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The Teachers’s Republic Refuge - solidarity comrades!

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 28/04/2020 13:34

So continuing on from our boycott/flowers we need to continue to defend our profession. This is teacher/school staff chat - if you do not fall into that category please start you own thread elsewhere.

#solidarity

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TheHoneyBadger · 29/04/2020 14:39

A six year old requires a lot more parenting full stop. Presume that's why there are greater moaning levels. People having to deal with their demanding children and needing someone to blame.

I homeschooled/unschooled ds from about 6 to 8 years of age and it was easy really - lots of reading, lots of practical learning, etc.

Not saying a primary school teacher has it easy but keeping children busy reading and doing comprehension together and numeracy and having conversations or watching things that encourage curiosity about the world etc isn't rocket science and a couple of hours 1:1 of that each day would be more than adequate without having to demand endless bloody worksheets and step by step instructions surely?

Beginning to think some parents delegate all responsibility for parenting past 4 to the state.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/04/2020 14:42

I would have totally supported primary school teachers in saying use this time to consolidate reading, writing and comprehension skills and to practice times tables. Outside of that play, bake, make art and have fun.

Wtf is wrong with people that they are losing their shit over having to look after their own children for a few weeks? I feel like this really does say something about the state of our society and parenting.

RigaBalsam · 29/04/2020 14:47

Wtf is wrong with people that they are losing their shit over having to look after their own children for a few weeks? I feel like this really does say something about the state of our society and parenting.

Can't imagine a Spanish lock down. I can imagine the threads here. I am glad we are allowed exercise though.

SallyLovesCheese · 29/04/2020 14:47

Riga Has the sun passed the yard arm? If so, go for it! Grin

Honey I would totally just say that! If my DC was older I would totally be making use of this time for learning different things in different ways. It's a shame, really, that the Government didn't take the responsibility off schools' shoulders and give more prescriptive guidelines. But there will be people who moan regardless of what is done, so it's a no-win situation.

RigaBalsam · 29/04/2020 14:48

Sally its overcast so I am going to say yes. Grin

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 29/04/2020 14:49

Yes there have been plenty of posts about vulnerable and disadvantaged students as well. Some just don't realise that schools are so much more than they used be because they are now seen as the key part of the solution to solving society's problems. This has led to the blending of Education with social/health/welfare care.

Teaching (education) is only one aspect of schools

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Piggywaspushed · 29/04/2020 14:50

See, if I was parent and was working FH, I could see why the play, bake, do art would wind people up

I would then a) suck it up b) buy some learning books c) stick kids in front of Thomas The Tank Engine on a continual loop d) contact - y'know the actual school e) cry f) spill paint on the floor and /or blow up the oven

Definitely not skip all other stages and complain to captive audience of MN

SallyLovesCheese · 29/04/2020 14:50

Whoo, Riga! Gotta love a cloud! 😂😂

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/04/2020 14:51

Honey that's what has been my gut feeling re my 7 yr old. He likes the WR maths but then loads of reading and some basic work book spag and comprehension then just loads of engaging practical stuff often led by him. Den building, catapults, cafes etc. And tidying up, cleaning hoovering etc.

I admit a had an nqt style anxiety wobble recently about what I should be teaching etc. Last few days has confirmed my gut feelings.

SallyLovesCheese · 29/04/2020 14:53

I openly admit my DC has spent too much time in front of a screen over the last month. We were up at 5am today, having woken every hour in the night, so CBeebies it was for the first two hours of the day! (Admittedly he was playing at the same time, but the TV was there!)

But, you know, needs must. I'm working today so I needed a sit down and ☕.

Asuitablecat · 29/04/2020 14:54

To be fair, I'm sick to death of my kids and can see why people want them.back in. I'm also really, really horrible to my own. I.shout, belittle and mock. In my defence, dc1 says tucking stupid things. And I'm trying to.work.What's half of 18? Er, er, er, 19? I've never done it before. Fuck off, you're in yr6! How have I given birth to such an idiot?STOP LOOKING OUT OF THE WINDOW. what are you crying for now?

Whereas in school:"so, how do you think we could solve it? It's ok, you're good at this. You can do this. No, not quite the answer I was looking for, why don't you try again?"

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/04/2020 14:55

We are having a screen afternoon. I was awake from 2:30 then toddler up at 5:30. Waiting for caffeine to kick in. I'm working on Friday and the weekend this week (wfh.)

TubereuseNordlys · 29/04/2020 14:57

The AHL leader in that link has suggested perhaps Years 6, 10 and 12 go back first.

I'd be pleased with that (two exam groups and a big Key Stage transition), but I'm left wondering what will happen to teachers like me, who have a split year group. Will I have to set online learning for Year 5 and teach Year 6? That'll be an interesting wrinkle!

SallyLovesCheese · 29/04/2020 14:57

Solidarity, Neuro! Caffeine is the way forward when you have a toddler! ☕☕☕

SallyLovesCheese · 29/04/2020 15:03

Staff I've just realised the title of this thread has an interesting apostrophe thing going on!

