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Ham pr disasters 53! …..how low will they go? …we all hope not that low!

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jeffgoldblum · 20/10/2026 15:38

Well we have had the attempted upstaging of the Welsh senate …..now the Oman state visit….we all hope that whatever advisors that they still have will not allow any thing to interfere with Aberfan! 🤞

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Mondommountain · 21/10/2026 13:47

I can’t link to this, so copying, it’s a Dan Wakeford substack and he is very sympathetic to the Sussexes generally, not so much in this one.

Grief Encounter

Harry sat down with GQ’s Zach Baron in New York last month, during UN week, to promote his new MasterClass on grief. Much of it is genuinely moving. He admits he answered every “How are you?” with “I’m fine” for twenty years, and couldn’t cry for most of that time. He still regrets rushing off his last phone call with his mother so he could go and play with his cousins. (Anyone who has ever hung up on a parent a little too quickly will feel that one in the stomach.) Then Baron asked about his complicated relationship with his brother and his father. Harry said of course he grieves it, that reconciling matters most, and then: “Some people don’t want it to work out. I want it to work out.”
Royal watchers heard a swipe at William. A spokesman for the Duke of Sussex tells me: “It was absolutely not intended as a swipe at his brother or any other member of his family. The comment was made in a general context and was not directed at his family in any way.” To be fair to Harry, the sentences just before it are about the public watching his family and wondering how they’ll fix things. He may well have meant the onlookers, many who in my social media comments certainly don’t want a reunion between the brothers. But when the question is about your brother, nobody hears broadly and a denial turns a one-day line into a two-day story.

A Royal Gap Year?

The timing makes it starker. Last week, Harry and Meghan carried out their first joint engagement since moving back, a step that has been seen as a sign of their determination to be seen as public figures, despite the King’s letter last month describing their position as akin to that of private citizens. So just as Harry steps forward, William steps further back.

Split Screen at Windsor

Then came yesterday’s split screen. Harry’s interview went live just as the Sultan of Oman’s state visit was getting underway, months of planning, carriages and pageantry suddenly sharing the headlines with GQ. Hours later, the King hosted 160 guests at a state banquet at Windsor. Speaking partly in Arabic, Charles praised William and the Sultan’s son, joint patrons of an Omani expedition, saying there can be “few happier symbols of success” than a relationship passed from one generation to the next. William and Kate were at the heart of it. Harry, no longer a working royal, of course was not.
William’s circle has a theory, and it isn’t kind. People close to him tell me they believe Harry won’t be here long. They think this trip is about money, a few million for a Diana documentary, and once the check clears he’ll be back in California before you can say Montecito.

Spare Us

There’s something darker underneath. Since Spare, I’m told, William doesn’t feel his family is safe around Harry. Private conversations became published chapters. Childhood memories became bestseller material. So the Prince of Wales has chosen the coldest option available... he behaves as if Harry and Meghan don’t exist.

Silent Night

And now the one date everybody had circled has vanished. People reported that the Sussexes will spend Christmas in the US, with a friend saying they know they won’t be invited to Sandringham and aren’t waiting for an invitation. A representative for the couple tells me they will likely spend it with Meghan’s mother, Doria, but wouldn’t say whether that will be in California or the UK. Either way, nobody is expecting a place at Sandringham. Royal watchers had quietly marked the festive season as the moment the brothers might finally end up face to face, if only for a stiff nod across a Sandringham drawing room. (Christmas has a way of forcing these encounters. Ask anyone who has sat opposite an estranged relative over the Brussels sprouts.)
With Sandringham off the table, nothing on the calendar puts them in the same room. No family occasion on the horizon demands both brothers in the same pew. Which leaves us exactly here. Stalemate.
Representatives for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex declined to comment on the other claims in this story. Kensington Palace did not respond to a request for comment.

The Talking Cure

Every interview is selling something. The obvious product here is the MasterClass, which people pay for. The bigger product is Harry himself. Six years ago he was the prince who left. Now he wants to be the man who talks openly about grief and has come home to Britain. A long, thoughtful conversation with a sympathetic host is exactly how you build that. Harry even explains his thinking to GQ: stay quiet and the stories keep coming anyway, so he’d rather tell his own. As a career strategy, it makes sense. As a family strategy, it’s a disaster.
The royals run on scarcity. “Never complain, never explain” has been the family motto for decades: say very little, so every word counts. William’s silence is a media strategy too, the oldest one they have. Harry runs on availability, and every time he’s available, one sentence about his family can swallow everything else he says. The GQ interview is almost entirely about grief. The line people will remember is about his brother.
We’ve seen this before. In May last year, after losing his security case, Harry told the BBC he wanted to reconcile, and said his father wouldn’t speak to him. The plea for peace became another round of the feud. To a brother who fears private conversations turning into published chapters, every new interview looks like more of the same. You can’t reconcile with someone through a magazine.

