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Horse riding dividing family

252 replies

Fatmamslim · 29/05/2023 21:51

Not sure I know what I'm asking here..

But how do you cope if you have two children, one horse mad (13) and the other hates it?

We own a pony. Child is now competing and wants to spend every second of her life at the yard.

Younger sibling hates it. (8)

Weekends are spent divided as a family as I am at yard and dad is with younger child.

I work an intense job with unsociable hours which is the only reason we can afford said pony DH feels he never see's me and younger child starting to become resentful and says things like "great so another day I don't see you because of x's hobby" as we head out for yet more jobs/yard work/day of competing whatever.

I will admit I'm struggling with the balance. Daily I think about selling him and putting her back in a riding school but once a week but then I watch the joy in her face as she goes clear or gallops across the fields and know it would destroy her now. It is her life.

I feel pulled in all directions and I don't know how to fix it.

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JessandJupiter · 30/05/2023 21:49

Whinge · 30/05/2023 21:37

Not all siblings are neglected and resentful

But the OPs son is one of the children who is resentful of the situation, and the relationship with his mum is neglected in favour of his sister's hobby. It would be lovely to think the OP will give just as much support, attention and resources to her DS, but it's clear OP prefers horses / riding and is unlikely to show her DS anywhere near the same level of interest, as she's just not interested in his hobbies. Sad

I doubt the op would have taken the trouble to post and expose herself to implied criticism like yours if she didn’t care deeply about her other child!

Also, as a human being, she is allowed to have natural preferences. That in itself is not wrong. Loads of parents pass on their enthusiasms to their children.

The problem in this situation is that the dh is not able to shoulder a similar level of responsibility as the op, and that makes it much more difficult for her to swap with him as much as she would like.

Fatmamslim · 30/05/2023 23:36

Wow, this escalated quickly! It's been a very busy day (not horse related before anyone flames me further!)

I'd forgotten how posting here can sprial so quickly when posters convince themselves of "truths"

Honestly the way you speak about my relationship with my son and husband is so breathtakingly inaccurate it was really hard not to get upset at the implication that I am a shit mother who prefers one child over the other. Ironically I actually find dd really bloody difficult right now (hello hormones) and would definitely preference time with my son if I actually had to chose between them 🤣 although no, his diagnosis process is not easy.

I should have worded my OP better, although I posted in tackroom, not AIBU for a reason because I thought other horsey folk would pick up on the usual stuff- like the talk of cost etc.

I have thought about not replying and just thanking those who gave really helpful constructive and practical feedback without unnecessary sharp jabs- thank you, you've been so helpful.

But for the sake of my poor husband, I'll just try and straighten out a few facts.

My son and I share a special bond. I won't say why because at this point it would be incredibly outing, but he is my world and I am so very grateful for him.

His hobbies are his own and do not have to meet any standards to be deemed worthy. They are fully indulged to the same extent as his sisters within the context of what his hobbies are. My suggestion of other hobbies he hadn't taken to was purely to draw comparison to hobbies that can be just as time consuming and competitive- football season is insane from what I see of cousins.

DH is hands on, dedicated and he and my son are very close too. Until very recently, son naturally gravitated towards him which is likely how the horse situ with dd and my being with her predominantly tipped balance before any of us realised, recently he has had a big and sudden shift.

DH is allowed to express his wishes for us to have more family time. We have good, respectful communication and i want to listen.

Can we normalise the fact that horse riding is not exclusive to those with endless bags of money? That there are very many "normal" families like us that do this? Yes. We have to work to fund it. Same as other aspects of our comfortable life. We are privileged in the sense that it doesn't cause us financial strain but I won't pretend that it's not alot of expense. Again my poorly worded post was simply trying to illustrate that we don't deny DS anything.

Yard is a DIY livery yard. An option is to move to full livery elsewhere and cut back on the time stuck that is chores. But I feel strongly that DD shouldn't just get to do the fun stuff, and I like being hands on too- seen too many owners fall out the loop of whats going on with their own horse being so hands off. I won't go back to a riding school / working livery environment (as a livery) I really disliked it. Maybe we got unlucky.

