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Royal row between King Charles and Earl Spencer 3

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Viviennemary · 20/09/2026 17:27

A new thread and book not even published till Tuesday. I checked on Amazon and its only 12th on the non fiction bestseller list. Doesn't show Earl Spencer in a very good light imho.

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catmothertes1 · 21/09/2026 10:51

bluegreygreen · 20/09/2026 18:59

It will look less good for Charles S.

We have only had 2 excerpts so far, not the whole book, yet there are multiple people on both mainstream and social media pointing out several contradictions between what he has said now and what he said previously.

Examples that I have seen used are the CNN Larry King interview, and quotations for biographies for Tina Brown, Andrew Morton and Robert Hardman, all of which have said clearly that Charles R had been pleasant to work with over the funeral arrangements.

Beside this, there is the embarrassing historical inaccuracy of the equerry story.

There is also the ill-judged dismissal of William's distress, simply because he was 2 years older, and taller, so appeared to be holding things together better.

I suspect Charles S may regret the flavour of these initial excerpts. I don't know of the rest of the book will be sufficient to pull things back for him.

Does he not realise that,in 2026,everyone has access to instant information and can check facts?

I've learnt more that I ever thought I needed about this man and he doesn't sound like a very pleasant man.

smilesy · 21/09/2026 10:51

passpartot · 21/09/2026 10:41

Off with all their heads I say!

They are all fair game for criticism and comment. I am bemused by the avid supporters. Few care about any positive spin for the Royals now, all people want is the juice, and lots more of it!

Some here are coming across as sinecured members of the Royal PR team!

“Sinecured”? That’s a very unusual word use….

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 10:52

smilesy · 21/09/2026 10:51

“Sinecured”? That’s a very unusual word use….

Quite! I'd like such a sinecure!

Constantrunner · 21/09/2026 10:53

Serenster · 21/09/2026 10:19

No, this is them looking happy.

They are laughing there, not smiling. It is a different facial expression

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 10:54

MrsFinkelstein · 21/09/2026 10:50

Money for CS - that's the only benefit IMO. He's been profiting off of Diana's name and memory since she died.

I can't take his book seriously after his claim.that his father was prevented from marrying Elizabeth Windsor by Earl Mountbatten.

Yes, that was a strange one. Someone on another thread suggested Spencer was jealous of KC because his father Philip had married QE.
All very odd.

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2026 10:57

Minestronemusings · 21/09/2026 10:43

There’s not much point in writing it if he doesn’t include an accurate description of what happened at the time.

And two journalists have already corroborated what CS has said about his conversation with the then Prince Charles.

Speaking generally, I am finding the arrogance of some posts on here quite astonishing, that some posters feel they can make judgements about what a brother is permitted to write about their own dead sister.

And two journalists have already corroborated what CS has said about his conversation with the then Prince Charles.

Can you reference those, please?

So far, I have only seen comments that have confirmed that Charles S had harsh words with Charles R, but not confirmed what was said.

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 10:59

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2026 10:57

And two journalists have already corroborated what CS has said about his conversation with the then Prince Charles.

Can you reference those, please?

So far, I have only seen comments that have confirmed that Charles S had harsh words with Charles R, but not confirmed what was said.

Also, how can two journalists "corroborate" the conversation? Where were they?

smilesy · 21/09/2026 11:04

upinaballoon · 21/09/2026 10:49

But you will not accept that what he actually said was, "They'll forget her soon enough", referring to the swayable crowds.

That makes sense, actually, that Charles W was referring to the baying mob. Particularly if it was to do with funeral arrangements for Diana and trying to appease them. What we don’t have with this alleged comment is any sense of context, which, of course would entirely change the meaning of what was said. This remains me a lot of the Sussexes playing with semantics. Cheap.

ETA I would also say that Charles being “in love with his valet” could also be taken as Diana saying he paid his valet more attention than her. Not as Charles literally being in love with his valet. Context is important but is sadly lacking here

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2026 11:04

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 10:59

Also, how can two journalists "corroborate" the conversation? Where were they?

