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Could we ask MN for no more teacher bashing threads do you think?

283 replies

pinkrocker · 11/04/2020 21:22

It's hard enough without being told we're "twiddling thumbs"
I'm really, honestly trying so hard right now. And I'm sure thousands more are as well.
I don't want to make excuses or feel sad for myself or start championing us, but can we just have a break please?
MN is full of arguments against us, angry justifications of opinions from both sides.
I understand why people are frustrated, but could we ask MN for people to take a break, please Sad

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bananaskinsnomnom · 12/04/2020 00:53

My close friend is the Head of English at a secondary school. She was in tears when the exams got cancelled. All her hard work with the students down the pan. All the students work down the pan. Everyone who she had spent hours of her time with after school providing extra support to boost their grades, pointless. She wasn’t dancing for joy. I don’t know any teacher who is dancing for joy right now.

Why do teachers get out into the same category?

Let’s do it with every other job. As you know, all teachers fit in one category.
Nursery is always a good one: all nursery staff are young chavvy girls who didn’t do very well at school, have little grasp of English grammar and couldn’t do anything else so landed on the child care course.
All doctors are privately educated elitist who actually know nothing because Dr Google tells us everything, and they never see us when we want them too because they just want to go home early.
Cares are all foreign immigrants who can barely speak English.
Retail staff are obviously never did well at school if they’ve ended up there so we can talk down to them.
Stay at home mums are just lazy and should provide for their children.
Bankers are all men who get huge bonuses and will loose all your money.

Any of the above true? No.

So likewise:
Many teachers are on a rota system in school. Some frequent, some not so.
Some are still looking after most of their school, some only a handful.
Some schools are setting a full day of work each day and parents are complaining.
Some schools are setting very little and parents are complaining
Some teachers are providing feedback daily and parents are complaining they won’t get off their back
Some teachers are not providing frequent feedback and parents are complaining.

Many of them have taken advantage of the fact that this is actually the Easter Holiday week and actually given themselves time off. Teacher pay is pro rata - want them to work right through the holidays for you this year (which so many have to do anyway) - be ready for a tax increase to pay them all!

Live teaching is a safeguarding hazard in many situations. Some children can’t be shown on a computer screen in someone else’s home as it puts them in danger. It’s not just “refusing” to do live teaching, they can’t!

I’m a furloughed HLTA who is doing nothing. Feel free to thrash me. I already feel low, kick me further.

My class teacher (reception) has spent the last 2 weeks making videos. For every day:
A literacy video - lesson and demo & task
Maths video - lesson and demonstrations &task explanation
A topic video
A French video for each week
She is emailing 3 reading books (scanned in) personalised to each child a week
A science video each week

All these videos have explanations, demonstrations and tasks given. Worksheets sometimes attached, sometimes they’re asked to present the task in a way they choose or she tells them to make a video, make a picture, model etc and explain it.

I’m fact I should add that many days she has made 3 videos for maths and 3 for literacy. For the purposes of differentiation. So everyone has a suitable challenge. She and the rest have been working their backsides off. As normal. I helped create some worksheets and videos before furlough began. Once the term kicks off she will provide feedback for whatever comes back.

Some parents have said they will not be able to complete it all. Some have said its not enough. Some say it sounds great. A couple haven’t even bothered to log on yet and probably won’t.
You can’t ever please everyone.

Stop tying all teachers together. It’s ridiculous. And I for one was more than happy to be on the tosta to look after key children because it’s my job! But I’m furloughed, so won’t be.

bananaskinsnomnom · 12/04/2020 00:55

And like many have said, please do come and give teaching a try, clearly so easy and next time there’s a national emergency you’ll be able to take extra holiday and learn surfing!

Just in the meantime, when someone’s precious perfect child doesn’t listen to you and you attempt to correct their behaviour, just pray you don’t loose your job when you’re accused of abuse.

