Ham pr disasters 58! …things are getting strange….I’m starting to worry….this could be a case for mulder and scully! ..

[jeffgoldblum]

Well ….confusion reigns supreme! , more and more information dribbling out! , still no idea what is going on! ….its time for outside help!

And yes she was a producer.

Perhaps they don't know. There's no reason why they would have known really.

People keep referring to Doria as a 'social worker'. If she was actually a fully trained qualified social worker I'm not sure jail time would have been a positive. I think she may have worked with the elderly for a while but doubt she was actually a social worker.

Both she and Thomas went bankrupt at different points , and she ran a shop for a while. There is a lot of murkiness and unexplained dysfunction in that family generally.

Do you think she wouldn't have a work permit arranged for her if she was going to film a couple of episodes of a TV show? She's already filmed one episode of a show in Australia and must have had the correct visa for that.

So, obviously the RF were welcoming and supportive? She was part of the family from early on. That narrative changed, didn't it?

Lots of Aussies complaining how they have so many Australian talented chefs and ex Masterchef winners who should have been given the opportunity.

The profile of the show is already getting a lot of attention, there is already a petition to not have her on the show, the advertising dollars will be rolling in. Mission accomplished for the show, not so much for Meghan.

Pre mumsnet I was ivillage.com (which is now a shadow of its former self) as soon as I released I was upduffed.

It was very American-centric. And one of the things that stood out to me was how much more common it was over there for children of divorce to live with their fathers. Generally it appeared to be motivated by logistics and the hard facts of life. The father may have a better address for a good school. Better placed to juggle child care and work. Established at work while the mother was having to re-establish after a period of no work/low work during the early years of child rearing.

It is entirely possible the mystery behind Doria leaving her daughter with her dad is only a mystery because to British eyes it looks highly unusual. Whereas from an American perspective (of that time) it was less unusual.

Just a tad 😅

They've had chance to look at it and check timelines.

"He says that the jail sentence for drugs is what Bower is referring to, which he got direct from the source and which is well-known among journalists on national papers."

I'm a little sceptical about this drug claim. To be incarcerated for several years she'd have to have been a serious drug dealer, probably operating or part of a network and involving violence, not just for simple possession of marijuana. And I think there'd be a lot more remaining evidence if Doria had involved in that kind of activity. How would journalists know about it if it's been wiped clean from records?

Also, how exactly do you expunge a criminal record? There's always going to be some evidence still lying around. If Doria had been in jail for drug-related offences, for example, wouldn't she'd surely have some ex-cell mate willing to do an interview for cash. Or some news articles from the day. What drug offence do some people even believe she was incarcerated for?

I think we should start with the dates of when Meghan lived with Thomas Markle and work from there to work out this puzzle.

Meghan should have done the same before she released her statement, stating the wrong year as each hasn't helped her credibility & just reinforced "recollections may vary" when it comes to the Hams...

That does make me wonder if someone at the Mail said 'Amanda, you know that sympathy slop you poured all over MM last week? you might want to have a look at this,' and AP has gone popeyed in disbelief.

It's always amusing when journalist (using the word loosely in AP's case) have to do a fast reverse ferret

I think the exact same it would have showed her as human, everyone has ghastly relatives someone along the line.. it would have shown she has the common touch which would have appealed to all of us.

I think Thomas Jnr & Samantha have lots of ammunition left in their arsenal...

Maybe Amanda has been reading the Ham threads on here😂

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/2261020/meghan-markle-torn-apart-australians-tv/amp

The Express no longer feeling the love either!

I don’t know about that, the Markles were absolutely the worst of the worst. She was absolutely correct to not invite them, I would never criticise her for that, I felt so sorry for her dealing with all that in the lead up to her wedding at the time.

What I don’t understand is why her black relatives were not invited, who by all accounts are decent working class people, and have never said a bad word about her.

She's SO GOOD at earning money for media outlets. She must be on a "clicks" commission with the red tops😂And now more advertising for Aussie MasterChef than they could have imagined.

Yes poor Doria was all on her own, yes no explanation was ever given as to why the Raglands were not included..

Omg, Martha Stewart would absolutely have been a win for the show, but I guess she is too busy 😜

Agree, I don't see why work permissions etc would automatically be a problem.

Gor certain jobs/roles you can (or certainly used to be able to) get a very short term/very temporary work visa fairly quickly - in olden days if in the UK it just involved a quick visit to Australia House in London clutching paperwork from your sponsor/employer.

It's no doubt all on line now.

Strictly speaking, Tom Bower is a barrister and writer of biographies, not a journalist. He says he writes books about people he doesn’t like and has no compunction about stating his bias. He avoids legal challenge by meticulously listing the sources from which his claims are drawn, so he is always repeating something second hand and can’t be accused of defamation.

I’ve read some of his books and they are interesting but I wouldn't take everything he says as gospel. Some of the things he writes are very much under cover of someone else’s claims.

Which may explain why so many articles on this story disappeared so quickly from the Sun and DM websites on Monday.
As an aside. Did anyone else notice that the Amanda Platell article used photos with MM and TMS sitting in the exact same position? I'm sure photos are chosen carefully, in this case to make MM and TMS look like two peas from the same murky pod. Devious.

There could be several reasons. I don't really care about Meghan's childhood so haven't given it much thought.

However, it's exceedingly unlikely that a possible prison stay could be kept secret, for the reasons I and others have pointed out above. Any suggestion to the contrary is speculation heaped upon innuendo upon rumour.

As I don't want this thread to turn into a certain Reddit sub I'm not going to discuss this any further.

It's no doubt all on line now.

It is, No schlepping to Australia House to have the visa put in your passport.