If I were advising Harry, I’d tell him to talk about the work and leave the family out of it. Let the reconciliation happen somewhere no microphone can reach.

Bigcat25 · 21/10/2026 13:48

Guggy · 21/10/2026 13:33

What was the point or the context of this interview with GQ? Was he banging the drum for IG or another initiative? Or was it just a PR grab to present himself as some big gun thought leader to hire?

Do we assume the Qs (so those around reconciliation) were agreed ahead which would mean that this was PH agenda for the interview and his return to the UK - to reconcile for his own self serving commercial needs - but BP/KP are not taking his calls so he is attempting to make BP/KP hear his demands via a public megaphone but even in this begging effort is unable to contain his spite, blame and contempt.

He just shows himself day in day out with his choice of words, actions and behaviours to be a man with zero integrity or dignity. That NC icy wind from BP/KP is just getting colder and colder by the day. What a clown.

Well said. The interview was to promote his grief masterclass. He's pressuring the RF to reconcile under the guise that they can set an example for the rest of the world, implying they will look bad if they don't.

The other completely delusional topic was that H claiming to do everything he can to promote and help proper journalism. I have seen him do nothing of the sort, and H only speaks to journos who won't hold him to account, with pre arranged questions and topics. The three page NDA that the press must sign to be in their whatsup is another example.

FancyKitten · 21/10/2026 13:51

I can’t see William wanting to reconcile. Not only is there the allegations they made with Oprah / Spare etc… But not being there when KC & Catherine needed them most. William would really have appreciated that support.

Sometimeroyalist · 21/10/2026 13:53

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2026 12:26

Sarah Ferguson received a very modest settlement . Diana received millions as mother of a future Monarch .
Not sure Harry will be able to afford a huge settlement and if KC gets involved ( doubtful) there will conditions attached .

When KC and Diana divorced Charles was recipient of the income from the Duchy of Cornwall ie a very wealthy man (although he had to borrow from the Queen against the future income too) and so Diana’s legal team had grounds to claim a very big settlement. Harry has very little by comparison (I’m of the view that the Netflix etc net earnings are much smaller than reported and largely gone - I know others disagree) so Meghan will be on shakier ground won’t she?

I think one of the problems for H&M is that whether they stay together or divorce, they need cash from Charles/William. Otherwise they’re going to have to find some dodgy oligarchs or billionaires to prop them up - not impossible - but there are also malign funders out there too.

IdaGlossop · 21/10/2026 13:58

King William would be able to support H financially for ever without having znything to do with him. H on the streets would be a bad look for the monarchy.

Chaostheory12 · 21/10/2026 14:00

Sometimeroyalist · 21/10/2026 13:53

When KC and Diana divorced Charles was recipient of the income from the Duchy of Cornwall ie a very wealthy man (although he had to borrow from the Queen against the future income too) and so Diana’s legal team had grounds to claim a very big settlement. Harry has very little by comparison (I’m of the view that the Netflix etc net earnings are much smaller than reported and largely gone - I know others disagree) so Meghan will be on shakier ground won’t she?

I think one of the problems for H&M is that whether they stay together or divorce, they need cash from Charles/William. Otherwise they’re going to have to find some dodgy oligarchs or billionaires to prop them up - not impossible - but there are also malign funders out there too.

Isn't that happening already? Tyson Perry, who we owned that house in Canada and their current gaff. They cadge free planes and free holidays and free places to live. Yet they're millionaires.

diddl · 21/10/2026 14:03

IdaGlossop · 21/10/2026 13:58

King William would be able to support H financially for ever without having znything to do with him. H on the streets would be a bad look for the monarchy.

But he's a 40+ adult with millions behind him.

Why would he ever be on the streets?

Gonners · 21/10/2026 14:04

I think one of the problems for H&M is that whether they stay together or divorce, they need cash from Charles/William. Otherwise they’re going to have to find some dodgy oligarchs or billionaires to prop them up - not impossible - but there are also malign funders out there too.

Or, if I may be controversial, perhaps they could do what the rest of us do - earn their own living and live within their means?

jeffgoldblum · 21/10/2026 14:06

Starryfifty · 21/10/2026 13:44

It's still early Jeff

True! But I’m hopeful ( hopefully I haven’t jinxed it!)

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Starryfifty · 21/10/2026 14:07

Gonners · 21/10/2026 14:04

I think one of the problems for H&M is that whether they stay together or divorce, they need cash from Charles/William. Otherwise they’re going to have to find some dodgy oligarchs or billionaires to prop them up - not impossible - but there are also malign funders out there too.