JimmyGrimble · 12/04/2020 00:59

Glitterbug
Our school are visiting our vulnerable children every day, collecting food, making up food parcels and delivering them, signposting our vulnerable families to get them help if they need it.
As a class teacher I upload a weekly plan for my class every Monday and challenges every day. I monitor and set work on various online platforms such as Mathletics and reading Buddy. I monitor responses and offer feedback on the work the children have uploaded and offer support for parents.
I am also on the rota for looking after key worker children...
I’m not teaching live lessons because a) our school is not set up for it
And b) it’s not appropriate and contravenes our safeguarding policy
I want to applaud you for the work that you are doing. It must be so difficult for you at the moment. You are incredible and I can’t really imagine what you’re going through.
Myself and the vast majority of my colleagues would do anything in our power to help you and your family through this.
However, we can only do what we can do, we are acting on the instructions of our Local Authority and Head Teachers (and the government!) ... I get that it’s frustrating for you but we’re doing what we can.

Glitterbug76 · 12/04/2020 00:59

echt
Glad you can have the time to be so patronising when was the last time you nursed patients on a 12 hour shift and didn’t see your child for days. Glad you find my job funny I am sure you wouldn’t last a minute. Enjoy your Easter holidays.

Yellowshirt · 12/04/2020 01:03

I don't agree that teachers are only paid during term time.
Your on fantastic wages and your the only profession in the country that gets 13 weeks paid holiday a year.
You should be put on a standard 28 days including bank holidays like everyone else.

pirateparker · 12/04/2020 01:06

Good points made there @yellowshirt!

JimmyGrimble · 12/04/2020 01:06

sigh
We are not paid for our holidays. We are paid a salary which is for 195 days and is spread evenly through the year.
And it’s you’re Grin

Yellowshirt · 12/04/2020 01:17

@JimmyGrimble.
That means the whole country is not paid for holidays. I don't get your point.
YOU'RE just making excuses.
Do you get paid extra to do exam marking like some teachers?

bananaskinsnomnom · 12/04/2020 01:18

@Yellowshirt I know I said about teachers pay but I’m not actually one! Wanted to....then realised I needed more experience and backbone!

My post sounded angry but geez why are we all ripping each other down? Does this whole pandemic not show people how much we rely on everyone to make the world go round?

So many people in so many sectors are under extreme stress right now. And yes, there are certainly different levels of stress within that.

One major thing facing the schools will be Ofsted next year. For sure, attainment will drop due to the varying levels children have been able to/willing to access remote learning. Results will take a dip. Ofsted will come charging in, like won’t take any of this into account, put schools down into Special Measures or Requires Improvement, parents will panic and not want their children there, teachers will grow increasingly stressed as Heads have to demand more and more to keep bloody regulators happy who will then move the goal posts again.....

Do I thin that teachers need to be placed on a pedestal above everyone else in this mess? Of course not! That would be crazy. But if you honestly think they’re all sitting back enjoying this you are deluded. The ones I know are still devoting everything they can to the job.

SallyLovesCheese · 12/04/2020 01:24

I absolutely agree that there are most probably teachers enjoying the "time off", doing very little and swanning about - Easter holiday or not. (Don't personally know any teachers doing this though.)

I know for a fact that there are also teachers working very, very hard, Easter holiday or not.

If your child's school are failing to send work home, please contact the school after Easter. It is right your child should have something set by their teacher to work on, regularly.

But please don't then say all teachers because that's simply not true.

And the poster suggesting we get just 28 days holiday, I'd need to know more. For example, would children also be in school apart from those 28 days? If they weren't, what would teachers be doing those days the children aren't in? Could teachers take those 28 days any time they wanted, including term-time? If yes, who would cover the class those weeks the teacher is away in term-time? If no, would all teachers be forced to have the same 28 days holiday?

JimmyGrimble · 12/04/2020 01:25

Yellowshirt
I’ve detailed what I and my colleagues are doing. You clearly don’t understand teacher’s contracts and that’s ok. What excuses am I making? You’re right that we have 13 weeks non contact time but that isn’t the same thing. But feel free to come into the staff room and give us the benefit of your opinions ...

JimmyGrimble · 12/04/2020 01:28

And no I don’t take on exam marking ... I’m a primary school teacher. Does it annoy you that some teachers do that? How odd... who do you think should mark exams?