No it isn't acceptable nor safe to dump and run, even when we were at the riding school as a livery insurance only covered under 16 or under 13 if they were volunteering that day if I recall rightly (and therefore being somewhat supervised by staff)

Yes I probably am controlling and hellicopter-ish to an extent. DH cracks on when required but he worries about getting it wrong and generally finds himself uncomfortable in the yard environment. As with anything though this is not insurmountable with time and practice.

There's been alot of assumptions about what my son would or would not enjoy. It was somewhat comical reading. Can confirm he absolutely hated lego club, and he didn't enjoy being taught in art classes, we tried a few for a better more relaxed fit but he didn't like it. He's a fair weather kid generally but loves a kick about with his dad, didn't like group football clubs, happiest running around with his dad and our big labs.

He likes to spray nets, have a bouncy trot on our saint pony, bath the big horses on the yard when invited to do so and he often comes on hacks on his bike and we stop at the little lady who sells cakes outside her house every Sunday which he enjoys. But then some days he finds the noise, smell and the dirt of the yard unbearable or his fidgey-yness kicks in and I need eyes in the back of my head to keep everyone safe. Some days he'll just point blank refuse to leave the car..sometimes he'll watch the incar entertainment and chill and enjoy it. Some sunny evenings he'll bound out excited to have a walk about on pony. You just don't know what you're getting some days.

He is yes a big animal fan. It seemed to be missed that I did say he also has his own pet which requires its own specialist care, which he loves dearly and spends time each day caring for.

Up until very recently we had a sharer (no financial contribution as we don't require it, we wanted to help the little girl progress and it allowed me some yard free days with both kids, and I'd encourage dd to see her friends socially etc instead. Sharer moved away and after that our pony finally decided they didn't mind loading after all, dd confidence shot up and instructor said she was ready to compete, and now she's got the bug.

So for a long time, there was actually a good balance. Shifts occured- ds suddenly preferencing me, sharer leaving, dd riding stepping up etc that's allowed this to run away from me in terms of division of time. I can see that we need to reevaluate and shift back towards a riding schedule that ring fences family time. I will consider how to make this work. Thank you.

I think that's probably enough for now. To those who got heavily invested in painting a picture of my life, determined to paint me as an uninterested mother, know this. I came from nothing. I had absolutely nothing. I was raised in foster care and had not a single human in the world to show me how. My career was hard fought, and I bloody love it. I also am incredibly proud of what it provides for my family. Everything I do, is for them. My therapist tells me that I give too much, that I overstretch myself because I am determined to do everything for families happiness to a fault. I am working on this. But I couldn't be any less selfish in this scenario if I tried and I am purely trying to do my best. That's why I came here. I recognised the balance was out and I wanted to hear from other families.

If your intention was to make a stranger on the net cry, congrats. You've managed it.

Thank you again to those who helped. I can see we just need to backtrack a little to when we had a better balance.

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PatchworkDonkey · 30/05/2023 23:57

XelaM · 30/05/2023 21:23

That's a very sad way of looking at things. Although I'm sure it's mostly true (especially in horse riding 😬) there have been plenty of athletes in other sports who made it to the very top coming from sometimes extreme poverty. I know many such examples in figure skating for example (another extremely expensive sport).

And for each rags-to-riches one who made it there'll be 20 equally as good who didn't get the opportunity to try, plus 20 more decidedly average ones who got to have a go because of their well off family circumstances. It's life, sad but true.

XelaM · 31/05/2023 00:24

OP - I completely agree that MN can be totally mental in inventing stories about the thread-posters out of absolute thin air. You sound like an amazing parent, but I would really advise you to look at this part of your post again and reconsider:

*Yard is a DIY livery yard. An option is to move to full livery elsewhere and cut back on the time stuck that is chores. But I feel strongly that DD shouldn't just get to do the fun stuff, and I like being hands on too- seen too many owners fall out the loop of whats going on with their own horse being so hands off. I won't go back to a riding school / working livery environment (as a livery) I really disliked it. Maybe we got unlucky.

No it isn't acceptable nor safe to dump and run, even when we were at the riding school as a livery insurance only covered under 16 or under 13 if they were volunteering that day if I recall rightly (and therefore being somewhat supervised by staff)*

Keeping a pony at a child-friendly yard does not mean putting her in working livery! But DIY livery at an adult-only yard is so much less fun and less suitable for a child's first pony (especially with a non-horsey family) than riding and doing yard jobs with their friends. And competing is so much more fun when you can share a lorry with your mates and camp out for overnight shows.

