TES Community

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Where the dickens has it gone? Is it gone gone? Has it been renamed and I just can't find it?

This is tiresome, quite frankly. I imagine you know perfectly well that no one has been asked on the site to contribute money. I'll leave it there I think. I have better things to do .

Bye.

Let's get this right. Someone, on a website, may have been deleted a few days ago, because someone else on the same website thought that that someone was me. Let's imagine the dialogue:

I've been deleted. Why?
Because you are staymotivated.
Who?
You're staymotivated on Mumsnet.
Wot?
I've no time for this.

You do seem a bit worked up about something that I never said. I simply observed that to my knowledge from what you said on 24th, on this thread, you were a member and could see the posts on the site. You therefore know that no requests have been made to contribute money. As you haven't referred to your membership since I've no idea whether you're still there and might have deleted yourself since for all I know. I neither know nor care if you've been deleted and have no reason to assume you have been. I simply don't know what you're going on about and don't see how it's relevant anyway. All I wanted to know was whether you were a member and could see that no requests have been made for money. I established you'd mentioned signing up which answered my question.

Sometimes, it’s a shame this site doesn’t have ‘likes’.

@Scaramooche

Sometimes, it’s a shame this site doesn’t have ‘likes’.

Indeed.

Please use this childish attitude on another site. I completely agree with @staymotivated.

What childish attitude. Wanting ‘likes’ as a signal of agreement?

Well, I'm a member of the 'other' site (different name, so the 'spy' mentioned earlier won't be able to track me down ) and I can confirm that no-one there has been asked or required to contribute. A significant number have offered to do so, and (for a short time) it was possible to do so and some of them did.

I missed out and will happily contribute later if the opportunity arises, and several other posters have said the same. But no-one has (or, I've read, will) be asked or expected to contribute.

Hope that helps clear this up.

@weald. It’s interesting to hear from someone who’s actually visited the site.

From what I remember from a post, that has probably been deleted, someone mentioned that it would cost X amount for a larger storage facility and suggested everyone give a minimum contribution. Not asked, but it was suggested. And yes, many volunteered to do so and from what I have read, the matter has been resolved for now. If you interpret it as not being asked, that is simply a matter of semantics.

If I was hosting a Christmas party and I said, it going to cost me £1,000 am I not intimating I need/want you to contribute or that I would like you to do so? Otherwise, why would I mention it?

Anyway, back to my main point, websites costs money to run and take up a lot of free time to moderate and most trolls operate in the wee wee hours when normal people are asleep. As website expand, and more storage is needed to keep historical posts and create capacity for new ones, increased storage packages have to be bought.

A website model with hundreds of users, and no paid moderators, is going to be unsustainable in the long term. Moderators do an important job and deserve to be paid properly and deserve to have a life away from moderating and their day job.

There were some sophisticated trolling activities on the TES website. I had one guy who would 'follow' me on every post I made and I PMed him and asked, 'Are you using Python or some programme to do this?' because literally as soon as I logged in he was there, winding me up, and he answered, 'I might be using something like that,' and winked/grinned.

He has since appeared on this site and stated he does not have an account on the new website. I don't Adam and Eve it.

So paying a website insurance premium will help mitigate against the large numbers of trolling activities that may arise or do arise. Anyway, I'm glad I am no longer on a website anymore where individuals can log on, see my username and click on me to see what my activities have been and easily follow me around and annoy me.

However, cheaper website interfaces allow this, and if I hosted one, I would hate to be in a position where people could create multiple usernames via multiple IP addresses and come at me, again and again. I would go bananas keeping up with it, especially if it was done via a Python programme that can even bypass questions such as, 'Are you a robot,' and click in! Kids in primary schools are learning computer programming skills so a lot of people can do this easily. I can't. That's why it's important not to annoy people and not to behave in a way where people hold a permanent grudge against you, and if you wish to constantly do so, it's even more important to invest in paying a monthly website insurance premium with an expensive trolling and hacking deterrent software package included plus VAT.

The more users a free site has, the more expensive it is to run, the more man hours it takes up, the more trolls it attracts.

[quote Scaramooche]@weald. It’s interesting to hear from someone who’s actually visited the site.[/quote]
Who's says I haven't visited the site? Keep up. I may have or may not have. It's for me to know and for you and others never to work out.

Annoying isn't it?

Your memory is faulty.

I’ve looked. You can’t visit the site without registering.
If you’ve ‘visited’ the site then you must have registered and been a member. So you could check for yourself, rather than relying on what ‘somebody said’.