Glitterbug76 · 12/04/2020 01:28

Banana some like Jimmygrible are absolutely amazing some who are having time to take up an extra hobby not so !!
We will see what happens if they have a rota in the next half term / summer holidays because a lot of nhs are having there annual leave cancelled.

Yellowshirt · 12/04/2020 01:31

@bananaskinsnomnom I'm not saying teachers don't extremely work hard. I just don't think they work any harder than any other profession.

The pensions they receive should be reward enough. 13 weeks holiday is to much .

SallyLovesCheese · 12/04/2020 01:37

No, we don't work harder than any other profession. Most teachers don't think that.

So, 28 days holiday, how would it work? For example, would children also be in school apart from those 28 days? If they weren't, what would teachers be doing those days the children aren't in? Could teachers take those 28 days any time they wanted, including term-time? If yes, who would cover the class those weeks the teacher is away in term-time? If no, would all teachers be forced to have the same 28 days holiday?

JimmyGrimble · 12/04/2020 01:38

yellowshirt
Oh dear. And now you’re a pensions expert? I don’t know if I work harder than any other profession and I’m certainly not working as hard as glitterbug at the moment. I don’t know that because my profession is teaching. With respect, you’re not a teacher so you have no idea about our workload.

Pieceofpurplesky · 12/04/2020 01:38

What happened to be kind?

Why is it that those that hate teachers (and on this thread hate is the correct word) have no understanding of pay and conditions of teachers and roll out the holiday argument and won't believe it is u paid for teachers.

Why do those people constantly spout rubbish about ALL teachers, when they don't know them? Why do they label every teacher the same?

When I was in hospital for a non urgent appointment in a quiet ward the nurses spent a lot of the day chatting amongst themselves, just checking up on patients occasionally. Did I think that was because they were lazy or that every nurse was the same??! No. Why? Because I know that everything is different - it was a quiet day and I didn't begrudge the nurses having a breather! I would not want to be a nurse and think all NHS staff are amazing.

I just don't get the hatred of teachers shown on this thread. For what it's worth I have worked equally as hard at home as I do at school - but mainly pastorally. I am also heartbroken that my 34 lovely, hard working and over achieving Year 11s won't get to showcase their brilliance in the exam - as are they.

Yellowshirt · 12/04/2020 01:38

@JimmyGrimble exam marking doesn't annoy me at all. But the extra pay they receive on top of salaries and time out of school to complete this task is ok is it?

SallyLovesCheese · 12/04/2020 01:40

@Yellowshirt

So, 28 days holiday, how would it work? For example, would children also be in school apart from those 28 days? If they weren't, what would teachers be doing those days the children aren't in? Could teachers take those 28 days any time they wanted, including term-time? If yes, who would cover the class those weeks the teacher is away in term-time? If no, would all teachers be forced to have the same 28 days holiday?

And exam markers don't get time out of school to do it, it's done in addition to their day job.

Pieceofpurplesky · 12/04/2020 01:41

I am an exam marker and I can assure you that time is not taken out of school to mark it. The exam papers (online) are not allowed to be in a public place and the contract and sanctions about this are very firm.
Exam marking is done in our own time. This is yet another point you have made which is incorrect.

Glitterbug76 · 12/04/2020 01:41

Sally
13 weeks to cover for working parents is to much. You have a break every 6 weeks. I don’t know what the answer is but there is no justification for any one to have that many weeks holidays social workers who case hold 3o / 4o child protection cases don’t have that , intensive care / theatre nurses.

SallyLovesCheese · 12/04/2020 01:44

@Glitterbug76

We have 13 weeks because children do. That's why I'm asking how the 28 days would work. One can't say we should have 28 days holiday and not have an idea as to how it could work.

ineedaholidaynow · 12/04/2020 01:45

What exams are you talking about @Yellowshirt? Externally set exams? They have to be marked by someone and someone independent from the school they were sat in. Do you think people who mark exams shouldn’t be paid?

Yellowshirt · 12/04/2020 01:46

@JimmyGrimble pensions expert? Nope.
But I understand a teachers workload.

Pieceofpurplesky · 12/04/2020 01:47

What do you do @Yellowshirt to understand a teacher's workload so well?

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