If she were in Pony Club, you would be leaving her anyway for at least 2 hours whilst the riding/stable management is going on. Also, keeping a pony of full or 5/2 livery doesn't mean that you lose touch with what is going on with your pony. 🤷‍♀️My daughter still goes to the yard every day. You just don't need to go twice a day. Also it's not "dump and run". It's allowing your kid to be independent. Kids-friendly yards always have very strict adults very quick to pull any teenagers up on any stupid behaviour and help/advise.

You're making your life so much harder by choosing a DIY livery yard not geared towards kids. The best part of being a horse-mad teen is to make other horse-mad mates.

XelaM · 31/05/2023 00:28

I don't know what level your daughter is competing at, but if it's unaffiliated and she qualifies for the Sunshine Tour for example - it's so much harder to go on your own to this type of stay-away shows than with a yard tht has many kids going every year.

louderthan · 31/05/2023 00:29

XelaM · 31/05/2023 00:24

OP - I completely agree that MN can be totally mental in inventing stories about the thread-posters out of absolute thin air. You sound like an amazing parent, but I would really advise you to look at this part of your post again and reconsider:

*Yard is a DIY livery yard. An option is to move to full livery elsewhere and cut back on the time stuck that is chores. But I feel strongly that DD shouldn't just get to do the fun stuff, and I like being hands on too- seen too many owners fall out the loop of whats going on with their own horse being so hands off. I won't go back to a riding school / working livery environment (as a livery) I really disliked it. Maybe we got unlucky.

No it isn't acceptable nor safe to dump and run, even when we were at the riding school as a livery insurance only covered under 16 or under 13 if they were volunteering that day if I recall rightly (and therefore being somewhat supervised by staff)*

Keeping a pony at a child-friendly yard does not mean putting her in working livery! But DIY livery at an adult-only yard is so much less fun and less suitable for a child's first pony (especially with a non-horsey family) than riding and doing yard jobs with their friends. And competing is so much more fun when you can share a lorry with your mates and camp out for overnight shows.

If she were in Pony Club, you would be leaving her anyway for at least 2 hours whilst the riding/stable management is going on. Also, keeping a pony of full or 5/2 livery doesn't mean that you lose touch with what is going on with your pony. 🤷‍♀️My daughter still goes to the yard every day. You just don't need to go twice a day. Also it's not "dump and run". It's allowing your kid to be independent. Kids-friendly yards always have very strict adults very quick to pull any teenagers up on any stupid behaviour and help/advise.

You're making your life so much harder by choosing a DIY livery yard not geared towards kids. The best part of being a horse-mad teen is to make other horse-mad mates.

This is a really good post.

twistyizzy · 31/05/2023 07:27

Serious question: where are these mythical kid friendly yards where under 16s can be left unsupervised but with a strict adult around to control teenage behaviour? Because there are none like that around me.
You get either the approved/properly insured yards where no children under the age of 16 are allowed on the yard unsupervised OR you have the unlicensed DIY places where I wouldn't put my dog, let alone my horse.
So how/where do you find these magical yards??
DD is at an approved PC centre yard and you most certainly can't just drop + run unless it is a proper PC day which only happens once or twice during school holidays + PC camp. Outside of PC days the rule reverts back to no under 16s without adult supervision.

XelaM · 31/05/2023 07:40

twistyizzy · 31/05/2023 07:27

Serious question: where are these mythical kid friendly yards where under 16s can be left unsupervised but with a strict adult around to control teenage behaviour? Because there are none like that around me.
You get either the approved/properly insured yards where no children under the age of 16 are allowed on the yard unsupervised OR you have the unlicensed DIY places where I wouldn't put my dog, let alone my horse.
So how/where do you find these magical yards??
DD is at an approved PC centre yard and you most certainly can't just drop + run unless it is a proper PC day which only happens once or twice during school holidays + PC camp. Outside of PC days the rule reverts back to no under 16s without adult supervision.

If you're anywhere near North London I know three at least.

