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Ham pr disasters 57! ….continuing the confusion and controversy….

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jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 19:46

Once more into the breach dear friends!!

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CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:18

AlwaysRightISwear · Yesterday 21:08

They did publish the birth certificate. Anything about Archie's birth is a conspiracy theory too far imo.

I discount all that stuff because if you remember the photo with the late queen. Meghan looked uncharacteristically “bonny” (as my old mum would have said), full-faced and glowing. I’ve never seen her look so round in the face before or since.

To me she had the look of someone who’d very recently given birth, and you can’t fake that.

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 21:19

pipinghot · Yesterday 20:55

People from the past (pre grift of a lifetime success into the BRF) have been remarkably quiet. Remarkably.

I'm intrigued.

pipinghot · Yesterday 21:21

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:14

Call me a small-minded vit but if H were to appear in public soon (unlikely) I’d take great pleasure if a reporter shouted an impertinent question at him regarding this awful mess.

Yes, I know it’s not his fault or Meghan’s that TM is a sex offender, but neither was it fair on Prince William when he had to face questions about royal racism on a visit just after the Oprah interview. I don’t think H has ever had to deal with that kind of uncomfortable experience with journalists.

We don't know that TM is a sex offender. It's only been alleged by his son - and his ex wife.

Unpleasant character he seems so. He himself has just said yes I use 'prostitutes' none were 'under age'. Make of that what you will.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Yesterday 21:23

Starryfifty · Yesterday 21:13

Chris Shit banging on about security. On what grounds? Meg's father may allegedly be a paodophile but unlikely to target her and her children??

And I genuinely can't see why anyone should target Ham's safety because of the actions of her father.

Same with Beatrice and Eugenie, AFAIK they've never been deemed to be at a risk that warrants armed security because of the actions of AMW.

B&E aren't responsible for the behaviour of their dad and Meghan isn't for hers. They are all responsible for their own behaviour, but that's another story.

dreamerhereawake · Yesterday 21:23

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:18

I discount all that stuff because if you remember the photo with the late queen. Meghan looked uncharacteristically “bonny” (as my old mum would have said), full-faced and glowing. I’ve never seen her look so round in the face before or since.

To me she had the look of someone who’d very recently given birth, and you can’t fake that.

I don’t know.

I look bonny because of pies.

Snuppeline · Yesterday 21:24

Lunde · Yesterday 21:02

I don't think we'll ever get and answer to this. The letter writer, Roslyn Loveless, died in 2024. Nobody really knows why she suddenly wrote about him 44 years after they divorced. Her daughter, Samantha Markle, has said that her mother was an unstable alcoholic married to a heroin addict - so perhaps the letter read more as the drunken ramblings of a vengeful ex to a woman recently married into the rf. Possibly, the letter contained threats to sell stories which it why it was originally considered a security/harassment issue.

We don't know what conversations Meghan had with the Met about her father's ex and the letter. Perhaps she frequently made threats? Perhaps the information seemed vague and not credible - we just don't know.

The bit that I don't understand is why a woman from New Mexico addressed her letter to the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre (FTAC) - how did she know to address it there? Did someone help her? Also yet another handwritten letter...

As ever - more questions than answers

Quite - more questions than answers! I just can’t comprehend why the letter was directed to the Met and not Buckingham Palace. Whatever was the x-wife’s intention? Surely only a handful of intentions are possible? If to help save further children from abuse, okay police seems sensible, but why in the UK when TM had not set foot (and if he had it would have been covered extensively in media). FBI or Mexican police would make so much more sense for that intention. So did she want to embarrass MM? Then why not BP? Or the media? If she wanted to warn MM so she could protect her own children why not direct to her at Frogmore? MMs whereabouts were well known at the time.

It is all so odd. And as you say, how convenient that the lady who could she’s light passed in 2024.

DontLiveByTheClouds · Yesterday 21:24

Pregnancy weight is different from I ate too many pies weight. Behave.