You may, of course, have subsequently, deleted yourself.

Should have added staymotivated
either
You’re still a member or
You’ve been deleted by someone or
You’ve deleted yourself.

which I think was the point another poster made.
(btw. it’s not relevant to me which- I’m off to look at the book thread)

Isn't this all getting rather petty? Those who are happy here, stay here, those who like the staffroom board site, use that, or needabreak's site when/if it is up and running or even start your own. But why carry on pulling each other and each other's preferences to pieces? There's no need for it. If you are happy with the terms and conditions of any site and how it's run, fine. If not, move on.

Individuals can't help but to come on this thread and gloat about how wonderful it is on another site and it irks some that some of us, don't want to be on the site that can not be named and that some of us, may have had an account on the site and decided not to use it knowing how badly others had been treated. Or never had one at all.

The discussion was about the idea of teachers paying for a teachers' website, which NAB initiated and my views is that most teachers prefer to have free websites and don't mind having it moderated by people who are giving up a substantial amount of their free time to do so and most would be adverse to the suggestion of paying say, £12 a month for such a facility, as she was proposing.

Indeed, several have already stated so categorically.

I think some of the comments from people on here, tend to prove my point. I understand fully the need to pay for a website because of the excessive costs and man hours needed to run it and to protects its users' data and prevent excessive trolling, but I also appreciate that most teachers aren't willing to part with their cash.

Social workers had a chat website called Community Care which was closed down in 2013 and from what I have seen, nurses don't seem to have a chat forum. So teachers have been very lucky to have had the free TES Community forum for all these years.

TES still allows individuals to comment on its educational articles on its website, twitter and Facebook, but most teachers prefer to comment anonymously, so the take up has been low.

Teachers will just have to get used to not having anything like the TES Community forum ever again. If you want to chat, chat here, whilst it remains available, or go to the site that can not be named, and try to only say the right things or you may be deleted, or just get over it and take up a hobby.

As this thread is coming to a close (only 1,000 posts per thread on here), I have created another thread. So please go to it, as soon as this one runs out.

Thanks folks

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom/4151238-TES-Community-Forum-Part-II?watched=1

@staymotivated

From what I remember from a post, that has probably been deleted, someone mentioned that it would cost X amount for a larger storage facility and suggested everyone give a minimum contribution. Not asked, but it was suggested. And yes, many volunteered to do so and from what I have read, the matter has been resolved for now. If you interpret it as not being asked, that is simply a matter of semantics.

If I was hosting a Christmas party and I said, it going to cost me £1,000 am I not intimating I need/want you to contribute or that I would like you to do so? Otherwise, why would I mention it?

Anyway, back to my main point, websites costs money to run and take up a lot of free time to moderate and most trolls operate in the wee wee hours when normal people are asleep. As website expand, and more storage is needed to keep historical posts and create capacity for new ones, increased storage packages have to be bought.

A website model with hundreds of users, and no paid moderators, is going to be unsustainable in the long term. Moderators do an important job and deserve to be paid properly and deserve to have a life away from moderating and their day job.

There were some sophisticated trolling activities on the TES website. I had one guy who would 'follow' me on every post I made and I PMed him and asked, 'Are you using Python or some programme to do this?' because literally as soon as I logged in he was there, winding me up, and he answered, 'I might be using something like that,' and winked/grinned.

He has since appeared on this site and stated he does not have an account on the new website. I don't Adam and Eve it.

So paying a website insurance premium will help mitigate against the large numbers of trolling activities that may arise or do arise. Anyway, I'm glad I am no longer on a website anymore where individuals can log on, see my username and click on me to see what my activities have been and easily follow me around and annoy me.

However, cheaper website interfaces allow this, and if I hosted one, I would hate to be in a position where people could create multiple usernames via multiple IP addresses and come at me, again and again. I would go bananas keeping up with it, especially if it was done via a Python programme that can even bypass questions such as, 'Are you a robot,' and click in! Kids in primary schools are learning computer programming skills so a lot of people can do this easily. I can't. That's why it's important not to annoy people and not to behave in a way where people hold a permanent grudge against you, and if you wish to constantly do so, it's even more important to invest in paying a monthly website insurance premium with an expensive trolling and hacking deterrent software package included plus VAT.

The more users a free site has, the more expensive it is to run, the more man hours it takes up, the more trolls it attracts.