Fatmamslim · 31/05/2023 07:41

XelaM · 31/05/2023 00:28

I don't know what level your daughter is competing at, but if it's unaffiliated and she qualifies for the Sunshine Tour for example - it's so much harder to go on your own to this type of stay-away shows than with a yard tht has many kids going every year.

Yes this is the level she's at- she's holding three qualifiers for sunshine at present.

We are part of PC, there are two other children at the yard she hacks out with (older than her though so they are left there) and her PC mates live nearby so we organise shows etc together, very rarely do we go alone.

I know on paper our yard sounds wrong for us, but in so many ways it's been our saviour. The people are so kind and really took me under their wing. I learnt so much and although I would consider us inexperienced owners as its only been 4 years, I feel mostly confident in ownership now because of them. They are so willing to help and its a beautiful, quiet yard which ironically is the better fit for my son in that respect. It feels so wrong to leave. They also do provide assistance, midweek they turn out for me so we do jobs and ride on an evening generally speaking, weekends and bh is all on us and sometimes it can be as much as 3 times a day if needs must, shows etc which is tough but when a sharer had responsibility for one day that helped.

Issue being that if I can't really commit to a sharer on set days now, unaff is generally always a Sunday, I don't want her jumped the day before and dd also part of PC and a sj academy which often does run on Saturdays. Previously pony wouldn't load so we didn't go far or very often, so this has really been a gamechanger for us (we used a specialist trainer, highly recommended, like a different pony!)

I think the answer may be 2 days non ridden midweek and no riding on Saturdays unless completely unavoidable, and if so then we counter that with no Sunday.

Right now we limit competing to two weekends pm. Is this unreasonable?

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twistyizzy · 31/05/2023 07:43

XelaM · 31/05/2023 07:40

If you're anywhere near North London I know three at least.

Nowhere near, North England!

JessandJupiter · 31/05/2023 07:53

twistyizzy · 31/05/2023 07:27

Serious question: where are these mythical kid friendly yards where under 16s can be left unsupervised but with a strict adult around to control teenage behaviour? Because there are none like that around me.
You get either the approved/properly insured yards where no children under the age of 16 are allowed on the yard unsupervised OR you have the unlicensed DIY places where I wouldn't put my dog, let alone my horse.
So how/where do you find these magical yards??
DD is at an approved PC centre yard and you most certainly can't just drop + run unless it is a proper PC day which only happens once or twice during school holidays + PC camp. Outside of PC days the rule reverts back to no under 16s without adult supervision.

Totally this^^

Things have changed in the horse world so much over the last decade or two!

twistyizzy · 31/05/2023 07:57

Fatmamslim · 31/05/2023 07:41

Yes this is the level she's at- she's holding three qualifiers for sunshine at present.

We are part of PC, there are two other children at the yard she hacks out with (older than her though so they are left there) and her PC mates live nearby so we organise shows etc together, very rarely do we go alone.

I know on paper our yard sounds wrong for us, but in so many ways it's been our saviour. The people are so kind and really took me under their wing. I learnt so much and although I would consider us inexperienced owners as its only been 4 years, I feel mostly confident in ownership now because of them. They are so willing to help and its a beautiful, quiet yard which ironically is the better fit for my son in that respect. It feels so wrong to leave. They also do provide assistance, midweek they turn out for me so we do jobs and ride on an evening generally speaking, weekends and bh is all on us and sometimes it can be as much as 3 times a day if needs must, shows etc which is tough but when a sharer had responsibility for one day that helped.

Issue being that if I can't really commit to a sharer on set days now, unaff is generally always a Sunday, I don't want her jumped the day before and dd also part of PC and a sj academy which often does run on Saturdays. Previously pony wouldn't load so we didn't go far or very often, so this has really been a gamechanger for us (we used a specialist trainer, highly recommended, like a different pony!)

I think the answer may be 2 days non ridden midweek and no riding on Saturdays unless completely unavoidable, and if so then we counter that with no Sunday.

Right now we limit competing to two weekends pm. Is this unreasonable?

