Ham pr disasters 57! ….continuing the confusion and controversy….

[jeffgoldblum]

Once more into the breach dear friends!!

But that would be way over Meghan’s head 😆

Well, there's one person why can clear up who saw it back then, who was told about it, who provided advice, what was done about it, if it was logged according to the office policies etc. (but she can't even remember what year she received it).

Why should the RF bother to provide this info when MM - who opened this particular can of worms - hasn't?

The reach here seems to be to get the RF on the hook for doing something wrong - which will then translate into "letting poor Meghan down".

Who do you think it is that she hasn't provided this info? Holding out for a pay-day no-details-spared interview with The Sun probably.

It was sent to the Sussex head of security and discussed directly with Meghan as a potential security threat. We have no idea what Meghan and Harry chose to do about it after this.

Early 2019 was the time when HAM had ceased cooperation with KP and had hired/were in the process of hiring their own team. Only HAM know who they chose to involve in this matter and whether staff members are subject to NDAs.

I was very relieved, when going to Waterstone's this weekend, to find the pile of 'Swan Song' (which hadn't been shifting at all from what I could tell on my frequent visits) had been relegated from a table just inside the door to the normal shelves

I suspect that their current main drive of reconciliation with the RF has ensured that she doesn’t reference the RF at all. She won’t throw them under the bus until the penny drops she’s never getting on the bus ever again. Shes nothing but self serving in every tactical manoeuvre.

BP/KP have not said it is nothing to do with them and that they had no involvement.

She'd already cut him off, though.

The real question for me is why didn't Meghan confront her father and ask him if there is any basis for this claim. Instead, she simply cut him off, just like that, on the basis of an unsubstantiated claim by his angry ex-wife.

I think that she had already cut him off hadn't she?

Summer 2018 when she asked him to stop going to the press?

Isn't her social worker mother also a mandated reporter?

She doesn't seem to need an excuse to cut people off. Perhaps she thought that as this is her DF a valid and unanswerable excuse needed to be cooked up rather than just cutting contact.

What would this mean for Harry and Meghan if Harry hadn’t been told about the letter. Not that I think he hasn’t. But what if he hadn’t?

There’s some confusion as to whether she is a qualified social worker or someone did a social work course.

Isn't that also the time when she initially said she received the letter? Before having to grudgingly admit that she got the 'dates' wrong?

Almost as if she was leaping on a chance to 'vindicate' her going no contact.

Yes, you are right! Wow. If Meghan didn't tell her mum about the 2019 and 2025 letters, Doria's off the hook. But if M did tell her and Doria never alerted the authorities in the US after TMS moved back to Florida then yes, her mum could be accused of committing a criminal offence in not reporting.

I thought Doria was a yoga teacher??

@Starryfifty that as well.

A lovely image! It'll be pulped fiction fairly soon. it doesn't seem to be flying off the shelves anywhere.

Her Wiki entry says social worker.

I think she was involved in 'elder care', as it's called in the US? I don't think she was a SW in the gritty sense that it has in the UK.

Happy to be corrected!

There was a post a few days ago that said she wasn’t a qualified social worker as she hadn’t done all of the elements for registration.

There have been several differing accounts of Doria's credentialing, so I am unsure if she was actually a mandated reporter.

But if Doria was a licensed social worker at the time these allegations emerged she would have been a mandated reporter.

I've had to jump a few pages of squabbling so apologies if I've missed anything important.
My current theories, all alleged, of course, zero evidence:

• MM and TMJ (+The Sun?) make very serious claims publicly but "tamper" (create?) any possible "evidence" (creations?) so no one will ever know whether TMS was a paedophile, whether TMJ was a paedophile or if the whole thing was invented for publicity.
• MM may have known in advance but equally may have invented the detail in letters to back up the "big reveal". Edited to add: if MM invented it, I think it would have been to explain away the NC with her father.
• Harry may have known the content of letters but may not (personally I think MM prob has lots of secrets from him). He could be seriously questioning things now or he could be finding an escape (I'd definitely be on the booze myself).
• MM may have decided a divorce was necessary but realised there would be no big payout and any payout linked to an NDA, so may have colluded with her beloved brother to make money in this way instead.

Have I missed anything?
This is for those of us who are finding it hard to believe a word of it.
(And huge sympathies to victims of CSA who must be reeling from all this being played out so salaciously in the tabloids and broadsheets).

I don't think she ever worked as a social worker. It's all very vague, surprisingly

Almost as if she was leaping on a chance to 'vindicate' her going no contact.

Tbh it reads that way to me also.

I think the way he was running to the press he was already losing credibility & no one would have blamed her for distancing.

For me the problem with the 2018/19 letter is that at the time it would most likely have been viewed as potentially just someone trying to smear Meghan’s father to put Meghan in the middle of a scandal.

Think about that time. The amount of publicity and online gossip and speculation was huge. We know there were some serious death threats from right wing crazies. The Markles were relentless from the wedding on with talking to the press - Samanther and Markle senior the worst.

In the midst of all that one hand written letter alleging CSA by Meghan’s father ends up with the MET.

Any investigation by UK police would have been focused on the threat posed by the letter writer not Meghan’s father.

At best they could have forwarded the letter to American authorities. Maybe someone did investigate that possibility but Markle senior was living abroad and the claims were decades old - they would also have considered why the person claiming to know about these crimes hadn’t simply reported to the local police.

I suspect any MET investigation would have been into the credibility of the letter writer and any reputational threat that posed to the Duchess of Sussex. As nothing ever came out in public no further investigation needed would have been the conclusion.

Wow, the Sun's a bit of a comedown from OW!