Or, if I may be controversial, perhaps they could do what the rest of us do - earn their own living and live within their means?

That's the problem. They have absolutely nothing to offer. Only selling the RF down the river.

Lunde · 21/10/2026 14:13

IdaGlossop · 21/10/2026 13:58

King William would be able to support H financially for ever without having znything to do with him. H on the streets would be a bad look for the monarchy.

Harry is a 42 year old multi-millionaire who aspires to the billionaire lifestyle

He'll just have to settle for a millionaire lifestyle instead

MissMoneyFairy · 21/10/2026 14:18

Starryfifty · 21/10/2026 14:07

That's the problem. They have absolutely nothing to offer. Only selling the RF down the river.

I do think he could offer a lot more, the invictus games are successful and children seem to like him, being in a private citizen role maybe he could donate money to causes on the quiet or vist charities like other celebs do but without her and any advance media or photographers.

Starryfifty · 21/10/2026 14:22

MissMoneyFairy · 21/10/2026 14:18

I do think he could offer a lot more, the invictus games are successful and children seem to like him, being in a private citizen role maybe he could donate money to causes on the quiet or vist charities like other celebs do but without her and any advance media or photographers.

I disagree. He's terrible with children. Look at his recent school visits. He and his wife are using Ingriftus as their own personal piggy bank

Lunde · 21/10/2026 14:23

diddl · 21/10/2026 11:55

This is what I'm wondering-if it's money they are after, where are they hoping to get it from?

The Royals have their money pretty well tied up I would think.

Also, as far as I'm aware Zara & Peter both live with Anne now, well on her estate so they're hardly splashing the cash unnecessarily!

I mean Zara and Mike are hardly camping in a cramped cottage - they live in a huge farmhouse, albeit owned by Princess Anne, with a swimming pool, stables, gym and home cinema.

Ham pr disasters 53! …..how low will they go? …we all hope not that low!
Ham pr disasters 53! …..how low will they go? …we all hope not that low!
Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/10/2026 14:29

ooking out my window today I bet Meghan was wishing she was swishing about in bare feet with her baskets of garden goodies

That's one of the few things I wouldn't hold against her, @mysoddenbananabread, but then I've long felt that there's no real benefit for most Americans in building a life here, and the many I've known who came here for work were only too glad to get back

Granted the RF's extreme privilege might soak up some of the impact, but the cultures and expectations are so different that it can be very hard to make it work

BasiliskStare · 21/10/2026 14:30

I think , by the by , the last two days should have knocked any talk of "Rival Courts" out of a cocked hat.

KC &PW represent the nation and the commonwealth by hosting a State dinner and visiting Aberfan.

PH on a prerecorded interview publicising his podcast and M previewing felt jamjars and knitted stockings.

So KC QC P&PoW - Court of St James's
H&M perhaps - Court of St Jude.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 21/10/2026 14:33

H&M perhaps - Court of St Jude.

Very good. 😆Or St Rita - patron saint of desperate causes.

UncleColm · 21/10/2026 14:35

Nono22972 · 21/10/2026 09:06

This is why I can't with Harry.

The man went on national TV, basically said that his family was racist to his unborn child, almost pushed his wife suicide, low-key implied that the media, with the help of the RF briefing the press, caused Meghan's miscarriage.

And has now been talking about reconciliation for years.

I don't know, maybe we're the crazy one or Harry may be suffering from amnesia.

If everything he claimed is true, why would you want your children around these people?
How can he look Meghan in the eyes and tel’ her "too bad you suffered so much but I want my family back"

If he lied (which I believe he did several times), then how do you even fix this mess?

I don't know if many here are on social media but as a royal watchers on pretty much all platforms, we talk a lot about the abuse Meghan goes through on social media, but I don't think people realise the amount of abuse William, Kate and their kids get on social media

William gets accused of being a cheater and an abuser everyday of the week.

Kate gets attacked on her appearance, her weight, her marriage, her family.
Racism accusations everyday. She gets nicknames like KKKate (for those who know what the KKK is). They even had that nickname trend the day of the Queen's funeral.

The Where is Kate saga

The kids get attacked a lot as well

Honestly, I think too much has happened for reconciliation but who knows?

Is this really true? That is awful. I don't really use social media other than Mumsnet and a little bit of FB. Isn't it awful that there is so much hate..

Treylime · 21/10/2026 14:36

Starryfifty · 21/10/2026 14:22

I disagree. He's terrible with children. Look at his recent school visits. He and his wife are using Ingriftus as their own personal piggy bank

He is terrible with children. I hate that fake high five thing he does, quite humiliating for them when he does that. I saw footage of him being introduced to someone (soldier i think) who had a pony and H was doing that horrible teasing thing where he pretended to have food in his hand.