Good yards are incredibly hard to find and this one actually sounds perfect for you so I would stick with it and go with your plan of 1 day riding at weekend and 2 days non-riding during the week. 2 weekends competing per month sound reasonable as no riding the day before so gives you family time the day before a show.

twistyizzy · 31/05/2023 08:02

@JessandJupiter they certainly have! 35 years ago I was working for rides at 12 yrs old unsupervised but that was before Health + Safety etc. Yards just can't do that nowadays and it is interesting that a PP said that in London they know of 3, because around us this doesn't exist at any decent yard. Maybe in London some yards are set up differently eg to help disadvantaged kids etc 🤔 so have more staff/different insurance etc and can accommodate dump + run.

XelaM · 31/05/2023 08:50

Fatmamslim · 31/05/2023 07:41

Yes this is the level she's at- she's holding three qualifiers for sunshine at present.

We are part of PC, there are two other children at the yard she hacks out with (older than her though so they are left there) and her PC mates live nearby so we organise shows etc together, very rarely do we go alone.

I know on paper our yard sounds wrong for us, but in so many ways it's been our saviour. The people are so kind and really took me under their wing. I learnt so much and although I would consider us inexperienced owners as its only been 4 years, I feel mostly confident in ownership now because of them. They are so willing to help and its a beautiful, quiet yard which ironically is the better fit for my son in that respect. It feels so wrong to leave. They also do provide assistance, midweek they turn out for me so we do jobs and ride on an evening generally speaking, weekends and bh is all on us and sometimes it can be as much as 3 times a day if needs must, shows etc which is tough but when a sharer had responsibility for one day that helped.

Issue being that if I can't really commit to a sharer on set days now, unaff is generally always a Sunday, I don't want her jumped the day before and dd also part of PC and a sj academy which often does run on Saturdays. Previously pony wouldn't load so we didn't go far or very often, so this has really been a gamechanger for us (we used a specialist trainer, highly recommended, like a different pony!)

I think the answer may be 2 days non ridden midweek and no riding on Saturdays unless completely unavoidable, and if so then we counter that with no Sunday.

Right now we limit competing to two weekends pm. Is this unreasonable?

Actually it sounds like you have it all in hand!

Just a word of warning (which you probably already know) Sunshine Tour places get booked up incredibly quickly so make sure you book your classes as soon as the booking system opens (used to be at 10am on 8 August I believe when my daughter went a few years ago - not sure what this years' date is).

Fatmamslim · 31/05/2023 09:44

XelaM · 31/05/2023 08:50

Actually it sounds like you have it all in hand!

Just a word of warning (which you probably already know) Sunshine Tour places get booked up incredibly quickly so make sure you book your classes as soon as the booking system opens (used to be at 10am on 8 August I believe when my daughter went a few years ago - not sure what this years' date is).

I've mentally prepared dd that qualifying is not a given, I've heard it's hard getting spots! The stress 😩

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JessandJupiter · 31/05/2023 11:14

Good to read your updates op although I’m very sorry you have been upset by this thread.

It seems that every thread asking for suggestions and help on Mumsnet nowadays incites horrible criticism too. I want to apologise if my implied criticism of your dh added to that. It just sounded like you were carrying a lot in terms of your high pressure job plus a lot of extra curricular stuff!

Your yard sounds absolutely perfect for you and it sounds like such a perfect fit - which is as rare as hen’s teeth nowadays - that I’d definitely hang on to your place there. It’s nice to hear about a yard which is supportive and helpful for once too!

Personally I think it’s ok to say to one dc that you need to focus on the other sibling for a limited time period - and to explain why - but always with the promise that it will be the other one’s turn in x (specific) amount of time. As long as both get similar attention, emotional support and financial provision by the time they leave home, then you will have done a good job!

No one can get alter the fact that some sports are more expensive and time consuming than others though. It’s just the way it is. So I would be sympathetic to your other child but I wouldn’t be too apologetic. You are doing the best you can.

I think a special day in the week where you focus on your other dc would be good too. So Wednesdays (or whatever) are exclusively reserved for them.

Good luck!

Fatmamslim · 31/05/2023 12:38

Thank you- you're not wrong I.E carrying alot, I really am, but DH really does pull his fair weight (probably more to some extent) I know mn is riddled with unless husbands and partners, can confirm he is pretty perfect in terms of coparenting and running the household.

I am open to understanding my own failings, but I really am trying so hard.

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BonesBrennanz · 31/05/2023 13:01

It’s not just MN that is riddled with useless other halves, it’s just in real life you have to know someone very well before they admit to it.