Quite.

At most, they could say that Charles S told them the exact words just after the conversation, but I haven't seen that.

Richard Kay pointed out that Charles was a journalist and wrote everything down, so will have notes of this conversation.
When asked about it in his interview, Charles made no mention of this.

Times report of the interview here. He doesn't come across as having written this book in the usual manner of a historian.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/2e98ea81-3855-4399-9066-1d8384e2810d?shareToken=3f091e7c6fe0f1ea744a44f253299451

Constantrunner · 21/09/2026 11:06

smilesy · 21/09/2026 11:04

That makes sense, actually, that Charles W was referring to the baying mob. Particularly if it was to do with funeral arrangements for Diana and trying to appease them. What we don’t have with this alleged comment is any sense of context, which, of course would entirely change the meaning of what was said. This remains me a lot of the Sussexes playing with semantics. Cheap.

ETA I would also say that Charles being “in love with his valet” could also be taken as Diana saying he paid his valet more attention than her. Not as Charles literally being in love with his valet. Context is important but is sadly lacking here

Edited

We do have the context.

BemusedAmerican · 21/09/2026 11:07

LetsNotForgetQueenMary · 21/09/2026 07:05

Huge estates and divorces are expensive. As are legal wranglings between your wives when you’re paying the costs of both sides. He has had to sell artwork before to fund repairs to the house. He lost one of his income streams a few years ago when William gained control of Diana’s possessions and put a stop to Charles Spencer letting people have a gawp for money, and hawking them around the USA.

That explains why he seems to have it in for William.

Constantrunner · 21/09/2026 11:07

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2026 10:57

And two journalists have already corroborated what CS has said about his conversation with the then Prince Charles.

Can you reference those, please?

So far, I have only seen comments that have confirmed that Charles S had harsh words with Charles R, but not confirmed what was said.

Charles Spencer told them what the king had said at the time. That is corroboration.

Minestronemusings · 21/09/2026 11:07

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 10:38

Patrick Jephson? I recall him mocking a young Prince William to an interviewer by repeating something W said in the tone of a small boy.
Nasty. I've no idea of the truth of his revelations for money, but he's certainly a nasty man.

Have you got him mixed up with someone else? Can you provide a source or link bc I have done a search for that and nothing comes up. It doesn’t sound like something he would do at all.

Jephson absolutely isn’t a nasty man. He is very measured and decent.

And after he received an unreserved public apology and substantial damages from the BBC in March 2022 for the deceit perpetrated by Martin Bashir who falsely told Diana that Jephson and others were spying on her for the palace, he donated the damages received in full to a Welsh children's hospice in memory of Princess Diana alongside covering his legal costs.

Given how his job ended with Diana and he didn’t discover why until twenty or so years later and his name was wrongly tarnished in the meantime, that was a very generous thing to do as he had every reason to feel bitter.

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 11:09

Minestronemusings · 21/09/2026 11:07

Have you got him mixed up with someone else? Can you provide a source or link bc I have done a search for that and nothing comes up. It doesn’t sound like something he would do at all.

Jephson absolutely isn’t a nasty man. He is very measured and decent.

And after he received an unreserved public apology and substantial damages from the BBC in March 2022 for the deceit perpetrated by Martin Bashir who falsely told Diana that Jephson and others were spying on her for the palace, he donated the damages received in full to a Welsh children's hospice in memory of Princess Diana alongside covering his legal costs.

Given how his job ended with Diana and he didn’t discover why until twenty or so years later and his name was wrongly tarnished in the meantime, that was a very generous thing to do as he had every reason to feel bitter.

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No, I haven't got the link, sorry, but I thought it was an exceptionally unpleasant thing to do. William was a child.

Thedom · 21/09/2026 11:09

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2026 10:57

And two journalists have already corroborated what CS has said about his conversation with the then Prince Charles.

