Ham pr disasters 53! …..how low will they go? …we all hope not that low!

[jeffgoldblum]

Well we have had the attempted upstaging of the Welsh senate …..now the Oman state visit….we all hope that whatever advisors that they still have will not allow any thing to interfere with Aberfan! 🤞

Exactly

They went scorched earth and made a name for themselves trashing the CEO, their work colleagues and the company in the press, on TV, social media and print....

Then 6 years later they rock up again and demand their old job back - but they want the corner office, a company car, use of the corporate flat and their pick of work assignments 🙄

Exactly, It’s all another public humiliating chapter for Harry and Meghan, pleading for reentry and proximity to the RF. They seem to have finally recognised, but not yet admitted, the RF was their only ticket to all the things they desired,

Are they only back three months ?

Less than 3 months IIRC - they arrived in late August, so it's only 2 months. The Express is saying that they are considering moving back to the US already, or at least spending protracted periods back there - which makes me even more sorry for those poor children. Just bloody SETTLE to something FGS!

I agree - they definitely look more foolish when living here. When in California they could drop the occasional photo or item looking " busy" . Now we see at first hand the reality. Looking out my window today I bet Meghan was wishing she was swishing about in bare feet with her baskets of garden goodies.

I think he's more than an irritant. In today's papers, H's reconciliation story is the dominant Royal story, not the Omani state visit. It clear HaM are determined to do as much damage as they can. Summoning H to sit before courtiers for a warning (to shut up, which they won't do) then removing the titles is the only way to put a distance between HaM and the royals.

I haven't watched the full interview yet but H should not be commenting on his father's health. It's a private matter and for the king to say something publicly if he wishes.

@Guggy
“From KC3 he might want the basics for his son and grandchildren - to be safe and housed - which might mean use of a UK property and funding private security - if they are truly broke. He did the same for his gross brother.”

Can you honestly see HaM accepting an old fashioned farmhouse stuck out in the country ?

A proper reconciliation can't possible work out from RF perspective without some acknowledgement and evidence fom Harry, that his conduct and that of his wife has demonstrably changed in an acceptable & better way. But it hasn't yet, so he's not going to get very far, Prince or not, with his wordy nonsense.

What he hasn't made clear is if he actually wants a route back in as a working royal and whether his wife is also up for the changes that would be needed .

.Perhaps he and she should try a reconciliation with her father first as that might be easier to achieve..

I would say KC is more angry than sad tbh. Not just for himself but his eldest son who has never put a foot wrong and is tolerating constant nonsense from Harry.

Superbly put, Dontevenlookatme, and the "brittleness" probably comes from some level of realisation that they're no longer fit for either the RF or anything more commercial

Sadly for both this is where their own hubris has brought them, and their way forward will only be seen in time

In PR terms, I think that Camilla and Catherine should both have worn new-to-them tiaras last night, because that would have put a lot more tabloid attention on them and the state visit. I get that they're grey-rocking, but it does seem like a very obvious and easy opportunity missed.

KC3 has a conscience. I think he will arrange property and an allowance for H so he is provided for, and trust funds for A&L. If M chooses to live in the UK with H, that's her decision - or not.

Harry said at the time that 400 pages worth hadn't made the final cut, Badvocthebad, and suggested that nobody would ever forgive him if he'd included whatever was in them

Since there (quite rightly) doesn't seem a lot of forgiveness anyway that raises the possibility of him publishing them anyway, but I'm not sure there's any point now as he's so thoroughly discredited

I think HaMs fan base will be dwindling fast now. They look foolish and a lot of fans are going to be left feeling foolish.

They've spent years emotionally investing and connecting with this narrative around the UK being racist, it being dangerous for Harry's family to even visit, that Harry found his freedom from the oppressive Firm he was trapped in, Meghan reclaiming her 'voice', the fairytale love story that was like no other, the freedom flight, the escape, the SoCal aesthetic, the American dream - all so superior to bitter, dreary, prejudiced Britain. For reasons best known to themselves, it meant something to many HaM fans to think that the royal family were discarded, snubbed, rejected. This was Meghan's triumph and those who identified with her revelled in it.

Harry and Meghan rushing back in this strange, inglorious manner and putting their children in UK school has left many with egg on their face, they will feel like HaM have let them down.

I've written out ridiculously long posts before saying that it is a) more practical and b) more appropriate to remove the Prince title and leave them as non royal Dukes. It wouldn't stop the media attention though.

The RF would be incredibly foolish to reconcile. At the moment the distance means that there can be no allegations about anything since Megxit. Why would they make themselves vulnerable like that?

What was the point or the context of this interview with GQ? Was he banging the drum for IG or another initiative? Or was it just a PR grab to present himself as some big gun thought leader to hire?

Do we assume the Qs (so those around reconciliation) were agreed ahead which would mean that this was PH agenda for the interview and his return to the UK - to reconcile for his own self serving commercial needs - but BP/KP are not taking his calls so he is attempting to make BP/KP hear his demands via a public megaphone but even in this begging effort is unable to contain his spite, blame and contempt.

He just shows himself day in day out with his choice of words, actions and behaviours to be a man with zero integrity or dignity. That NC icy wind from BP/KP is just getting colder and colder by the day. What a clown.

I don’t think H had any say in the timing of the release of this interview which (correct me if I’m wrong) was conducted a few weeks ago.

The DM article has it inserted in their coverage of the Omani State Visit. I hope other papers will be more respectful and current affairs focused.

As things are it’s a distraction.

I used to be of the view that since A and L would be the last Prince and Princess in that line, it made sense to just leave well alone as the problem would solve itself.

Now I think that precisely because the titles are about to die out, why wait? What is the purpose of A and L carrying a title bestowed by the British Monarchy when they will never have a role serving it?

I know people think that might be perceived as petty or vindictive, but it’s up to the King to rise above that criticism. If there’s a good reason to contain the spread of royal titles and keep them within the established court, then whether Joe Public thinks it’s mean is irrelevant.

Cofiwn Aberfan
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60 years
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I agree with this. What is proposed here just accelerates what will happen anyway.

As opposed to the one that was gifted to Diana by the Queen and has only been worn by Catherine since the death of Diana ? I think that one did very nicely.

I’m really grateful and happy that mine and others fears didn’t come to pass! , they didn’t go that low ….i am expecting the unprecedented moment of thought to be shattered tomorrow though!

The RF cannot reconcile. Even if they wanted to (which I doubt).
They would never be able to relax or trust HaM.
As the eldest sibling of 3 and with 2 siblings Ikeep very much at arms length, I do have sympathy for W.
But...when people show you who they really are, you need to pay attention.

Marcus! That was the name I couldn't recall, I'd seen photos of her out 'hiking' with him on her son's birthday!

It's still early Jeff

robert jobson was on JK earlier. He was always very much on the side of grey rocking. However, after that disastrous interview, he's now back tracking. It wasn't dropped accidentally. Harry fully intended it to go out on the day of the state visit. He said action needs to be taken and soon

Yesterday upthread I wrote about the timing of the release of the interview from a PR owrspective. The key point is that it's bread-and-butter stuff for the PR person to talk to publications about release dates. The chance of Liam Maguire not having had that conversation is tiny. Similarly, the PR person would check for any possible news conflicts. My view is that Liam told them about the clash when there was time to agree a different release date and they gave him the green light to agree the clash.