CantBeArsedToThinkOfAName · Yesterday 21:25

Onebigsham · Yesterday 21:13

It’s most implausible to believe she’d have the knowledge of the inner workings of the BRF to know where to send such a missive. Loveless was one of the few from the extended Markle clan to not try to cash in on Meghan’s fortunate marriage by giving trashy interviews to the press. It’s all very strange.

Not quite! This is from May 2019. 4 months after the 'paedophile accusation letter'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markles-dad-must-never-15026800

I find it interesting it's framed as she 'kept a dignified silence throughout three years since Prince Harry met Meghan'.

Why would anyone be interested in her views. Meghan's father had divorced her 16 years before she was born!

She failed to mention her children with Thomas Snr opted to live with him as young teenagers.

Definitely stinks of collusion with Meghan's camp and again interesting as Meghan would have known the letter was from her and what it said. Odd that she didn't infer any safeguarding risks to Archie.

Meghan Markle's dad must never be part of Archie's life, says his ex-wife

EXCLUSIVE: Father of Duchess of Sussex should not be involved with grandson, warns Roslyn Markle — as she accuses Thomas of cheating, homophobia, drug use and neglect

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markles-dad-must-never-15026800

dreamerhereawake · Yesterday 21:27

DontLiveByTheClouds · Yesterday 21:24

Pregnancy weight is different from I ate too many pies weight. Behave.

Behave?

We are all different. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Starryfifty · Yesterday 21:28

Why was the mother of Samantha and tom junior happy to leave them in the custody of a sex abuser ? Did she make Doria aware? If so, why did Doria leave her daughter in his custody?

pipinghot · Yesterday 21:28

CantBeArsedToThinkOfAName · Yesterday 21:25

Not quite! This is from May 2019. 4 months after the 'paedophile accusation letter'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markles-dad-must-never-15026800

I find it interesting it's framed as she 'kept a dignified silence throughout three years since Prince Harry met Meghan'.

Why would anyone be interested in her views. Meghan's father had divorced her 16 years before she was born!

She failed to mention her children with Thomas Snr opted to live with him as young teenagers.

Definitely stinks of collusion with Meghan's camp and again interesting as Meghan would have known the letter was from her and what it said. Odd that she didn't infer any safeguarding risks to Archie.

That's actually a gorgeous photograph. It could all have been so different! I'd have been ok with my cash going to fund their luxury life if they had added to the BRF. Sadly they do the opposite now.

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:29

dreamerhereawake · Yesterday 21:23

I don’t know.

I look bonny because of pies.

😂😂😂

It was a word my mum was very fond of - she always complimented me when I was looking more chubby than I wanted to be! She definitely did it to wind me up.

AllegationsMayVary · Yesterday 21:29

Onebigsham · Yesterday 21:13

It’s most implausible to believe she’d have the knowledge of the inner workings of the BRF to know where to send such a missive. Loveless was one of the few from the extended Markle clan to not try to cash in on Meghan’s fortunate marriage by giving trashy interviews to the press. It’s all very strange.

That’s not true. Someone posted her exclusive interview with The Mirror in May 2019 on the last thread where she is saying how TM should never be allowed in Archie’s life and listing out all his horrible characteristics especially as a negligent father and dreadful husband. Notably she didn’t allege CSA in the interview.

I very much doubt she did it for free. A bit late to the party but still had her snout in the trough.

Interesting that this was in the May of 2019 after her letter earlier in Jan which we now know didn’t get the impact she has hoped.

pipinghot · Yesterday 21:30

Starryfifty · Yesterday 21:28

Why was the mother of Samantha and tom junior happy to leave them in the custody of a sex abuser ? Did she make Doria aware? If so, why did Doria leave her daughter in his custody?

Why did Meghan continue with her I've always been a daddy's girl. Questions questions

CantBeArsedToThinkOfAName · Yesterday 21:30

Oh look at the date of this!

www.rsvplive.ie/news/celebs/meghan-markles-father-thomas-markle-15052739

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:30

Starryfifty · Yesterday 21:28

Why was the mother of Samantha and tom junior happy to leave them in the custody of a sex abuser ? Did she make Doria aware? If so, why did Doria leave her daughter in his custody?