Can you reference those, please?

So far, I have only seen comments that have confirmed that Charles S had harsh words with Charles R, but not confirmed what was said.

Exactly, and the extract doesn’t include any details of the row, maybe the book will provide more context, needs to if Spencer wants to be seen as accurate in his recounting.

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 11:10

BemusedAmerican · 21/09/2026 11:07

That explains why he seems to have it in for William.

Ok, that makes sense.

BemusedAmerican · 21/09/2026 11:11

Minestronemusings · 21/09/2026 08:24

I wanted to answer a point from a previous thread about Charles Spencer waiting 29 years to publish.

First, it’s the one time he is publishing anything about his sister in all that time.

Second, there was a lot of misinformation that has been put out there about Diana in the meantime that he wanted to correct.

Third, people forget that CS was only thirty-three when Diana died and it may be only now that he feels confident to challenge King Charles so personally.

Four, the book is called Swan Song in reference to his sister but also bc both of CS’s parents died aged 68 and he is in his sixties now and he wanted to leave his book as a tribute to his sister, and an accurate historical record, and he has a lot more legitimacy to do that than many.

Fifth, it would have been poor form to challenge KC when he couldn’t answer back, after his death in other words

Sixth, revenge is a dish best served cold so they say and he has played an absolute blinder imho!

No, he waited until his brother-in-law Robert Fellows died to publish. And also to cash in on the thirty year anniversary.

Constantrunner · 21/09/2026 11:13

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 11:09

No, I haven't got the link, sorry, but I thought it was an exceptionally unpleasant thing to do. William was a child.

Sorry I think you are confused and it was someone else.
There is an AI generated video apparently on tiktok you might be referring to?

Minestronemusings · 21/09/2026 11:14

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 11:09

No, I haven't got the link, sorry, but I thought it was an exceptionally unpleasant thing to do. William was a child.

He didn’t do it then? If it exists you should be able to link it through an AI search?

Kirschcherries · 21/09/2026 11:14

Constantrunner · 21/09/2026 00:23

You have misunderstood this. Diana was not a royal so could not be buried there.
Wallis Simpson could be buried there as she was married to Edward who had been king. They were not divorced.
There actually was some discussion as to whether Wallis Simpson was eligible to be buried at frog more. Queen Elizabeth and the duke of Windsor discussed this and Elizabeth agreed to her burial there to avoid any further embarrassment for the monarchy.

Diana as a divorced woman from Charles would not be eligible to be buried there.

Surely it’s the reigning monarch and advisers who decide who is buried at frogmore.

Ukisgaslit · 21/09/2026 11:15

smilesy · 21/09/2026 10:51

“Sinecured”? That’s a very unusual word use….

What is wrong with the word ‘sinecure’

I’d say it’s pretty good description of the royals and their many employees.

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 11:15

Constantrunner · 21/09/2026 11:13

Sorry I think you are confused and it was someone else.
There is an AI generated video apparently on tiktok you might be referring to?

No, it wasn't on tiktok, I don't have that.
It was a documentary on tv about Diana, to which he was a contributor. I will try to find it.

DelectableMe · 21/09/2026 11:16

Ukisgaslit · 21/09/2026 11:15

What is wrong with the word ‘sinecure’

I’d say it’s pretty good description of the royals and their many employees.

So the employees do nothing at all? Sweet deal.

Constantrunner · 21/09/2026 11:16

Kirschcherries · 21/09/2026 11:14

Surely it’s the reigning monarch and advisers who decide who is buried at frogmore.

Yes ultimately. But there are rules for who is buried there. But the monarch can make an exception. She offered to make an exception for Diana. But Charles Spencer did not want that exception made. He wanted the rules to be followed.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 11:16

Ukisgaslit · 21/09/2026 11:15

What is wrong with the word ‘sinecure’

I’d say it’s pretty good description of the royals and their many employees.

You think that of posters on here?