fix it. Not a single public health initiative has ever made any significant different to obesity levels. The best they have ever managed to to is 'tweak at the edges'. That point really stood out to me. Public health iniatives have changed smoking and drink driving practices. They have failed totally with obesity. His point was that we still need public health initatives (because obesity causes are complex) but in conjuction with pharmalogical solutions.

I've still got over half of the 2-hour podcast to listen to - but it's very interesting for those that enjoy that sort of thing.

I'm currently listening to that too @ShiftAMountain - it's really interesting!

I think the same @Ozgirl75 - some slim people enjoy the benefits of being slim and don't want to see others entering that space...

You fought a good fight a few times!

It's really sad that so many people care so much. I completely get people put off by costs or side effects but 80% of the complaints on that thread seemingly were people annoyed they felt they had to do it "the hard way". Embarrassing really.

That sounds very interesting @ShiftAMountain. Glad the tides are changing 🙏🏻

Do you know, the only thing I feel sad about with mounjaro is that it isn’t even more widely available. It risks being another barrier to lower income people getting healthy, who are already more likely to smoke more and drink more. That seems really unfair.

What Mounjaro has taught me is that I was very close to being able to lose weight the generally acceptable way but my mental exhaustion due to trauma meant I just didn’t have the staying power to do it. I can with mounjaro though.

I also think that people don’t understand that for most people it doesn’t make them lose loads of weight every week. It is actually the same kind of weight loss you’d have if you were able to do it under your own steam.

Id probably be considered by some to be a slow loser but Im doing exactly what the makers have said I should be doing weight loss wise and exactly what my personal trainer has always suggested to me was a good weight loss - 1 to 2 pounds weekly.

Oh and I do laugh at the comments regarding spend the money on the gym instead 🤣. For last two years I’ve been paying 50 pounds a session for PT and my mounjaro costs me 300 pounds per month because of where I live. So about 800 pounds per month all in. The gym did great for my overall fitness but it just couldn’t work its magic on my traimatised/exhausted mental health

Im very happy and Mounjaro is the best thing I’ve done for myself this year.

some slim people enjoy the benefits of being slim and don't want to see others entering that space...

also many slim people have ED or borderline ones. I had many a friend in the past that threw up their meals or starved themselves completely. Even now at 45 I have friends who are obsessed with calories - they never really enjoy anything as it’s all such complex maths as to what goes in and out. I guess they’re hurting too and don’t like the idea that others no longer are.

I know, they are planning on a NHS funded roll out though, but it is going to take 12 years. It should help people in the long run though.