To me, that’s the million dollar question. Why did D leave, why did she leave M with her father and where was she during those missing years?

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 21:30

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:14

Call me a small-minded vit but if H were to appear in public soon (unlikely) I’d take great pleasure if a reporter shouted an impertinent question at him regarding this awful mess.

Yes, I know it’s not his fault or Meghan’s that TM is a sex offender, but neither was it fair on Prince William when he had to face questions about royal racism on a visit just after the Oprah interview. I don’t think H has ever had to deal with that kind of uncomfortable experience with journalists.

That would be interesting . Remember when he snapped at Rhiannon Mills when she asked him a fairly innocuous question?

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:32

DontLiveByTheClouds · Yesterday 21:24

Pregnancy weight is different from I ate too many pies weight. Behave.

And I don’t feel Meghan is a pie sort of girl!😄

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 21:32

readbutdonotpostoften · Yesterday 21:06

@Picoloangel She certainly knew in Dec 2025 as she wrote a letter to her father saying so - but unless Meghan produces a copy, the letter is currently missing.

In the 2025 letter she states "I know you are an abuser".

What evidence for this statement did she have? Where did it come from? In 2019 all she had to go on was a letter from her dad's ex that the Met chucked aside.

pipinghot · Yesterday 21:33

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 21:30

That would be interesting . Remember when he snapped at Rhiannon Mills when she asked him a fairly innocuous question?

He snapped at the royal reporter who asked him why keep your titles if you've moved away to the USA to be non working royals. He didn't like that one at all.

Snuppeline · Yesterday 21:33

Starryfifty · Yesterday 21:28

Why was the mother of Samantha and tom junior happy to leave them in the custody of a sex abuser ? Did she make Doria aware? If so, why did Doria leave her daughter in his custody?

Or the son? From the DM article above MM was warned not to leave Archie with TM snr.

MeghanAndTheSeals · Yesterday 21:35

DontLiveByTheClouds · Yesterday 20:46

Would they really get away with announcing a different DOB for Archie? Doesn't the media usually get a copy of the birth certificate?

My memory is hazy, may be wrong and, tbh, I can’t be arsed to look! But I’ve got a feeling that there was something like a soft “announcement” that M was due to give birth which was then all over the press. And shortly after H announcing that A had been born a day or so before.

As I say, my memory could definitely be wrong and it could well be mixed up with the whole “thing” at the time of them not doing the usual photo shoot etc.

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 21:36

Starryfifty · Yesterday 21:13

Chris Shit banging on about security. On what grounds? Meg's father may allegedly be a paodophile but unlikely to target her and her children??

Well, Mumsnetters are riled, so we might go and boo the school run.

CantBeArsedToThinkOfAName · Yesterday 21:37

Thomas's Snr's welcome to baby Archie was printed on the same day as his 1st wife's 'warning' to keep Archie away from him.

No way that wasn't orchestrated!

Meghan Markle's father Thomas Markle speaks out following the birth of his royal grandson Archie

Meghan Markle's father Thomas is 'delighted to hear' about baby Archie

He is already 'proud' of the newborn

https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/celebs/meghan-markles-father-thomas-markle-15052739

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 21:39

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 21:14

Call me a small-minded vit but if H were to appear in public soon (unlikely) I’d take great pleasure if a reporter shouted an impertinent question at him regarding this awful mess.

Yes, I know it’s not his fault or Meghan’s that TM is a sex offender, but neither was it fair on Prince William when he had to face questions about royal racism on a visit just after the Oprah interview. I don’t think H has ever had to deal with that kind of uncomfortable experience with journalists.

Alleged sex offender.
TMSr has been accused but not tried or convicted. He maintains his innocence.
ETA he maintains he was set up by his son.

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