Piggywaspushed · 29/04/2020 15:05

I think the ASCL leader is alone voice though. More economy minded people are suggesting youngest years.

In any 3 tier area that means a whole tier of schools doing 'nothing' I know they will still be doing KW, no doubt) and disproportionately affects middle and upper schools) I think there is would have to be year 4 , year 8, year 10, year 12.

StSaulOfSnacks · 29/04/2020 15:09

Oh god Sally, hope the other lot don't notice.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 29/04/2020 15:12

@SallyLovesCheese @StSaulOfSnacks - oh no the shame! Do I have to get MNHQ to edit it? oh dear - I think they are fed up with messages from me

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mnahmnah · 29/04/2020 15:15

@Asuitablecat

Me too! Trying to teach my 8yo the time. Not with the patience I teach with. At all.

SallyLovesCheese · 29/04/2020 15:16

They haven't noticed yet, maybe they think it's some clever English thing that only an A Level English teacher would get?

Or I did wonder if it was a deliberate silly mistake. Shall we go with that one? Grin

TheHoneyBadger · 29/04/2020 15:17

Honestly if everyone could just chill the f out it would help kids, parents and teachers.

The couple of years I had with ds doing not a lot frankly but child led learning if you want a buzzword for it was instinct affirming and life changing. Kids learn - try and stop them! Primary really overall what you want is kids to be able to read, to comprehend, to compare and contrast and explain their own ideas and to be numerate and confident at tackling basic maths. OF COURSE I don't claim I could teach classes of 30 random kids to pass SATS exams but I can damn sure facilitate my son's basic development of areas of the brain that are programmed to be hungry to learn at that age.

Ds had nearly three years out of UK school, a brief stint at pseudo schools when we were traveling which were really just about socialising with other kids and doing art and sports projects with a token nod at maths and literacy in classes with kids of all different languages and ages being taught by tefl at most qualified teachers.

When we came back to school and slotted back in he was fine and seemed to have missed nothing other than the terms they gave to processes in maths (re ask him to do x and he looks baffled till he realises oh by x they mean what we called y). NOT that teachers don't do fantastic jobs at primary but that quality one on one interest in you and your learning, albeit it haphazard and not every day or particularly disciplined or adhering to a prescribed curriculum, is at least equal to being one of 30 in an overcrowded room for six hours a day and a teacher forced to follow the latest guidelines.

I appreciate teachers seem to have become far less unionised and political than when I started but ffs if they're pissed off about education standards and resources etc then tell the bloody government and the people who vote for them - don't blame the teachers who are trying to connect with and add some value to the life of your children despite being in a shitty underfunded overcrowded overloaded system.

How did we get to be the enemy when we're also parents - I'm not overly happy that my son has been taught by people whose English I find hard to understand one on one in a quiet room. I'm not overly impressed that a few kids in his class with massive challenges that require far more intensive support that can be provided set the tone and pace of learning for everyone else. I'm not hugely enamoured with the fact that his PP provision equates to a less than high achieving year 10 taking him out of key subject lessons for a chat each week. I can't blame the teachers though as they didn't make any of the decisions that created this situation. It's not his maths teachers fault that she doesn't speak english at a comprehensible level yet was employed to work in a UK school - I can't even blame the school (which also employs me) that they can't recruit an english, qualified maths teacher.

I know this is a huge rant and i promise to shut up but grrrrr! It's not us you need to rant at - we're suffering under it the same as you.

StSaulOfSnacks · 29/04/2020 15:19

Nah, fuck 'em.

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/04/2020 15:20

More economy minded people are suggesting youngest years.

There's now Swiss study saying children can't transmit it. But then you have a few children possibly having terrible reactions too. I do think a friend's family caught it from her son?!

CanICelebrate · 29/04/2020 15:21

I’ve been sat sobbing again. I’ve not long recovered from a period of trauma / anxiety/ depression (not work related) and feel myself sinking lower each day.
DH our at work all day, 3 dc at home ‘schooling’ all day, I’m a class teacher and also in a senior pastoral role, busy all the time and feeling like a shit mum and generally a shit everything.
DH is taking a day a week off as annual leave and work letting me be flexible pastorally to give me a much lighter day each week, but it’s a nightmare as I can’t pay my dc the attention they deserve.
DC primary school won’t even consider having them for a day a week.
Hardly anyone in RL knows about my struggles and no one at work knows about my MH battles as I’m the one who looks after everyone else.
I keep looking at teacher bashing threads almost like a form of self harm and it’s tipped me over the edge today SadSadSad

Appuskidu · 29/04/2020 15:21

In any 3 tier area that means a whole tier of schools doing 'nothing' I know they will still be doing KW, no doubt) and disproportionately affects middle and upper schools) I think there is would have to be year 4 , year 8, year 10, year 12

What about infant schools then-who goes back there? EYFS or Year 2?!