FedUpWithTheNHS · 31/05/2023 19:03

My therapist tells me that I give too much, that I overstretch myself because I am determined to do everything for families happiness to a fault.

That is standing out to me.
My experience from family and friends whose dc was involved in a very time intensive hobby (swimming and tennis in particular), one risk is for the parent involved to end up burnt out and exhausted.
There is a question to ask there about how time and effort you can afford to put in your dd hobby. And if it’s fair to support her being more and more involved if you know you won’t be able to support the full on thing.

Eg my dc was very keen on swimming. I also knew it would mean one am getting up at 5.00am, taking him training 6 days a week plus races at weekend. He really wanted to do that. I could never have physically sustained that. So the answer was NO.

I don’t know if the arrangements you have in mind will work fir you. But in light of you having the tendency to over give and knowing the level of involvement needed, I’d urge you to look not just at how things can work NOW but also if they would be manageable in 3 years time if your dd starts to do more and more competition and training. Would you cope, you and as a family? Do you want to support her getting there to then tell her she can’t compete?

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 31/05/2023 19:51

Could you maybe do two non-ridden days midweek then one weekend day (normally Saturday but it might swap) she can ride but it has to fit around the rest of the family, so is cancelled if there are activities planned and there is no hanging around or 3hr hacks but a quick leg stretch early morning or in the evening? Might be an easier sell to DD, and better for keeping the pony fit and ticking over.

This is normally the compromise I make, one weekend day doing something together takes priority and the horse fits around that. The other day can be as horsey as I want.

overitunderit · 01/06/2023 16:21

You're doing so well. You sound like an absolute badass of a tiger of a mum who knows where her priorities are (her two children). I often think the saying that goes something like "if you're worrying that you're getting it wrong you're probably getting a lot right" because you care enough to have some self reflection. I personally think you sound like you have a nurturing and loving relationship with all of your family which is a special thing. I don't think anyone can tell you how best to set boundaries. I think talking to your therapist might help. It sounds like part of the issue for you is feeling like you're saying "no" to DD and not giving her total support if place any limits on her hobby. But you're also allowed to consider your own wants and needs and the potential needs of others in the family (even if currently there is no real impact on them). The suggestion you made to limit riding in the week and to one day at weekends makes a lot of sense to me. DD will also be able to increase her pony time when she gets a bit older and can get herself to the yard or be on the yard on her own.

Please don't let MN a make you cry. The real people who know you think you're amazing. Those are the ones who matter.

foxlover47 · 01/06/2023 16:58

Where my 11 year old d goes they have Saturday where they stay to help which is muck picking , general yard jobs and they also help lead in lessons ... they don't even get a free ride like I used to 30 odd years ago ! Our last livery was nice but I wouldn't of been able to drop her off and leave her there , it's so hard when you own your own because they take up so much time unless you're on full livery of course.
You're doing great you encourage your child to have a hobby that you work hard to provide for , it's just balancing things and it takes time that's all.
Don't let mn upset you , you sound a great parent to me

Flixon · 02/06/2023 14:40

Our yard does not allow unattended children < 14 yo. BUT there are lots of then so often one mum will stay with the kids and supervise / be there in case of any issues, whilst the others drop and run. Each adult therefore only does one day a fortnight say .
Agree, you are at the wrong yard, look for one with more children !

Fatmamslim · 03/06/2023 12:21

Thank you all for your replies, we're sitting down this evening at dinner to discuss. Dh and I have decided what we're doing so we're going in as a united front, and then tonight we'll deliver the new schedule to the kids and allow an open floor for everyone to get everything off their chest, allow a period of consultation incase anyone raises any game changing points we haven't considered but otherwise we have decided 2 midweek days off entirely, one weekend day riding only and max 2 comps a month. DH has also decided that he wants to do something specific with ds that would also fall into that schedule nicely, and the 2 non comp days we are going to preemptively plan family time that will be visually shown on family calender to help everyone stay anchored and excited about that time together.

Thanks again x

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FedUpWithTheNHS · 03/06/2023 13:26

I Hope this goes well @Fatmamslim

It sounds like a good compromise and you can still review it later on to adjust it if you feel it needs to.