I've popped back here having looked at the pages regarding costs on 'the other' website. Now I realise I can't quote them directly, so I will have to ask anyone interested to trust my accuracy, but I can say:

1. There is no expectation that users pay; none at all. The words used are more along the lines of you choosing if you pay, when to pay and how much you pay - if you want to.

1. There has been no trolling thus far because all those wishing to post (or even read) the forum has to join, and (as has been discussed here ad nauseam) the administrators have not been afraid to exclude those whom they see pushing the boundaries etc

To be honest the vast majority of those using the site like this. I'm sure anyone who likes the sound of it would be welcome to join. Those who don't like this (and several posters here clearly don't) are going to be happier elsewhere - perhaps here.

Sounds like a 'win-win' to have both options to me. (And I'm not forgetting the possible other forum also discussed above).

@staymotivated

Individuals can't help but to come on this thread and gloat about how wonderful it is on another site and it irks some that some of us, don't want to be on the site that can not be named and that some of us, may have had an account on the site and decided not to use it knowing how badly others had been treated. Or never had one at all.

The discussion was about the idea of teachers paying for a teachers' website, which NAB initiated and my views is that most teachers prefer to have free websites and don't mind having it moderated by people who are giving up a substantial amount of their free time to do so and most would be adverse to the suggestion of paying say, £12 a month for such a facility, as she was proposing.

Indeed, several have already stated so categorically.

I think some of the comments from people on here, tend to prove my point. I understand fully the need to pay for a website because of the excessive costs and man hours needed to run it and to protects its users' data and prevent excessive trolling, but I also appreciate that most teachers aren't willing to part with their cash.

Social workers had a chat website called Community Care which was closed down in 2013 and from what I have seen, nurses don't seem to have a chat forum. So teachers have been very lucky to have had the free TES Community forum for all these years.

TES still allows individuals to comment on its educational articles on its website, twitter and Facebook, but most teachers prefer to comment anonymously, so the take up has been low.

Teachers will just have to get used to not having anything like the TES Community forum ever again. If you want to chat, chat here, whilst it remains available, or go to the site that can not be named, and try to only say the right things or you may be deleted, or just get over it and take up a hobby.

While there are many interesting thoughts in this post Staymotivated, I don't recall suggesting a subscription of £12 per month, I do recall mentioning £2-£5per month possibly or £24 per annum possibly with a sliding scale and even then it was random figures as I have mentioned on several occasions and as you know the overall costs have not been established... just thought I would clarify that. Of course some people will not want to contribute and that is normal, people make choices say between Prime Video, Netflix, Rocu, Rakuten, Apple TV etc etc, all based on whether a particular provision meets their needs and wants, it really is that simple.

I have not been put off running an education networking site and reading these posts is very informative so I stay, I also post on the other site if I have time and the inclination to try to remember how it runs for a simple chat. Again I say both these provisions and TES are very different to the new educational networking platform which will likely serve a different target market with very different aims and objectives in the service provision which dictates the platforms design. I hope that is clear and helpful.

I stated £12, because I was putting in a premium website insurance programme, which of course would take things a lot higher. As I have said, my main point has been that most teachers prefer not to pay for such things and prefer websites where moderators are working for nothing, so as to keep the costs down. If you can find a group of say 500 teachers to do so, that will be wonderful, but I would say that would be difficult, considering

a. how many teachers there are that really want to pay to chat to other teachers and
b. how could the content of the forum be anything worthwhile paying a premium to access?

All forums I have found for nurses and social workers are connected to a for profit side, i.e. recruitment, ads and also the selling of content such as books, courses etc.. That is the model that could work, and getting teachers to create content to sell, and taking a percentage of that and using it to run the site as well as getting schools to advertise, makes more sense and sounds more sustainable, but would require even more capital to start up.

But again, it's getting teachers to do so, in enough numbers. Finding out how much they are getting on TES and offering a lower cut and also, paying for search engines to direct others to the website, again that is costly. Keeping friendly with the other site, so that members there could contribute would help as well.

A teachers' chat only site, poses problems. I just don't think it's feasible based on the comments posted on this thread.

I would rather pay £5 a month for an additional screening service, than pay to speak to teachers and read whatever they were harping on about.

The bottom line is, from my searches, other professionals haven't had or have what the TES Community forum was and are doing okay without it. Please direct me to any websites that prove me wrong.

Sorry, that was meant for ilovesooty.

@Zoorhik

Sorry, that was meant for ilovesooty.

What was?

Are we there yet?

Why did you thank someone for saying something that the moderators objected to?