Royal row between King Charles and Earl Spencer 3

[Viviennemary]

A new thread and book not even published till Tuesday. I checked on Amazon and its only 12th on the non fiction bestseller list. Doesn't show Earl Spencer in a very good light imho.

Charles never "whined for years that his mother should abdicate".
Really. Focus on actual things to criticise them for, surely, not gossip, conjecture and hearsay.

@DaisyDooley
What a nonsense point .

They are not my family .
I remembered there was one night involved ! Not bad for someone who avoided the whole thing!

It was the night before the funeral ! Even more inappropriate.

Can you provide a link to show William ‘whining’ about wanting his father to abdicate? Thanks.

No.

I'd be very interested to see a quote from William saying that his father should.

Patrick Jephson, Diana’s private secretary, for eight years, spoke publicly in 2017 about an ongoing campaign to boost the then Duchess of Cornwall’s reputation in the public eye ever since her affair with Prince Charles became public knowledge.

“It’s not the palace…but advisors to Prince Charles, who over many years have crafted a systematic, sustained and expensive campaign to rehabilitate Camilla’s reputation and make her suitable to be the next Queen,” he said.

Jephson want on to say,

“This is linked, of course, to a pretty vile campaign to publicise a bogus psychiatric diagnosis that Princess Diana had a personality disorder.”

“This may have cost the Prince a lot of money, paying for PR spin doctors”

“I think it also raises ethical question marks over the methods they (Prince Charles’ PR representatives) have used.”

There is an interview with him and Camilla Tominey I think on You Tube talking about this and he gives a very credible account of his days working with Diana and how he became aware of briefings against her.

I don’t know how CS has corrected this until I have received my copy but he said in one of his interviews broadcast last night that that was one of his motivations for writing Swan Song.

As if either of them would publicly say anything so foolish.
I just get a bit sick of silly gossip when there's actually stuff you can criticise them for. It's all barrel scraping.

Between the death of my mother and her funeral I went out for lunch with my old school friend. I might have smiled. Should I have been put in prison for this?

Patrick Jephson? I recall him mocking a young Prince William to an interviewer by repeating something W said in the tone of a small boy.
Nasty. I've no idea of the truth of his revelations for money, but he's certainly a nasty man.

People having to look “sombre”, to use the UK spelling, in photos before, after or during the funeral is a very old fashioned point of view and more suggestive of performative grief imo. Maybe the photographer mad them laugh and they thought it was a nice photo so they used it? Who knows? But I don’t think they all had to look sombre. Like I said, we have loved on from the 19th century. And people often only looked sombre then because they couldn’t move for ages while the phot was taken 🤪

Here’s Queen Elizabeth II on her very first public engagement after her father’s death. Oh look - she’s smiling! I suppose that’s similarly inappropriate.

Were you grinning in an official photo ?

Off with all their heads I say!

They are all fair game for criticism and comment. I am bemused by the avid supporters. Few care about any positive spin for the Royals now, all people want is the juice, and lots more of it!

Some here are coming across as sinecured members of the Royal PR team!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/209592.stm

This was when Charles was fifty

The point was though that no doubt Charles was running things behind the scenes for years before Elizabeth’s death.
She clearly was not capable of much day to day running
We should have been informed of this .

I am not very perturbed as to whether or not Prince Charles really did say, "We'll forget her soon enough." or whether Boris Johnson really said something like, "Well, let the bodies lie in the streets, then." because they were both under considerable stress at the time, and I've no idea what they'd been hearing or saying in the 30 minutes before the alleged words.

There’s not much point in writing it if he doesn’t include an accurate description of what happened at the time.

And two journalists have already corroborated what CS has said about his conversation with the then Prince Charles.

Speaking generally, I am finding the arrogance of some posts on here quite astonishing, that some posters feel they can make judgements about what a brother is permitted to write about their own dead sister.

So that's contradicting what you said? Charles is calling such claims "ludicrous".
Of course he stepped up and took on more work as QE aged.
At no point does this support the claim that C was whining for years to get her to abdicate.

Man, some of the best laughs I have had, have been at the wakes of our elderly relatives.

@upinaballoon
It was a shocking remark and will haunt them forever .

What a disregard for the value of a human life
nevermind the mother of his children

Well of course the palace made yet another ‘unprecedented’ denial !

Criticism and comment? Absolutely, bring it on.
Fake gossip and unsubstantiated rumours? Self defeating.

So, there's no evidence for your claim.

But you will not accept that what he actually said was, "They'll forget her soon enough", referring to the swayable crowds.

@DelectableMe
Did you read the link ?
LWT had a documentary ready to go .

Money for CS - that's the only benefit IMO. He's been profiting off of Diana's name and memory since she died.

I can't take his book seriously after his claim.that his father was prevented from marrying Elizabeth Windsor by Earl Mountbatten.