Nono22972 · 21/10/2026 14:36

Sometimeroyalist · 21/10/2026 13:53

When KC and Diana divorced Charles was recipient of the income from the Duchy of Cornwall ie a very wealthy man (although he had to borrow from the Queen against the future income too) and so Diana’s legal team had grounds to claim a very big settlement. Harry has very little by comparison (I’m of the view that the Netflix etc net earnings are much smaller than reported and largely gone - I know others disagree) so Meghan will be on shakier ground won’t she?

I think one of the problems for H&M is that whether they stay together or divorce, they need cash from Charles/William. Otherwise they’re going to have to find some dodgy oligarchs or billionaires to prop them up - not impossible - but there are also malign funders out there too.

I'm sure he made a lot with the book, the Netflix series,... but I read they spend 1 million a year on security

Starryfifty · 21/10/2026 14:38

Treylime · 21/10/2026 14:36

He is terrible with children. I hate that fake high five thing he does, quite humiliating for them when he does that. I saw footage of him being introduced to someone (soldier i think) who had a pony and H was doing that horrible teasing thing where he pretended to have food in his hand.

And one child actually told him to f** off. Speaks volumes

ImaPrinceImaPrincebutmyBrotherWontAdmitIt · 21/10/2026 14:40

NCembarassed · 21/10/2026 12:56

Sad to read that. I know Princess Michael of Kent is often pilloried, but when I met her some years ago she was lovely.

I was at an awards ceremony and she took her time talking to each of us, and gave me some good advice (she was trying to be helpful). Later on, we had a photo op with 2 massive horses behind us (hooves like platters, let alone dinner plates). One became increasingly twitchy, and everyone except PMoK scattered. She stayed put, moved closer to the twitchy one and calmed it right down.

IME she was warm & interested, and I really liked her. When I met Princess Di, she actually wasn't as personable (maybe having a bad day IDK).

ETA twitchy horse was dancing

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She also brought up two very nice children - I don’t know much about Freddie, he stays low key but seems to have a solid, sensible marriage with Sophie Winkleman. Lady Gabriella seems lovely and one can only have sympathy for her sad situation.

We honestly know very little about what Royals and Royal adjacent get up to when off duty but I did see something, must have been an interview somewhere, where Freddy reminisced about the fun they all had as young cousins, chasing around together at family occasions. I think there are quite a few in that generation who are quite close and presumably remain close to William, with their own children getting to join the tribe in their generation.
Harry, A&L forever on the outside looking in.
A great shame for A&L but there it is.

IcedPurple · 21/10/2026 14:45

MissMoneyFairy · 21/10/2026 14:18

I do think he could offer a lot more, the invictus games are successful and children seem to like him, being in a private citizen role maybe he could donate money to causes on the quiet or vist charities like other celebs do but without her and any advance media or photographers.

I'd question just how 'successful' the IG are, but in any case, Harry is just a patron. He isn't even on the Board of Directors and has little if anything to do with the day to day running of the organisation.

maybe he could donate money to causes on the quiet or vist charities like other celebs do but without her and any advance media or photographers.

But what's in it for him if there's no publicity?

Anyone can donate or visit charities on the quiet. But it's not a job. Working royals are subsidised to do that and other duties, but Harry walked away from that. Which is fine, his life and all that. The problem is, 7 years on, he still hasn't figured out what he's going to do with his life instead. And if he hasn't cracked it by now, it's hard to imagine he ever will.

ImaPrinceImaPrincebutmyBrotherWontAdmitIt · 21/10/2026 14:46

Also I do admire the stamina of KC, Camilla and William. Presumably last night was quite a late night, then they must have been at Aberfan before the 9:15 moment of silence?
I know they have helicopters to get there in a timely manner but still - if I’d been at that banquet I’d probably be just about getting myself together around now.
Hope they all have a quiet few days now and W&C enjoy the rest of half term with the children, though Catherine is scheduled to visit the Treehouse Children’s Hospice in Ipswich tomorrow. A cause close to her heart I am sure but still another interruption of the half term holiday.

Bigcat25 · 21/10/2026 14:46

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/10/2026 13:30

Harry said at the time that 400 pages worth hadn't made the final cut, Badvocthebad, and suggested that nobody would ever forgive him if he'd included whatever was in them

Since there (quite rightly) doesn't seem a lot of forgiveness anyway that raises the possibility of him publishing them anyway, but I'm not sure there's any point now as he's so thoroughly discredited

Harry doesn't realize he's discredited though. He would consider those claims baseless.

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